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As a metaphysical question, not religious, do you think you are immortal? That you existed before this life? After this life? Maybe as another person or in another form?
 
joko104 said:
As a metaphysical question, not religious, do you think you are immortal? That you existed before this life? After this life? Maybe as another person or in another form?
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Sometimes I like to ponder the idea that "this life" is similar to a theme park ride for a highly-advanced civilization existing on another plane.

That we, as individuals, choose our "ride" and thus live our lives here in this reality. And when we die, it's time to go to the back of the line and choose another ride.

That particularly suits me when I consider children born with cancer . . . severe birth defects . . . like they chose to experience the hell that is their life in order to become better souls on the "real plane" we can't see. And their next ride will be a much better and rewarding experience of their choosing. (This might be coming off as horrible . . . but I'm coming from a good place with these thoughts.)
 
joko104 said:
As a metaphysical question, not religious, do you think you are immortal? That you existed before this life? After this life? Maybe as another person or in another form?
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Maybe. I do often fancy running around chopping off people's heads with a sword.
 
joko104 said:
As a metaphysical question, not religious, do you think you are immortal? That you existed before this life? After this life? Maybe as another person or in another form?
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I think it's a pretty strong possibility. I don't think of *myself* per se as immortal, but I do think of *that which moves me* as immortal- if that makes any sense. :)
 
I wouldnt use the phrase immortal but we know that part of our "essence" certainly exists before & after we do.
 
Ones influence never truly ends.
 
As a person who believes in reincarnation the possibility exists that my being is immortal, but I have my doubts.
 
i never get from where the idea of immortality is comin, when immortality as a concept is a paradoxe

if immortality is true then mortality wont exist then immortal wont b true even as a concept

but in fact, meanin immortality is impossible to me

bc existing individually is only itself while itself alone everyone know that it cant exist constantly and even animals hate to stay there only insects could b excited by it

so when immortality mean always u then of course not and u will always found good reason to enjoy not existing
but also as a fact, existing individually need a lot of efforts to keep realizing and that cant b kept for long time even

also in fact, truth is what is always constant, but truth is an abstract existence of unknown constant present so never same fact, so not eternal
the proof is what evolution and superiority is the print of truth so yea it is not eternal

the only idea that i consider worth to look at in matter of mortality is the concept of killing that was made to take advantage of mortality fact by replacin it as a way of living
this is what ended as absolute monstruous existence for any object and individual being sense
 
joko104 said:
As a metaphysical question, not religious, do you think you are immortal? That you existed before this life? After this life? Maybe as another person or in another form?
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Yes. I believe in a cycle-of-life kind of reincarnation. You know, when we die, we become the grass, and the antelope eat the grass, etc. etc. That kind of thing.

Mufasa > Jesus, IMO.
 
I don't know how to even consider this question outside of a religious context. I certainly don't know how to answer it.
 
I can't imagine that our existence is for nothing.
 
how cant u believe it??? while everything around is clear about its fact, dont u recognize all those beings billions and over for nothing and all those animals beings misery that cant even b present for themselves and above all objects realities that keep sayin nothing at all
what about those powers above powerful institutions and communities that clearly show how they mean nothing but passin time without efforts in stayin above so easily forcin all down for nothing
how not seeing that all this led to see nothing as superior goal while existence became totally possessed by monsters life so what is less then nothing bc nothing is the end
 
I know I'm not immortal in the "sentience that is me" sense.

sometimes imagine me and some friends rolled up "terrestrial earth characters" and distributed points to our attributes, and imagine that that the thrill of the game is not knowing of the behind-the-scences, and that when we die we get re-incorporated and go WOW, let's do that again! sort of thing. But that's for fun, I don't really believe it, nor do I think on any level its reasonable to even entertain that it could be possible. Who do the immortal versions of us think created them? Ad infinitum.

I'm kind of comforted sometimes by the reality of the infinite sleep. Having seen enough horrifying ideas about eternal torture, that scares me far, far, far more. Ever read that Stephen King short story, the Jaunt? Yeah, I'm going to sleep.
 
Mach said:
I know I'm not immortal in the "sentience that is me" sense.

sometimes imagine me and some friends rolled up "terrestrial earth characters" and distributed points to our attributes, and imagine that that the thrill of the game is not knowing of the behind-the-scences, and that when we die we get re-incorporated and go WOW, let's do that again! sort of thing. But that's for fun, I don't really believe it, nor do I think on any level its reasonable to even entertain that it could be possible. Who do the immortal versions of us think created them? Ad infinitum.

