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Easter Silly

In the big picture, knowing a little something about Cesar Chavez is more valuable than knowing a lot about Easter. Since Google is an information device, it makes sense that they would chose a real historical hero over the myth in their doodle. But, of course, the Christians had a cow about it on their side of the blogosphere. Which, to a thinking man, only raises more eyebrows.

The more I think about it, the more I think the whole Easter thing is totally stupid. Celebrate spring and fertility already. But, drop the homoerotic BS of that dude in a diaper hanging from a cross. It's morbid and disgusting.

It's also embarrassing to live in a country where almost half the people think that the resurrection is real. My god, here we are in the 21st century and people cling to myths from year freaking 35. How crazy is that?

It's just silly.

Silly? Well, guess we won't know till we die now will we? If its silly, you and I have nothing to worry about. If it is not silly (Christ), then you have something to worry about and I don't. I have the better deal either way.:mrgreen:
 
It's an interesting trick, knowing what someone will do even though they have free will. So, God came down, knowing they would kill him, he then did everything in his power to ensure that this would happen, running around all over the region pissing off the established order, doing all that to somehow "save us"? What were we saved from? Him, IIRC. The new rule becomes: "Believe in the Jesus man and I won't damn you to hell".

Want me to guess what you will do next? When you are dealing with people like he was dealing with do you honestly think it's very hard to know what will happen next, really?
 
He could have just flooded them...again. Oh, that's right, he said he would not repeat that particular deed. What's a God to do?

That wouldn't reform the way people worshipped. It would have just killed them. Clearly that wasn't His objective.
 
That wouldn't reform the way people worshipped. It would have just killed them. Clearly that wasn't His objective.

What was his objective? Was it to have half his followers await his return?

Christians

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Silly? Well, guess we won't know till we die now will we? If its silly, you and I have nothing to worry about. If it is not silly (Christ), then you have something to worry about and I don't. I have the better deal either way.:mrgreen:

Ah...the "just in case" belief system. Better safe than sorry. Kind of like bringing an umbrella to work even though the sun is shining.
 
What was his objective? Was it to have half his followers await his return?

Christians

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I don't pretend to know the mind of God. It would be impossible as He is infinite and I am not.

He seems to have had a few things to say about how the Pharisees decreed He be worshipped. That's all over what Jesus is believed to have said.
 
The more I think about it, the more I think the whole Easter thing is totally stupid. Celebrate spring and fertility already. But, drop the homoerotic BS of that dude in a diaper hanging from a cross. It's morbid and disgusting.

It's also embarrassing to live in a country where almost half the people think that the resurrection is real. My god, here we are in the 21st century and people cling to myths from year freaking 35. How crazy is that?

It's just silly.

So, Paganism is preferable to Christianity, in your opinion. As far as I know, there is no law against being a Pagan, so have your celebration the way you wish, and leave others to celebrate their own way. I can't imagine being so callous to the beliefs of others, that I would ridicule them and believe myself to be superior, when we are all the products of our upbringing and environment.
 
Ah...the "just in case" belief system. Better safe than sorry. Kind of like bringing an umbrella to work even though the sun is shining.

noticed you didn't denigh what I said was correct.
what I wrote had nothing to do with the "better safe and sorry". mearly pointed out the possible endings.
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In the big picture, knowing a little something about Cesar Chavez is more valuable than knowing a lot about Easter. Since Google is an information device, it makes sense that they would chose a real historical hero over the myth in their doodle. But, of course, the Christians had a cow about it on their side of the blogosphere. Which, to a thinking man, only raises more eyebrows.

The more I think about it, the more I think the whole Easter thing is totally stupid. Celebrate spring and fertility already. But, drop the homoerotic BS of that dude in a diaper hanging from a cross. It's morbid and disgusting.

It's also embarrassing to live in a country where almost half the people think that the resurrection is real. My god, here we are in the 21st century and people cling to myths from year freaking 35. How crazy is that?

It's just silly.

Sounds to me that if you were more secure in your own beliefs you wouldn't need to goad others in to trying to explain Christianity to you. I'm sure there are plenty of people who would be willing to discuss religion with you if that is what you want. Why the hostility? Do you feel left out?
 
What was his objective? Was it to have half his followers await his return?

Christians

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Maybe to establish a moral understanding towards your fellow man? I'm not religious as I find the bible debunks itself by simply reading it cover to cover, but I do happen to find value in having a foundation to build on moral understanding for society. The fact is that most peoples character is not what you would find desirable without being taught to at least understand how to restrain their own nature from harming those around them.
 
Because there are no hover crafts, damn it!

It's not that we lack the technology to produce them, it's that the general population lacks the concentration and discipline to pilot them. Imagine the OP blaming the craft's software for a crash when he was tweeting about his intellectual superiority instead of flying the damn car. We have to protect the idiots from themselves.
 
