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Is vegetarianism unnatural?

Is vegetarianism unnatural?

  • No

    Votes: 5 10.6%

  • Yes

    Votes: 30 63.8%

  • Nature has no intentions

    Votes: 9 19.1%

  • I don't kow

    Votes: 1 2.1%

  • Other

    Votes: 2 4.3%
  • Total voters
    47
Amadeus said:
So is it your contention that every animal with teeth is geared towards eating meat?

By the way, you do not have canine teeth, unless you're a genetic freak or a talking dog.
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You really shouldn't make it so obvious that you don't know what you're talking about.
 
You chew with your eye teeth? I'd like to see that anomaly of mastication.
 
Cephus said:
Then you ought to be able to produce a list of vegetarians who lived to 100 years old. We'll wait.
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I should have limited my quote. I know of no such list where they list someone's age at death and their diet. I was referring to clown boy's insinuation that the protein couldn't have been complete.

EDIT: Apparently he was responding to the "healthier" part, so my response was mistaken.
 
I've no idea why we should care whether vegetarianism is natural or not. And I've no idea what 'natural' means in this context. Is anyone here making the equation, natural = good/desirable and not natural = bad/undesirable? Or are we perhaps meant to be hearing a dog-whistle of approval and positive judgement in the use of the word 'natural'?

Does anyone here think this is something that it's important to take a stand on?
 
Vegetarianism is less unnatural than eating meat at every meal, or even daily.
 
Amadeus said:
Since he was talking about CHEWING, I thought he meant canine teeth in that sense.
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That's not what you said. You said:

Amadeus said:
By the way, you do not have canine teeth, unless you're a genetic freak or a talking dog.
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You are wrong. At least man up and admit it.
 
OscarB63 said:
and? you can eat your own **** twice before it loses all nutritional value and you can drink your own piss once before it becomes toxic.
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I don't see your point? Are you saying that other people can't enjoy different foods. Are you just trying to insult me for the fun of it?
 
Gathomas88 said:
Eye teeth, we have them for a reason. Strict vegetarianism is wholly unnatural.
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The appendix - we have it for a reason, but we don't have to eat grass just because it's there. Reason ≠ need.
 
afr0byte said:
I don't see your point? Are you saying that other people can't enjoy different foods. Are you just trying to insult me for the fun of it?
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just pointing out some facts.

and BTW, what about my post makes you think I was trying to insult you?
 
Cephus said:
You are wrong. At least man up and admit it.
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Already answered. The 'canines' humans possess are pathetic and are not for chewing. Context.
 
Andalublue said:
The appendix - we have it for a reason, but we don't have to eat grass just because it's there. Reason ≠ need.
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You couldn't eat grass even if you wanted to. The appendix is for all intents and purposes a useless relic.

This is not the case with meat. We know that a certain degree of carnivorism is necessary to sustain a healthy lifestyle.
 
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OscarB63 said:
just pointing out some facts.

and BTW, what about my post makes you think I was trying to insult you?
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Well, you equated eating a vegetarian or vegan diet to eating ones own ****. Granted, you didn't know that I'm a vegan. I don't see how your facts matter, though.
 
afr0byte said:
The ADA (American Dietetic Association) would disagree with you.
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They can't show any evidence of people living longer under a strictly vegetarian diet either. AND they cannot change basic human physiology. Our bodies only accept certain and specific protein chains. These are perfectly delivered in meat and animal products. They are imperfectly supplied by a couple carefully balanced and combined vegetable products.
 
afr0byte said:
There's also low carb options like nuts, seeds, tofu, soy milk, seitan (wheat gluten), if you're actually that concerned. Or, heck, one can buy pea protein powder or whey protein powder (if they're a lacto-vegetarian) if they're that concerned about carbs. Many doctors recommend our diet be ~70% carbs anyways. Obviously one should eat whole grains, as the fiber limits sugar spikes that you're probably worried about, since you mention carbs. The title of this thread is vegetarian. Most vegetarians eat eggs. Eggs are actually just about the gold standard for protein quality. They're better than meat, since they don't have all of the saturated fat that many meats do.
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It's not me who's worried about it in regards to vegetarianism, but I appreciate the additional info. :)

I'm just very conscious of carbs for my own health, I just pay attention to what is in my foods nutrition-wise. I don't feel a veg diet provides all that a body needs to function at peak proformance.
 
afr0byte said:
Well, you equated eating a vegetarian or vegan diet to eating ones own ****. Granted, you didn't know that I'm a vegan. I don't see how your facts matter, though.
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I did no such thing.
 
