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Easter Silly

calamity said:
So, it's better to bull**** ourselves than face reality because doing so would hurt our feeeelings. :cry:

That's the "conservative" position?
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Can't speak for all conservatives. I'm just one guy and I don't write the policies.
 
spanky said:
Really. And how do you know that, are you GOD?
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If you believe in God, you believe they will lose their soulds if they lie. If you don't believe in God, you believe they have nothing to lose. Either way, it doesn't take God to agree with me, it only takes not being an imbecile. You've argueds yourself into a corner that the only way for you to be right about the dying having a reason to lie, is if what they are telling is the truth. So stop feigning mental retardation. It doesn't take God to know you've argued yourself into an unwinnable contradiction of your own flawed premise, and you wouldn't be able to operate a keyboard if you were to stupid to kjnow it, you'd be trying to eat your keyboard instead of typing on it.
 
spanky said:
They've lost everything in life all they have left is their soul. Our you saying that means nothing?
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nothing to lose in this context means they actually lose nothing by promising to live up to gods standards as they have no life left to live anyway.

they have nothing to lose by making such a promise. she is right.
 
calamity said:
In the big picture, knowing a little something about Cesar Chavez is more valuable than knowing a lot about Easter.
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While actual knowledge about the dictator-loving, immigrant-hating leftist demagogue is beneficial, your throwing feces at something dear to hearts of countless people all around the world is ...how to put it politely? ...beyond the pale.
 
Cyrylek said:
While actual knowledge about the dictator-loving, immigrant-hating leftist demagogue is beneficial, your throwing feces at something dear to hearts of countless people all around the world is ...how to put it politely? ...beyond the pale.
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I thought it was kinda funny...
 
spanky said:
I thought it was kinda funny...
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Well, I don't have the omnivorous satirical genius of the South Park creators (who are my heroes, do not get me wrong), so I fail sometimes to find humor in tacky outbursts of plain bigotry. As an atheist, I find this one especially objectionable.
 
Cyrylek said:
While actual knowledge about the dictator-loving, immigrant-hating leftist demagogue is beneficial, your throwing feces at something dear to hearts of countless people all around the world is ...how to put it politely? ...beyond the pale.
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Dictator loving wut?

Cesar Chavez (born César Estrada Chávez, locally: [ˈsesaɾ esˈtɾaða ˈtʃaβes]; March 31, 1927 – April 23, 1993) was an American farm worker, labor leader and civil rights activist, who, with Dolores Huerta, co-founded the National Farm Workers Association (later the United Farm Workers union, UFW).[1]

A Mexican American, Chavez became the best known Latino American civil rights activist, and was strongly promoted by the American labor movement, which was eager to enroll Hispanic members. His public-relations approach to unionism and aggressive but nonviolent tactics made the farm workers' struggle a moral cause with nationwide support. By the late 1970s, his tactics had forced growers to recognize the UFW as the bargaining agent for 50,000 field workers in California and Florida. However, by the mid-1980s membership in the UFW had dwindled to around 15,000.
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See. Knowing who the hell Cesar Chavez was is more important than being brainwashed in myths about Easter.
 
calamity said:
Dictator loving wut?.
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Check on his love story with Ferdinand Marcos.

calamity said:
who, with Dolores Huerta, co-founded the National Farm Workers Association ?.
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Yes, him - the man who, with Dolores Huerta, had organized the notorious Wet Lines along the border - an army of union thugs who had actually beaten and maimed Mexicans trying to cross - as opposed to warning shots of the most bigoted "patrolmen" of our days.
 
Cyrylek said:
Check on his love story with Ferdinand Marcos.




Yes, him - the man who, with Dolores Huerta, had organized the notorious Wet Lines along the border - an army of union thugs who had actually beaten and maimed Mexicans trying to cross - as opposed to warning shots of the most bigoted "patrolmen" of our days.
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I didnt know any of that. looks like maybe even I know more about Easter than Cesar Chavez. Sad. Education in this country sucks.
 
calamity said:
I didnt know any of that. looks like maybe even I know more about Easter than Cesar Chavez. Sad. Education in this country sucks.
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I am not trying to make some kind of demon out of Chavez: the man had a good side, and he also did some very bad things (leaving quite aside the legitimate disagreements about the meaning and consequences of the union-building per se).

