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Wake said:
It's not that a god exists, but that there are people who pretend one does.

Man created the idea of god. The fact that there are so many different religions, and variations of single religions... adds weight to that notion. Religions can be created, and have been throughout the centuries. The latest was... Scientology?
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you are a very new atheist ,isnt it very early to judge me ??
 
dyanaprajna2011 said:
Is there something to the fact that Buddhists have killed the least people in the name of our religion, and have no need for a belief in an almighty creator deity?
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their philosophie idealizes the human.but god knows whose religion is the right one.
 
Medusa said:
you are a very new atheist ,isnt it very early to judge me ??
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You're a kind person, Medusa. However, there are many inconsistencies regarding religion, and many problems involving it and its followers. It's not personal. There is much about religion that ought to be questioned.
 
Wake said:
You're a kind person, Medusa. However, there are many inconsistencies regarding religion, and many problems involving it and its followers. It's not personal. There is much about religion that ought to be questioned.
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thx but as long as you look for logic ,you wont understand the religions
 
Medusa said:
thx but as long as you look for logic ,you wont understand the religions
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It would be unreasonable to believe that gremlins exist. Gremlins are considered supernatural. Gods, angels, and demons are supernatural as well. Therefore it'd be illogical to believe in them, too. Santa, unicorns, and a whole host of other "supernatural" concepts exist, but you don't believe in them.
 
Wake said:
It would be unreasonable to believe that gremlins exist. Gremlins are considered supernatural. Gods, angels, and demons are supernatural as well. Therefore it'd be illogical to believe in them, too. Santa, unicorns, and a whole host of other "supernatural" concepts exist, but you don't believe in them.
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santa really lived in this world .you can read his real story.

and as a believer i must believe in angels and genies too..

we have no verse about gremlins..
 
Medusa said:
whatever you do ,you can not get over natural disasters .
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sure we can. we just cant yet. research and development is a wonderful thing. it's why we can live in huge digitally networked cities, fly spaceships, have nuclear reactors, can engineer the planet, and other things now that we could not do 100 years ago. and 100 years from now, we'll be able to do things that make the international space station look like a cotton gin. nature is nothing compared to the intellect of mankind. we have defeated it, as the other poster said, and we will continue beating it until it can no longer threaten us in any way.
 
Medusa said:
santa really lived in this world .you can read his real story.

and as a believer i must believe in angels and genies too..

we have no verse about gremlins..
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"Santa" is not Saint Nicholas of Myra. Like with religion, even the holidays are twisted and changed with the passing of time and societies.

You should question whether or not the Bible (whichever version) was written by worldly men. Regarding Christianity itself there are over 40 different editions. How is one to know which is correct?
 
roflpublican said:
sure we can. we just cant yet. research and development is a wonderful thing. it's why we can live in huge digitally networked cities, fly spaceships, have nuclear reactors, can engineer the planet, and other things now that we could not do 100 years ago. and 100 years from now, we'll be able to do things that make the international space station look like a cotton gin. nature is nothing compared to the intellect of mankind. we have defeated it, as the other poster said, and we will continue beating it until it can no longer threaten us in any way.
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i dont support every hi tech development which seems the success of humans but which harms us badly in reality..yes humans can do lots of things but not win natural laws without harming themselves.
 
Medusa said:
i dont support every hi tech development which seems the success of humans but which harms us badly in reality..yes humans can do lots of things but not win natural laws without harming themselves.
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indeed, as long as you admit we can win over natural laws, we're on the same page. harm to ourselves is part of the learning curve.
 
Wake said:
"Santa" is not Saint Nicholas of Myra. Like with religion, even the holidays are twisted and changed with the passing of time and societies.

You should question whether or not the Bible (whichever version) was written by worldly men. Regarding Christianity itself there are over 40 different editions. How is one to know which is correct?
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you can not know his story better than me...of course he didnt used to fly with deers in the sky...

and of course i know bible has different versions ,and my priority is always qoran .but the common message of them is the same.
 
roflpublican said:
indeed, as long as you admit we can win over natural laws, we're on the same page. harm to ourselves is part of the learning curve.
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if we harm ourselves and our nature ,how can we say we build super civilizations ?


of course i believe human is that evil ,he can destroy this nature to reach a developed civilization.but he cant save himself.
 
Medusa said:
you can not know his story better than me...of course he didnt used to fly with deers in the sky...

and of course i know bible has different versions ,and my priority is always qoran .but the common message of them is the same.
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Yet the life of Saint Nicholas of Myra has been transformed over the centuries.. For even greater lengths of time, the same holds true for religions.

You believe in the Koran, but it too is as subjective as the Bible. ...is there any part of you deep down that makes you suspect it was written by men in barbaric times?
 
Wake said:
"Santa" is not Saint Nicholas of Myra. Like with religion, even the holidays are twisted and changed with the passing of time and societies.
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The modern-day version of Santa Claus came from a Coca Cola advertising campaign, it has nothing whatsoever to do with religion. Of course, don't tell her that, she believes what she wants to believe and rejects what she wants to reject and if there's any logic whatsoever in her choices, I can't find it.

You should question whether or not the Bible (whichever version) was written by worldly men. Regarding Christianity itself there are over 40 different editions. How is one to know which is correct?
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40? Try over 41,000 different sects of Christianity.
 
Wake said:
Yet the life of Saint Nicholas of Myra has been transformed over the centuries.. For even greater lengths of time, the same holds true for religions.

You believe in the Koran, but it too is as subjective as the Bible. ...is there any part of you deep down that makes you suspect it was written by men in barbaric times?
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anatolia is the place where christianity spread all over the world ,yes saint nicola lived here and then became a legendary,anyway


yes men wrote these books ,do you think god used the latest software versions to write them :mrgreen:
 
Medusa said:
if we harm ourselves and our nature ,how can we say we build super civilizations ?


of course i believe human is that evil ,he can destroy this nature to reach a developed civilization.but he cant save himself.
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basically yes. but the civilization will still be super. just horrible and a threat to everything around it. as you say a civilization will destroy itself if it behaves like that. but that doesnt mean that civilization loses any of its capacity for feats of geoengineering because of that evil, it just means it's going to have a shorter lifespan than a more harmonious civilization.
 
Cephus said:
The modern-day version of Santa Claus came from a Coca Cola advertising campaign, it has nothing whatsoever to do with religion.

40? Try over 41,000 different sects of Christianity.
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There still remain four irreducible objections to religious faith: that it wholly misrepresents the origins of man and the cosmos, that because of this original error it manages to combine the maximum of servility with the maximum of solipsism, that it is both the result and the cause of dangerous sexual repression, and that it is ultimately grounded on wish-thinking. - Christopher Hitchens
 
Medusa said:
anatolia is the place where christianity spread all over the world ,yes saint nicola lived here and then became a legendary,anyway


yes men wrote these books ,do you think god used the latest software versions to write them :mrgreen:
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Worldly men wrote these religious books, for various reasons.
 
Wake said:
There still remain four irreducible objections to religious faith: that it wholly misrepresents the origins of man and the cosmos, that because of this original error it manages to combine the maximum of servility with the maximum of solipsism, that it is both the result and the cause of dangerous sexual repression, and that it is ultimately grounded on wish-thinking. - Christopher Hitchens
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qoran claims god created this universe step by step , humans evolved like a plant and we humans have only one ancestor.
 
Medusa said:
by god's inspiration
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...the problem, though, is who's saying that. It may very well not have been inspiration from god.
 
Wake said:
Worldly men wrote these religious books, for various reasons.
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Worldly men, ignorant of many facts about the natural world, yes.
 
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