Ya know, it's funny. People in this thread who believe in God contradict the hateful bigotry you keep spewing and instead of acknowledging them you just double down.

That's the nature of arrogant egotism. I know, I was an atheist for 20 years and I felt all intellectually superior and stuff too. Turned out I was wrong too.
 
That's the nature of arrogant egotism. I know, I was an atheist for 20 years and I felt all intellectually superior and stuff too. Turned out I was wrong too.

I'm an apathetic quasi-atheist. I don't really believe, but I could be wrong, but I don't really think it matters 'cause I'm pretty sure I've lived close enough to hell that I'm not particularly scared of the idea of ending up there because I didn't follow some rules written by a bunch of guys on a power trip who may or may not have had an intimate connection to a deity.

And I'm totally cool with somebody disagreeing with me.
 
Not post #9. He thinks I need psychiatric help. Only in crazyland would someone who does not believe in a myth be asked to seek medical help. No?

Really? Because that is exactly what MMGW alarmists push. Tell you what, you get those people to go practice their religion quietly and I'll do the same.
 
It's an interesting trick, knowing what someone will do even though they have free will. So, God came down, knowing they would kill him, he then did everything in his power to ensure that this would happen, running around all over the region pissing off the established order, doing all that to somehow "save us"? What were we saved from? Him, IIRC. The new rule becomes: "Believe in the Jesus man and I won't damn you to hell".

That's pretty close. He knew they wouldn't like His message of peace and love. He knew they'd try to kill Him and that only He had the real power of death. But in order for others to enter heaven He'd have to cancel His own law by paying the price. We're all imperfect and in need of God's love and grace or we'd be perfect without His help and He didn't make us that way yet.

Besides growing and maturing into a unique individual requires free will and the ability to learn from errors and mistakes (or sin as they used to call it).
 
That's pretty close. He knew they wouldn't like His message of peace and love. He knew they'd try to kill Him and that only He had the real power of death. But in order for others to enter heaven He'd have to cancel His own law by paying the price. We're all imperfect and in need of God's love and grace or we'd be perfect without His help and He didn't make us that way yet.

Besides growing and maturing into a unique individual requires free will and the ability to learn from errors and mistakes (or sin as they used to call it).

As a philosophy, there are many things I like about the Jesus story. The example of mob violence is my favorite lesson.
 
Really? Because that is exactly what MMGW alarmists push. Tell you what, you get those people to go practice their religion quietly and I'll do the same.

MMGW is not exactly a religion? In fact, it's not even close. However, a handful of the myriad of solutions presented come close. The fact that the planet is warming is indisputable fact; answers on what to do about it is myth.
 
As a philosophy, there are many things I like about the Jesus story. The example of mob violence is my favorite lesson.

People shouldn't do that but it gives them a feeling of empowerment, < guilty. He shamed Mary Magdalene's accusers with the "who's perfect throw the first stone". Nobody knows how much of the bible is even true.
 
People shouldn't do that but it gives them a feeling of empowerment, < guilty. He shamed Mary Magdalene's accusers with the "who's perfect throw the first stone". Nobody knows how much of the bible is even true.
THe crowd cheering crucify him, if true or not, is some powerful stuff. I can imagine a lynching in the South during the early part of the 20th century being no different.
 
MMGW is not exactly a religion? In fact, it's not even close. However, a handful of the myriad of solutions presented come close. The fact that the planet is warming is indisputable fact; answers on what to do about it is myth.

Really? Just heard on the radio this morning that scientists were baffled by the lack of surface temperature fluctuation over the past 20 years despite climbing greenhouse gas numbers.

MMGW is as much a religion as any other belief system. It disregards any evidence that does not support the base theory and makes broad if/ then leaps in the absence of real evidence. Those of us who believe Jesus was the son of God have a cross, GW zealots have a hockey stick. The difference comes in tolerance. I don't care a bit if you don't believe what I do, yet GW believers insist I must tithe to their God or the world will end in fiery destruction. Sound familiar?
 
I'm an apathetic quasi-atheist. I don't really believe, but I could be wrong, but I don't really think it matters 'cause I'm pretty sure I've lived close enough to hell that I'm not particularly scared of the idea of ending up there because I didn't follow some rules written by a bunch of guys on a power trip who may or may not have had an intimate connection to a deity.

And I'm totally cool with somebody disagreeing with me.

Except of the 40 some authors of the Bible (there are 66 books in the Bible, not 1) none of them were even aware that their works would be assembled into a single volume. Paul, who was the single biggest contributor to the Bible was not writing a history of Christianity. In fact at the time there was no Christianity. And even of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John only one of them knew Jesus personally. It's not like they all got together to write a collection that would eventually become the basis of a religion. They lived at different times and in different places and for the most part were not even aware of each other.

