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Which is more important? Justice or Mercy.

It is if your society's moral code says that torture and killing are at the same level of anti-social, aggressive behavior.



If you society's moral code is absolutist, it does not exist outside of the stone age societies of the Muslim Theocracies.

If it is our society, that of the West in virtually any country, moral relativism rules to the degree that any concept of good, evil, right or wrong is sacrificed for expedient convenience.
 
If you society's moral code is absolutist, it does not exist outside of the stone age societies of the Muslim Theocracies.

If it is our society, that of the West in virtually any country, moral relativism rules to the degree that any concept of good, evil, right or wrong is sacrificed for expedient convenience.

So, what are you saying? That Western societies are the same as Muslim Theocracies?
 
Socially, I don't have much regard for either "justice" or "mercy". They're both features of a moral worldview based on concepts of good and evil that I don't ascribe to-- I see actions in terms of "good" and "bad", rather than "good" and "evil". It's generally bad when people's lives are taken from them, whether it's in a prison cell or in the execution chamber. It is generally good when order is maintained.

Thus, the issue is not whether to balance "justice" with "mercy", but rather to balance the certain harm done by a harsh criminal sentence against the potential harm of a lesser sentence allowing the criminal to re-offend.

I lean heavily on the rehabilitation side of the equation. I think the primary goal of the "corrections system" should be correction, in salvaging what is left of the offender and returning him to society as an upstanding citizen. It's only when rehabilitation is too risky, too unlikely, or has failed multiple times that we should resort to harsh measures-- and then, rather than damaging the offender further and then re-releasing him, we should simply put him down as humanely as possible to prevent any further damage.

On a more personal level, when given a choice between retribution and mercy... I will almost always choose retribution. I don't have the means to provide rehabilitation for those whom have wronged me, but I do have the means to make such a bloody example of them that they will never risk crossing me again and everyone else will think twice about it.
 
Justice. Without Justice there is no backing for the Law and Order necessary to maintain a proper society. Mercy is simply being unwilling to do what needs to be done because it isn't easy or pleasant.
 
Justice first. Mercy is optional and can only be applied after the rendering of Justice.
 
So, what are you saying? That Western societies are the same as Muslim Theocracies?


I thought I was pretty clear that Muslim Theocracies are absolutist and the Western societies are Relativist.
 
Socially, I don't have much regard for either "justice" or "mercy". They're both features of a moral worldview based on concepts of good and evil that I don't ascribe to-- I see actions in terms of "good" and "bad", rather than "good" and "evil". It's generally bad when people's lives are taken from them, whether it's in a prison cell or in the execution chamber. It is generally good when order is maintained.

Thus, the issue is not whether to balance "justice" with "mercy", but rather to balance the certain harm done by a harsh criminal sentence against the potential harm of a lesser sentence allowing the criminal to re-offend.

I lean heavily on the rehabilitation side of the equation. I think the primary goal of the "corrections system" should be correction, in salvaging what is left of the offender and returning him to society as an upstanding citizen. It's only when rehabilitation is too risky, too unlikely, or has failed multiple times that we should resort to harsh measures-- and then, rather than damaging the offender further and then re-releasing him, we should simply put him down as humanely as possible to prevent any further damage.

On a more personal level, when given a choice between retribution and mercy... I will almost always choose retribution. I don't have the means to provide rehabilitation for those whom have wronged me, but I do have the means to make such a bloody example of them that they will never risk crossing me again and everyone else will think twice about it.



The human turd that started the fire and then assassinated the firemen who responded, previously had killed a woman by beating her to death with a hammer.

How is it that the turd a) was not put to death for the hammer killing, b) ever got out of jail seeing that he was not executed and c) is not put away in a Devil's Island type of prison, maybe on the Antarctic, where escape is impossible and life is miserable.

A fiend like this needs to be removed from society and never allowed back in and that means the death penalty.
 
A fiend like this needs to be removed from society and never allowed back in and that means the death penalty.

Yes. I am not arguing against the death penalty-- only against causing further harm to people our society has deemed salvageable.
 
Yes. I am not arguing against the death penalty-- only against causing further harm to people our society has deemed salvageable.



In the past there was plenty of room for doubt in convictions. Now, with DNA and all the CSI kind of crime detection, that doubt is going away.

Because we live in a society that needs to be protected from crazies, the death penalty is a good thing to exercise prudently with just cause and firm evidence.
 
Wrong words. Should be is Revenge or Mercy more important. Justice is revenge tempered with mercy.
 
Mercy is fine as long as its not given at the expense of society or the victims. It should be based on circumstances.
Im sure the parents of all the young women Ted Bundy raped, tortured and murdered are happy he didnt get mercy.
Mercy and justice is and should be administered based on circumstance...and theres nothing wrong with being vengeful
against individuals like the sandy hook mass murderer or a ted bundy or those that kill children..society has a "RIGHT" and a
"DUTY" to protect itself.
 
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