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The God Fearing or the God-less.....

GottaGo said:
I live by 'Do unto others' and 'Harm none, do as you will', if that answers the question.
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Okay.....but now if some harm is done to you. What line would you not cross in dealing with the matter?
 
MMC said:
Okay.....but now if some harm is done to you. What line would you not cross in dealing with the matter?
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Imminent physical danger to me or mine, I will defend, including the use of deadly force.

I will prevent the taking of my personal property with other than deadly force, but kneecapping, IMO, is not deadly force. :wink:

Non-physical harm, I address it legally if necessary. And I do believe in 'karma'.

What does this have to do with if I have a conscience?
 
GottaGo said:
Imminent physical danger to me or mine, I will defend, including the use of deadly force.

I will prevent the taking of my personal property with other than deadly force, but kneecapping, IMO, is not deadly force. :wink:

Non-physical harm, I address it legally if necessary. And I do believe in 'karma'.

What does this have to do with if I have a conscience?
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Well myself I was thinking along the lines of people who do something extreme over something minor. Where as you and I may have that line within our own mind as to if we cross. Such as kneecapping when there are those who wouldn't hesitate to take life.

I will get back to ya later. Got to run out to the Dentist. :2wave:
 
MMC said:
More than likely they would be IMO.....now what about a Zen Priest? What about Buddhists? Scientologists and Garden Religions.
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The point of my question was that your OP was too broad.

I'd not want to listen to some, but might invite listening to others.

I'm pretty sure I'd not want to hear much of anything from a Westboro Baptist.
I have relatives who are JW's, so I'd pass on listening to a devout JW for sure.

A lot depends on how adamant they are in their faith.
 
MMC said:
Who would people rather listen to, Those that fear God and are God-fearing People.....Or those that fear none and are the God-less? Freestyle Debate.....anything associated with the God-Fearing and or God-less can be used when it concerns those that listen or would or wouldn't.
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Listen to...about what? If I want to hear a perspective on God and faith, then I'd probably want to listen to those who believe in God. If I want a perspective on something not related to God then the Godless will probably be fine.
 
Cardinal said:
Listen to...about what? If I want to hear a perspective on God and faith, then I'd probably want to listen to those who believe in God. If I want a perspective on something not related to God then the Godless will probably be fine.
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I'd say with the first one, (this is a generalization) that the non-believers are more educated on faith than the believers.
 
MMC said:
Who would people rather listen to, Those that fear God and are God-fearing People.....Or those that fear none and are the God-less? Freestyle Debate.....anything associated with the God-Fearing and or God-less can be used when it concerns those that listen or would or wouldn't.
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Neither.

I choose those who exercise some measure of common sense, if you identify yourself as God-fearing or God-less than chances are your views fall on either side of the spectrum (one extreme vs. the other). Usually both are highly lacking in the common sense department and I tend to avoid both if that's the case.
 
zgoldsmith23 said:
I'd say with the first one, (this is a generalization) that the non-believers are more educated on faith than the believers.
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Oh. I've seen both too often to say that one is more knowledgable on faith than the other. I will say though that the God-ful are consistently incapable of grasping the worldview of the non-God-ful. Check out the latest Church and the State thread to see what I'm talking about.
 
MMC said:
Viewer Discretion NFSW.....

Not quite.....not when it comes to speaking ancient dialects that don't exist anymore. Languages they would have no knowledge of, nor physical transformation with the body.





In this type of case perhaps neither would be applicable.
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Oh, you're going to mention the case where Her parents and Her priest were charged with negligent manslaughter? I'm not sure where you're getting this ancient dialect stuff? It sounded to me like she was speaking in German. I believe I heard a Scheisse (****) in there. The Wikipedia page about here makes no mention of ancient dialects. I'd also bet it's no coincidence that she and her parents were highly religious already.
 
Dragonfly said:
The point of my question was that your OP was too broad.

I'd not want to listen to some, but might invite listening to others.

I'm pretty sure I'd not want to hear much of anything from a Westboro Baptist.
I have relatives who are JW's, so I'd pass on listening to a devout JW for sure.

A lot depends on how adamant they are in their faith.
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Luckily, I think Westboro Baptist--Fred Phelps and his evil spawn--has about 50+ congregants. They're pathetic and wicked. Fortunately, just about every sane individual can agree on exactly who these sick people are, and so there's communion between secularists and those of faith. :lol:
 
afr0byte said:
Oh, you're going to mention the case where Her parents and Her priest were charged with negligent manslaughter? I'm not sure where you're getting this ancient dialect stuff? It sounded to me like she was speaking in German. I believe I heard a Scheisse (****) in there. The Wikipedia page about here makes no mention of ancient dialects. I'd also bet it's no coincidence that she and her parents were highly religious already.
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Well I just used her to demonstrate such a case. But there other cases wherein they do have validation of speaking another language and even dialects that are no longer used. Also the parents were not involved in the transformation of her physical body.

Another case would be from the True Story of the Entity. Barbra Hershey starred in the movie about it.....but it was well studied case and included several universities. UCLA leading the way. Which didn't have to do with Possession but one getting attacked by something. Not seen.
 
MMC said:
Who would people rather listen to, Those that fear God and are God-fearing People.....Or those that fear none and are the God-less? Freestyle Debate.....anything associated with the God-Fearing and or God-less can be used when it concerns those that listen or would or wouldn't.
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God-less . . . if they're morally straight it is so without fearing some horrid afterlife of torment.