See, I like having discussions like this with people like you. I don't have all the answers either and can admit that. We can discuss these things and share perspective. I still have a problem with the concepts of virgin birth and rising from the dead. But in the end that doesn't change my personal relationships. Were Adam and Eve two individuals, or was it adam and eve as in men and women in general? I don't know. But does it change my faith? Not a bit. There are things we will never know. I'm OK with that.
 
Really? Just heard on the radio this morning that scientists were baffled by the lack of surface temperature fluctuation over the past 20 years despite climbing greenhouse gas numbers.
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MMGW is as much a religion as any other belief system. It disregards any evidence that does not support the base theory and makes broad if/ then leaps in the absence of real evidence. Those of us who believe Jesus was the son of God have a cross, GW zealots have a hockey stick. The difference comes in tolerance. I don't care a bit if you don't believe what I do, yet GW believers insist I must tithe to their God or the world will end in fiery destruction. Sound familiar?
It's actually just the opposite. GW scientists are constantly shifting their theories and redesigning their models to suit the latest data.
1.5.1 Model Evolution and Model Hierarchies - AR4 WGI Chapter 1: Historical Overview of Climate Change Science
The continuous evolution of these models over recent decades has been enabled by a considerable increase in computational capacity, with supercomputer speeds increasing by roughly a factor of a million in the three decades from the 1970s to the present. This computational progress has permitted a corresponding increase in model complexity (by including more and more components and processes, as depicted in Figure 1.2), in the length of the simulations, and in spatial resolution, as shown in Figure 1.4. The models used to evaluate future climate changes have therefore evolved over time. Most of the pioneering work on CO2-induced climate change was based on atmospheric general circulation models coupled to simple ‘slab’ ocean models (i.e., models omitting ocean dynamics), from the early work of Manabe and Wetherald (1975) to the review of Schlesinger and Mitchell (1987). At the same time the physical content of the models has become more comprehensive (see in Section 1.5.2 the example of clouds). Similarly, most of the results presented in the FAR were from atmospheric models, rather than from models of the coupled climate system, and were used to analyse changes in the equilibrium climate resulting from a doubling of the atmospheric CO2 concentration. Current climate projections can investigate time-dependent scenarios of climate evolution and can make use of much more complex coupled ocean-atmosphere models, sometimes even including interactive chemical or biochemical components.

The "religion", IMO, is in denying the veracity of the climate science and arguing that is is politically driven.
 
Except of the 40 some authors of the Bible (there are 66 books in the Bible, not 1) none of them were even aware that their works would be assembled into a single volume. Paul, who was the single biggest contributor to the Bible was not writing a history of Christianity. In fact at the time there was no Christianity. And even of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John only one of them knew Jesus personally. It's not like they all got together to write a collection that would eventually become the basis of a religion. They lived at different times and in different places and for the most part were not even aware of each other.

See, I like having discussions like this with people like you. I don't have all the answers either and can admit that. We can discuss these things and share perspective. I still have a problem with the concepts of virgin birth and rising from the dead. But in the end that doesn't change my personal relationships. Were Adam and Eve two individuals, or was it adam and eve as in men and women in general? I don't know. But does it change my faith? Not a bit. There are things we will never know. I'm OK with that.


FWIW, I was thinking more those who created and contributed the rules...namely the ones I find to be a bit silly (mixed cloth, shellfish and pork, marrying your dead brother's childless widow, etc.), but you're right. It was the council that housed those who feared losing power and who selected the final texts, dictating what Christianity was supposed to be to everybody else (including a lot of people who had no interest at the time).
 
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It's actually just the opposite. GW scientists are constantly shifting their theories and redesigning their models to suit the latest data.
1.5.1 Model Evolution and Model Hierarchies - AR4 WGI Chapter 1: Historical Overview of Climate Change Science


The "religion", IMO, is in denying the veracity of the climate science and arguing that is is politically driven.

So then the emails that discussed the intentionally inserted false date that produced the hockey stick model never existed? And the predictions over the past few decades that always seem to indicate we only have a couple of years left (they keep getting revised when disaster never comes) are simply scientific evolution?

You know, neither of these subjects is really my forte. I'll leave you to discuss them with others who are more interested. Good luck. :peace:
 
I'm with Maggie in wondering what possible solace could someone gain discouraging the hope of others. Most people of faith "like me" don't necessarily worship, go to church or understand and believe all of scriptures. It's the idea that some higher power may be able to help our suffering in this world and maybe some day reunite us with loved ones. How is that so horrible?


Because it's bullshat and causes you to cede power over your own life to a non entity and even worse the priests of the non entity.
 
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