Amadeus said:
Already answered. The 'canines' humans possess are pathetic and are not for chewing. Context.
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Actually, the fact that our teeth are smaller only means that they are better adapted to eating meat. Human teeth are tiny in comparison to most of the Great Apes, but we tend to consume far, far more meat on average than any of these species.

The difference lies in the fact that most apes are strict vegetarians, and so need larger teeth to be able to break down the tough and stringy plant material which makes up their diet. By comarison, our own teeth and smaller and sharper because we are omnivores and require teeth which are better able to slice through flesh.
 
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Amadeus said:
So is it your contention that every animal with teeth is geared towards eating meat?
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Ripping and tearing teeth, yes. Ruminent teeth, no.

Amadeus said:
By the way, you do not have canine teeth, unless you're a genetic freak or a talking dog.
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That's funny, if you were born without them YOU would be the genetic freak.

In humans the upper canine teeth (popularly called eye teeth, from their position under the eyes[2]) are larger and longer than the lower, and usually present a distinct basal ridge. Eruption typically occurs between the ages of 11 and 12.
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Source


Another problem with vegetarians - it requires a vast amount of [correct] knowledge just to eat right. You obviously don't have that knowledge.
 
GottaGo said:
It's not me who's worried about it in regards to vegetarianism, but I appreciate the additional info. :)

I'm just very conscious of carbs for my own health, I just pay attention to what is in my foods nutrition-wise. I don't feel a veg diet provides all that a body needs to function at peak proformance.
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Do you have some sort of source for this? It may be a bit more planning, but these people seem to be in pretty good shape: Vegan Bodybuilding & Fitness
 
Gathomas88 said:
Actually, the fact that our teeth are smaller only means that they are better adapted to eating meat. Human teeth are tiny compared to most of the Great Apes, but we tend to consume far, far more meat on average than any of these species.

The difference lies in the fact that most apes are strict vegetarians, and so need larger teeth to be able to break down the tough and stringy plant material which makes up their diet. By comarison, our own teeth and smaller and sharper because we are omnivores and require teeth which are better able to slice through flesh.
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That paints quite a picture. :mrgreen:

IMO, the human 'canines' aren't so much for actually removing the flesh from the source because of their length, but tearing it as it is masticated to help break it down.
 
You can make that argument, but the fact remains that we don't have canines in the sense that dogs or other carnivores do. We chew with blunt teeth, which are actually more suited for legumes and vegetables. We can eat meat, sure, but we do not have a set of chompers like this:

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clownboy said:
...AND they cannot change basic human physiology. Our bodies only accept certain and specific protein chains. These are perfectly delivered in meat and animal products. They are imperfectly supplied by a couple carefully balanced and combined vegetable products.
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Do have some source evidence for this? What's imperfect about the proteins that's not made up for by paired proteins? Generally vegetarian protein sources are either deficient in lysine or methione. That's why vegetarians or vegans are encouraged to eat paired proteins or from varied sources. What's special about the meat protein?
 
afr0byte said:
Do you have some sort of source for this? It may be a bit more planning, but these people seem to be in pretty good shape: Vegan Bodybuilding & Fitness
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Since my opinion is based on my health needs, a lower carb source of protein such as meat at 5g is better than rice and beans at 46g for me. I do eat a fair amount of nuts, but they also carry a carb load, with certain fats that can accumulate quickly if they are consumed in any bulk.
 
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