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If I were God - philosophical rant

Logicman said:
You can't have free will and not allow someone to commit evil. Otherwise you'd just be programmed robots who could only do good.
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You miss the point, since its upto a god to create evil or not the decision never lies with those created.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
You miss the point, since its upto a god to create evil or not the decision never lies with those created.
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If they can't do evil then there's no free will, and you're left with programmed robots who can only do good.
 
Steelplate said:
Really? Then why are the vast majority of Americans Christian, the vast majority of people in the Middle East Muslim and the vast majority of the far East members of the various faiths predominant in their areas(Hinduism, Buddhism, Taoism, etc)?
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Faith is not the same thing as religion.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
You have already abused your power, and every person in your vicinity (and a couple dogs as well)

Vote for me I will kill god if elected as god.
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The o'l God suicide trick eh? :lol:
 
humbolt said:
Faith is not the same thing as religion.
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Yes...I know. But my faith is basically rooted in the Christian doctrine that I was brought up in. I'd imagine that people of other faiths would say the same.
 
Logicman said:
If they can't do evil then there's no free will, and you're left with programmed robots who can only do good.
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So since there is no evil in heaven am I to believe that there are only robots in heaven? And if the same is true for hell then there are only robots there as well.

Either way being a robot sounds like something that isnt desired.
 
Steelplate said:
Yes...I know. But my faith is basically rooted in the Christian doctrine that I was brought up in. I'd imagine that people of other faiths would say the same.
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The point, I believe, is that faith is really a relationship with God which can only be personal, whereas religion is an exercise in orthodoxy as espoused by this religion or that one. The path any religion offers to guide us to God isn't the same as the hopefully resulting communication. A religion may encourage prayer, but the content of a prayer and any answer necessarily remain between the supplicant and God. On a thread like this, it's really not a big deal I think.
 
Rainman05 said:
If I were God, I would not let any evil happen in the world. I would destroy it and have only good things in the world. Everybody would be living in Paradise.

If I were God, I would have saved that child from suffering or from dying or from a car crash.

If I were God, I would have cured that child.

If I were God, I would have never let malaria and HIV and whatever exist.

If I were God, I wouldn't let people starve.

If I were God, I would have made religious texts a bit more clear and stopped terrorists and evil people from abusing religion for power.

If I were God, I would have <insert whatever holier than thou stupid sh*t you would have done if you were an omnipotent being>


You may have recognized something like that. It's the most common form of expression of atheists worldwide, anti-religious zealots or anyone really who wants to show that he has a moral conscience... or that he is deep or something really. I find that to be the stupidest form of putting a problem about religion, any religion really. And it is used by idiots like Dawkins to put the religious people in their corner. Why does God allow this or that to happen? That's a sign that he doesn't exist and all he does is cower behind a verse saying that "God works in mysterious ways".

Ok. Lets get a few things straight. You, as a human being, are and despite your best efforts, will always be, a pathetic, weak, stupid creature that is destined to wander on this world as long as he isn't the subject of a horrific disease or an accident, to waddle about... and some of us, humans, will end up somewhere. most of us... won't. Most of us are the walking, talking nobodys'. Granted, today, more of us nobody's talk to other nobody's and sometimes to some somebody's than ever before, but that doesn't change anything. We're a bunch of powerless critters. And no matter how much power we get from our fellow men through artificial means, we are still powerless critters. Why? Because powerless critters have very little to no power to give in the first place. We empower politicians and leaders and bankers and movie stars to shape opinions and make laws and dictate interest rates... over us.

Sometimes, just sometimes, we manage to pull one out of our collective asses and actually do something worthwhile in the world that makes life significantly better and even make a significant mark in the world. But we didn't do nothing really. I mean, compared to the vastness of the universe and all there is out there, we're just doing the equivalent of a circle jerk to one another. We don't know what real power is. We just give it different interpretations. To declare war... to know how to build a spaceship... to know something... or be able to dictate something. Sometimes, we build machines for the purpose of defying natural law, and that's ok. We should do that. That's really important to us so that we can circle jerk some more.

But compare that to being OMNIPOTENT. Compare that to being able to do whatever you want to do. Think of the wildest thing you can. Create a new sun. Ah... abolish gravity. Bring back the dead and not in the Walking Dead sort of thing. Hell, reshape planets. Reshape everything. I can't even think of sufficient things that omnipotence can bring. And you, as a pathetic human being with no real power have the audacity to say: if I were God, I would do that... or that...

I mean really. How far is your head up your ass? First off, you can't even think differently than a human being. You don't even know another plane of reasoning. We don't understand Genius people, people whose brains are wired so amazingly that they can think things we don't... and yet you think you have the right to demand that if you were more than that... more than we have ever experienced, you would cure AIDS. That would be your accomplishment. Go piss on yourself you bloody asshole. Your wish should be: If I had a bit more willpower to get off my lazy ass and go jogging...
If I had a bit more intelligence to be able to learn things faster and get a better job...
If I had a bit more charm to actually be interesting to other people.
If I had a bit more musical talent so I could sign a nice song instead of paining people.
If I had <anything that is actually achievable if you put your mind to it and want it>

Not, If I were God. Don't you think you're overstepping your boundaries a bit? You don't know what omnipotence or power is. You don't know how such a being would think. We haven't even met a different bloody intelligent species from another planet. We don't know jack except our circlejerk ignorance and most of us, don't even know everything about our own human condition, and yet, we think we should be more than just human.

I submit to you, I am no better, but at least I don't try to check-mate people with absurdities.
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If I were God, I would teach my children how to become like me. I would teach them that life here on earth is a mere blip on the screen compared to eternity. I would teach them that they have to taste the bitter in order to savor the sweet. I would teach them that they have to make decisions here on earth in order to find out where they want to spend the rest of eternity.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
So since there is no evil in heaven am I to believe that there are only robots in heaven? And if the same is true for hell then there are only robots there as well.

Either way being a robot sounds like something that isnt desired.
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Count me out of the robot eternity. I'll take my chances.
 
TheGirlNextDoor said:
Count me out of the robot eternity. I'll take my chances.
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Did you ever think that when you cross over to the other side that you will have insight to ideas and truths that are hidden from you now?
 
If I was God I would change my name to "Damn" so no one could take my name in vain. I would make the rich and poor change places every day just for laughs. I would put two or three other moons nearer by and move Saturn much close so we could sit out at night and watch the rings. The Sun would change colors every hour and it would not hurt to stare at it. I would make all animals capable of shooting back! That would make for cool TV. Little girls would know they rule they world much like today but I would give them all baseball bats just in case. There would be no pollution because now days I can't see half the stuff that goes on in the world for the smog. I would invent about five more human races so folks would tire more quickly arguing who is better. Puppies would not age and ice cream would be good for you. Do I get your vote?
 
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