I'm kind of comforted sometimes by the reality of the infinite sleep. Having seen enough horrifying ideas about eternal torture, that scares me far, far, far more. Ever read that Stephen King short story, the Jaunt? Yeah, I'm going to sleep.
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If you base your life on Stephen King novels, well, good luck.
 
spanky said:
If you base your life on Stephen King novels, well, good luck.
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Base my life? Not only do you believe in mysticism and "life after death", but you believe I base my life on a Stephen King novel? That's unfortunate for you.

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I can't imagine that our existence is for nothing.
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What do you think the existence of the universe is for then, oh ye of little imagination? Twinkies? Maybe 42? I didn't ridicule your post originally because I gave you the benefit of the doubt. You have since eliminated that doubt.

SPOILER ALERT: The reason for my existence is largely a result of my parents wanting to have another child.

As to the reason for YOUR existence, ask your parents. Otherwise, if you mean broadly the meaning of your existence in relatioship to the universe, that's an absurd question and you have absurdly answered it. The reason for your existence, to use the cliche, is the sound of one hand clapping.
 
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The universe is an effort toward self realization and meaning.
 
wat u r suggestin is about much higher truth then universe
universe truth is simply any objective existence

while ur existence is not universal
when even mine is nothing to
 
spanky said:
I can't imagine that our existence is for nothing.
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This may sound kind of sappy but its to learn all we can learn, touch as many people in a positive way as we can teach what we know and learn from all our experiences.
 
It depends on what you mean by immortal. When we die, our bodies break down, and go back to the earth. If there's any aspect of the human being that is not physical, then it returns to the universe in some form or another, possibly a type of energy. So, in that way, I would say yes, we're immortal. However, if you're asking is there some part of us that is conscious after death, that's a bit trickier. There's no real way to answer that, as we don't know if the conscious remains intact after death, and that only if there is a non-physical aspect to it.
 
I hope that we continue on after our biomechanical computers fail. I can't pretend that I know for sure, though.

most signs that nature gives us could serve as evidence in the affirmative. day gives way to night, which becomes day again. the earth blooms, reproduces, dies, and blooms again. we wake, work, sleep, and wake up the next day. if death were final, that data point would be an outlier.

either way, I guess we'll all find out someday. I'm nervous about it, but also cautiously optimistic.
 
Helix said:
I hope that we continue on after our biomechanical computers fail. I can't pretend that I know for sure, though.

most signs that nature gives us could serve as evidence in the affirmative. day gives way to night, which becomes day again. the earth blooms, reproduces, dies, and blooms again. we wake, work, sleep, and wake up the next day. if death were final, that data point would be an outlier.

either way, I guess we'll all find out someday. I'm nervous about it, but also cautiously optimistic.
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To bad you will be dead unable to perceive it.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
To bad you will be dead unable to perceive it.
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i'm not as sure of that as i used to be. however, i think i'll keep being optimistic about it. i don't see the harm, honestly.
 
Helix said:
i'm not as sure of that as i used to be. however, i think i'll keep being optimistic about it. i don't see the harm, honestly.
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Well of course your personal beliefs are your own and no one can do a thing about that. And I see no reason to convince you to change your mind. Though I would say that you are not really being optimistic rather just a little wishful thinking. Again nothing wrong with that but the implication that you are being optimistic about being able to perceive without a body with a brain to do that implys that I would be pessimistic for believing that if there is no brain it cannot function since there would literally be nothing to you. My point of view is purely observational not emotional.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
Well of course your personal beliefs are your own and no one can do a thing about that. And I see no reason to convince you to change your mind. Though I would say that you are not really being optimistic rather just a little wishful thinking. Again nothing wrong with that but the implication that you are being optimistic about being able to perceive without a body with a brain to do that implys that I would be pessimistic for believing that if there is no brain it cannot function since there would literally be nothing to you. My point of view is purely observational not emotional.
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i shared your view for several years, and i understand the logic behind it completely. my life has improved somewhat, though, since i realized that i might not know as much as i think that i know, and that existence might not fit perfectly into my limited logical model.

either way, i respect your opinion.
 
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