Will you abandon your values in exchange for a promise?

The economy has always been the number one concern in every presidential election.

With the rise of the extreme Republican Party right wing where there is the very real possibility that women will lose their civil right to choose and even the possible talibanization of America if the likes of Akin, Mourdoch, Mandel, Deb Long and the R-R ticket are elected into office, will a woman take that risk and vote the R-R ticket because they are making promises that under their administration the economy will (miraculously) recover? Or will the R-R ticket railroad America?

The problem is, people aren't "abandoning their values" to vote for these troglodytes-- they're voting for them because they share those values. They're voting for Republicans who talk about "legitimate rape" because that's the kind of government they want.

Glowpun said:

The economy has always been the number one concern in every presidential election.

With the rise of the extreme Republican Party right wing where there is the very real possibility that women will lose their civil right to choose and even the possible talibanization of America if the likes of Akin, Mourdoch, Mandel, Deb Long and the R-R ticket are elected into office, will a woman take that risk and vote the R-R ticket because they are making promises that under their administration the economy will (miraculously) recover? Or will the R-R ticket railroad America?

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I have two questions about your post:

1. Why do you feel it necessary to employ such hyperbolizations as I have highlighted?
2. Exactly what "civil right to choose" is in jeopardy of being denied?

Mycroft said:

I have two questions about your [Glowpun's] post:

1. Why do you feel it necessary to employ such hyperbolizations as I have highlighted?

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Almost certainly because he imagines that the hyperbole creates an illusion of his posting having substance that he knows is not there; and he thinks that we're all stupid enough to be fooled by that illusion.

Viktyr Gehrig said:

The problem is, people aren't "abandoning their values" to vote for these troglodytes-- they're voting for them because they share those values. They're voting for Republicans who talk about "legitimate rape" because that's the kind of government they want.

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Did you notice, Vik, that the OP included the Romney/Ryan ticket? You're not saying that Romney supporters support rape (or whatever this narrative is about pro life Republicans) are you?

Mycroft said:

I have two questions about your post:

1. Why do you feel it necessary to employ such hyperbolizations as I have highlighted?
2. Exactly what "civil right to choose" is in jeopardy of being denied?

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You're wasting your time. Dude never responds or tries to back up what he says. Just drops the flaming bag of poop at the doorstep and then runs.

X Factor said:

Sure. The only reason to vote for Romney/Ryan is because they obviously support rape. All conservatives do, or so I'm told. :roll:

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I didn't say that they supported rape. I've been outspoken in several of the "party of rape" threads pointing out how these candid comments-- as disgusting as I find them-- are not endorsements of rape and that the people characterizing them as such as engaging in the lowest form of partisanship.

But the fact of the matter is, these people are elected. And that isn't just a "lesser of two evils" choice at the ballot box-- they're elected because the parties they represent have chosen them to represent the party in the elections. Because their supports have donated and lobbied and campaigned for them in both the primaries and the general election. Fundamentally, these people keep getting elected because a sizable number of people actually agree with the **** that keeps coming out of their mouths.

I'm not taking shots at the conservatives. I'm just pointing out that the people who represent conservatives do so because conservatives have chosen for them to do so.

Glowpun said:

The economy has always been the number one concern in every presidential election.

With the rise of the extreme Republican Party right wing where there is the very real possibility that women will lose their civil right to choose and even the possible talibanization of America if the likes of Akin, Mourdoch, Mandel, Deb Long and the R-R ticket are elected into office, will a woman take that risk and vote the R-R ticket because they are making promises that under their administration the economy will (miraculously) recover? Or will the R-R ticket railroad America?

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If you were intellectually honest, it would be much easier to respond to your post. That being said, my values aren't for sale.

Viktyr Gehrig said:

The problem is, people aren't "abandoning their values" to vote for these troglodytes-- they're voting for them because they share those values. They're voting for Republicans who talk about "legitimate rape" because that's the kind of government they want.

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Hardly, I'm voting for the Republicans because I don't want Obama anywhere near the White House anymore. He's proven he sucks. I think Romney sucks too. I think every single person running for the office, regardless of the party, sucks.

Therefore, as with every other election in the past 30ish years, I'm voting for the lesser of the two evils because all we have a choice of is evil.