But I think that is one of the reasons we atheists should think twice - and then a few more times - before dismissing religion as a part of healthy society life.

People do want to believe, and people do tend to create heroes, and heroes turn into idols to be worshiped blindly...

The minor and mostly harmless cult of Cesar Chavez is one step, the bigger and more destructive cult of the other, Venezuelan, Chavez is another - and, of course, we all know about the super-cults of human monsters in nominally atheistic countries like the USSR and North Korea, that make both Chavezes look as benign as Easter bunnies.

People who worship the guy on the cross worship an ideal and an abstraction. And their holy texts are complicated, contradictory, and open to different interpretations.

People who worship leaders and heroes worship actual men - always flawed, often simply the worst (because the worst are more likely to win in the race to the top, in times of crisis). And their holy texts are party programs and focused calls for action.

Which kind of worship is more likely to demand human sacrifices?
 
Cyrylek said:
I am not trying to make some kind of demon out of Chavez: the man had a good side, and he also did some very bad things (leaving quite aside the legitimate disagreements about the meaning and consequences of the union-building per se).

But I think that is one of the reasons we atheists should think twice - and then a few more times - before dismissing religion as a part of healthy society life.

People do want to believe, and people do tend to create heroes, and heroes turn into idols to be worshiped blindly...

The minor and mostly harmless cult of Cesar Chavez is one step, the bigger and more destructive cult of the other, Venezuelan, Chavez is another - and, of course, we all know about the super-cults of human monsters in nominally atheistic countries like the USSR and North Korea, that make both Chavezes look as benign as Easter bunnies.

People who worship the guy on the cross worship an ideal and an abstraction. And their holy texts are complicated, contradictory, and open to different interpretations.

People who worship leaders and heroes worship actual men - always flawed, often simply the worst (because the worst are more likely to win in the race to the top, in times of crisis). And their holy texts are party programs and focused calls for action.

Which kind of worship is more likely to demand human sacrifices?
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Interesting points. I definitely agree that cults of personality are potentially at least as dangerous as the worst aspects of religion. I don't agree that following mythical/religous figures is usually as benign as you suggest.
 
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calamity said:
In the big picture, knowing a little something about Cesar Chavez is more valuable than knowing a lot about Easter. Since Google is an information device, it makes sense that they would chose a real historical hero over the myth in their doodle. But, of course, the Christians had a cow about it on their side of the blogosphere. Which, to a thinking man, only raises more eyebrows.

The more I think about it, the more I think the whole Easter thing is totally stupid. Celebrate spring and fertility already. But, drop the homoerotic BS of that dude in a diaper hanging from a cross. It's morbid and disgusting.

It's also embarrassing to live in a country where almost half the people think that the resurrection is real. My god, here we are in the 21st century and people cling to myths from year freaking 35. How crazy is that?

It's just silly.
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MaggieD said:
People like you make me sick.

Who the hell are you to denigrate anyone's religion? Those who believe get comfort when their hearts are breaking, strength when they're afraid, courage when they are dying. When they are sobbing their hearts out because they've lost a child? They hold onto the hope that their little one is sitting on the right hand of God. Why the **** do people think they have to make fun of religion just because they don't believe themselves???

Edit: Tell your dying mother she's been an asshole her whole life for believing in a guy who died in a diaper. Disgusting.
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Jesus Christ let it go. It. does. not. matter.
 
Hard Truth said:
Interesting points. I definitely agree that cults of personality are potentially at least as dangerous as the worst aspects of religion. I don't agree that following mythical/religous figures is usually as benign as you suggest.
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Not always - but I would say "usually", in the modern world, and not so much "benign" as filling a very dangerous void. The throne is never vacant. We are a worshiper species.

Russians have this saying, "свято место пусто не бывает" - " a holy ground is never empty"; the Chinese are more direct: "holy sites swarm with demons". In Russia and China, they certainly do know.
 
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