And before anyone argues that god-less people are immoral - they need to look at all the many god-fearing people who commit horrid, foul, heinous or just simple crimes.

Mmhmm.

The God-fearing people doesn't really work that well, it seems.
 
MMC said:
Well I just used her to demonstrate such a case. But there other cases wherein they do have validation of speaking another language and even dialects that are no longer used. Also the parents were not involved in the transformation of her physical body.
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According to the Wikipedia page she was semi-starved during the ~70 exorcism "sessions". She weighed 68 pounds when she died. Someone was responsible for not feeding her obviously.

Another case would be from the True Story of the Entity. Barbra Hershey starred in the movie about it.....but it was well studied case and included several universities. UCLA leading the way. Which didn't have to do with Possession but one getting attacked by something. Not seen.
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Do you have an actual reference source for this? All I could find were paranormal sites, which will obviously have a biased view.
 
Well they did have IVs going.....they just didn't seem to work. Which was after being taken in.

Theres not much on the Doris Blither case.....plus she died in 1999 so any all research on such came to a stop.

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Doris Bither (The Entity case) framed by a luminous anomaly (1974)

The passage of almost four decades and the experience of thousands of more cases, have provided this author with a rather unique perspective regarding such experiences and claims. Remember, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and while there was plenty of evidence that we were dealing with real paranormal phenomena, it very likely had nothing whatsoever to do with incorporeal sex, except in the minds of Doris and her children.

According to Doris’s son’s, she passed away in 1999 at the tender young age of 58 from respiratory failure, and as such we’ll never really know if Doris fit the longitudinal pattern that has emerged in this type of parapsychological research strongly indicating a link between poltergeist activity and epilepsy/seizure prone individuals coupled with anomalous electromagnetic/geomagnetic environments.

It would have been really interesting to have given Doris a full neurophysiological medical workup combined with taking environmental electromagnetic and geomagnetic measurements. Odds are, that such data collection would have revealed the true nature of what was really going on here.

There have also been many people who have claimed that they were part of our lab and were also part of our investigation of this case. There were only three names formally associated with this case, one being Kerry Gaynor, my associate at the time, Dr. Thelma Moss, the head of our former UCLA parapsychology lab (who only visited the site on one occasion), and yours truly.

Neither our lab, nor the U.S. government, has ever trained anyone as mediums, and we were not even allowed to work with anyone under the age of eighteen due to the university’s Human Use Committee regulations. Such people should at least check their historical facts before pontificating.

To fully comprehend the possibility that a living person’s subconscious mind can involuntarily generate such power as to manifest luminous anomalies, apparitions and macroscopic psychokinetic events, is for me, far more compelling than if a discarnate intelligence was responsible.....snip~

The Real Entity Case | Dr. Barry Taff's Official Site
 
MMC said:
Well they did have IVs going.....they just didn't seem to work. Which was after being taken in.

Theres not much on the Doris Blither case.....plus she died in 1999 so any all research on such came to a stop.

ENTITY-DORIS-ARC8-300x212.jpg

Doris Bither (The Entity case) framed by a luminous anomaly (1974)

The passage of almost four decades and the experience of thousands of more cases, have provided this author with a rather unique perspective regarding such experiences and claims. Remember, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and while there was plenty of evidence that we were dealing with real paranormal phenomena, it very likely had nothing whatsoever to do with incorporeal sex, except in the minds of Doris and her children.

According to Doris’s son’s, she passed away in 1999 at the tender young age of 58 from respiratory failure, and as such we’ll never really know if Doris fit the longitudinal pattern that has emerged in this type of parapsychological research strongly indicating a link between poltergeist activity and epilepsy/seizure prone individuals coupled with anomalous electromagnetic/geomagnetic environments.

It would have been really interesting to have given Doris a full neurophysiological medical workup combined with taking environmental electromagnetic and geomagnetic measurements. Odds are, that such data collection would have revealed the true nature of what was really going on here.

There have also been many people who have claimed that they were part of our lab and were also part of our investigation of this case. There were only three names formally associated with this case, one being Kerry Gaynor, my associate at the time, Dr. Thelma Moss, the head of our former UCLA parapsychology lab (who only visited the site on one occasion), and yours truly.

Neither our lab, nor the U.S. government, has ever trained anyone as mediums, and we were not even allowed to work with anyone under the age of eighteen due to the university’s Human Use Committee regulations. Such people should at least check their historical facts before pontificating.

To fully comprehend the possibility that a living person’s subconscious mind can involuntarily generate such power as to manifest luminous anomalies, apparitions and macroscopic psychokinetic events, is for me, far more compelling than if a discarnate intelligence was responsible.....snip~

The Real Entity Case | Dr. Barry Taff's Official Site
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OK, so no solid evidence, got it.
 
afr0byte said:
OK, so no solid evidence, got it.
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Well you can look up UCLA's records if ya want and or any Police reports they had back then.....what solid evidence would you be looking for other than the validation of what was taking place. Witnesses to events with the individual. Other than not knowing the cause seems to acknowledge that something very unusual was happening.
 
MMC said:
Who would people rather listen to, Those that fear God and are God-fearing People.....Or those that fear none and are the God-less? Freestyle Debate.....anything associated with the God-Fearing and or God-less can be used when it concerns those that listen or would or wouldn't.
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And what about the majority who are neither.
 
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