Cephus said:

Hardly, I'm voting for the Republicans because I don't want Obama anywhere near the White House anymore. He's proven he sucks. I think Romney sucks too. I think every single person running for the office, regardless of the party, sucks.

Therefore, as with every other election in the past 30ish years, I'm voting for the lesser of the two evils because all we have a choice of is evil.

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OK, so you are voting for evil. Is that logical?

You could join in with me in voting for purity. I will stand in line, probably about two hours, and cast a blank ballet. Now imagine if half the electorate did the same thing, don't you think that the two major parties would take note and change their "evil" ways?

I completely disagree with the core premise of the OP.

I nearly completely agree with Democrats on social issues, although I am very pro-choice, pro-contraceptives and pro-gay marriage. I am voting for Romney. I was a Democratic election judge for a Democratic primary. I know many pro-choice and pro-gay rights people who are voting for Romney.

Those "issues" are just talk and little more. The entirety of issues aren't social issues. And I personally believe Obama is the most racist, sexist and bigoted president since Andrew Jackson. Extremely divisive dividing people up by race, gender, economic class, age, ethnicity. And I think Obama is a pathological liar. He is promising exactly what he promised in 2008 - and then did the exact opposite almost completely down the line.

Granting himself the authority to order anyone - including Americans - secretly and summarily assassinated or arrested and secretly imprisoned - is the worse lost of "civil and human rights" of all.

But I also believe that for a country to be generous in charity it as must be wealthy. Obama is an economic disaster. I also see Obama as a shill for the super rich - cursing them at the microphone to us peasants and then stealing hundreds of billions from the public treasury to give to the super rich. Obama is corrupt, incompetent and a liar.

The list of reasons I oppose Obama is very long.

I'm not giving up my values at all. Instead, I'm not being a fool for knee-jerk social issues lines the president uses.

As a Conservative, my values have never been for sale. I will ALWAYS vote for the Social Conservative candidate; because THAT is what is going to fix this country. To hell with the economic issues, they will straighten themselves out once we get society back on the straight and narrow.

Because of this I will not be voting for EITHER major party candidate next Tuesday. I'll be writing in my own name.

Tigger said:

As a Conservative, my values have never been for sale. I will ALWAYS vote for the Social Conservative candidate; because THAT is what is going to fix this country. To hell with the economic issues, they will straighten themselves out once we get society back on the straight and narrow.

Because of this I will not be voting for EITHER major party candidate next Tuesday. I'll be writing in my own name.

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That is appropriate - and your self declared relevancy to all the endless political messages you have posted. None.

imagep said:

OK, so you are voting for evil. Is that logical?

You could join in with me in voting for purity. I will stand in line, probably about two hours, and cast a blank ballet. Now imagine if half the electorate did the same thing, don't you think that the two major parties would take note and change their "evil" ways?

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There's no option not to vote for evil, except not voting at all. If you cast a blank ballot, they throw it away and it doesn't count at all. While I wish we had a "none of the above" option on the ballot, it will never happen because it would win 99% of the time.

Glowpun said:

The economy has always been the number one concern in every presidential election.

With the rise of the extreme Republican Party right wing where there is the very real possibility that women will lose their civil right to choose and even the possible talibanization of America if the likes of Akin, Mourdoch, Mandel, Deb Long and the R-R ticket are elected into office, will a woman take that risk and vote the R-R ticket because they are making promises that under their administration the economy will (miraculously) recover? Or will the R-R ticket railroad America?

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and I thought fear mongering was suppose to be a right wing thing...

Cephus said:

There's no option not to vote for evil, except not voting at all. If you cast a blank ballot, they throw it away and it doesn't count at all. While I wish we had a "none of the above" option on the ballot, it will never happen because it would win 99% of the time.

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Actually, it does count, it just doesn't count for any one person. Political parties examine the voting results at ever polling station. If they were to see that 1000 people voted, but that the candidates only got 500 votes, they would realize that the other 500 people were interested enough to vote, but just not for any candidate.

The only wasted vote is a straight party vote.

imagep said:

Actually, it does count, it just doesn't count for any one person. Political parties examine the voting results at ever polling station. If they were to see that 1000 people voted, but that the candidates only got 500 votes, they would realize that the other 500 people were interested enough to vote, but just not for any candidate.

The only wasted vote is a straight party vote.

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No its not.

Who cares what poll workers think about election outcomes?