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Why Does Religious People Attack Atheist?

sangha said:
But there is something ignorantly bigoted about implying that every religious person beliefs in an "imaginary friend in the sky who makes them feel better". Sorry if this offends the hate-theists, but is the truth
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Well, you guys give it to us all the time, so I suppose y'all should be able to take a bit in return, yes? Or is this just the "I want to run my mouth against atheists but as soon as they say anything back, I'm gonna cry like a French baby!" logic?
 
sangha said:
Some of us are more perceptive and more knowledgeable than the hate-theists
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Hey, a theist who thinks he's better than everyone, didn't think I'd ever see that [/sarcasm]

But there is something ignorantly bigoted about continually calling atheists "hate-theists". Sorry if that offends.
 
sangha said:
I'd feel equally safe in saying that science has found no evidence that your mother feels/felt love for you, yet you believe that she does/did
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My mom claims directly to me that she loves me. I know my mom exists, I talk to her and interact with her and she can be well demonstrated to others. Yet no god has appeared before me and done the same. No god has even appeared before me, interacted with me, and it surely cannot be well demonstrated to others. So you see, in one case I have measurement and in the other case, I have nothing.
 
sangha said:
According to your standard, that must objectively prove that God exists
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No, but it would mean that true belief does exist.
 
Atheists think that believers are naive.

Believers think that Atheists are immoral evil people.

Notice the difference?
 
Oh, this is rich.

Yeah, it's not like atheists are snarky/disrespectful towards the religious at all, or bully them at all.

*Waits for partisan hackery to ensue*
 
Wake said:
Oh, this is rich.

Yeah, it's not like atheists are snarky/disrespectful towards the religious at all, or bully them at all.

*Waits for partisan hackery to ensue*
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how many Atheists have been killed by Believers, simply due to their faith?

how many Believers have been killed by Atheists, simply due to their faith?

getting the point now?
 
ı believe in god (Allah) and ı define myself as a muslim because the society in which ı was raised is muslim.and ı know that the quran is more logical than the other holy books,too,but to be a muslim or christian or jewish isnt very important for me.but many believers are ignorant uninformed and prejudiced and if they are very radical or the member of a radical bigoted order ,their reactions to the atheists become more dangerous than the other believers..
 
Thunder said:
how many Atheists have been killed by Believers, simply due to their faith?

how many Believers have been killed by Atheists, simply due to their faith?

getting the point now?
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hitler was an atheist :)
 
Ikari said:
My mom claims directly to me that she loves me. I know my mom exists, I talk to her and interact with her and she can be well demonstrated to others. Yet no god has appeared before me and done the same. No god has even appeared before me, interacted with me, and it surely cannot be well demonstrated to others. So you see, in one case I have measurement and in the other case, I have nothing.
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dear ikari

if he interacts with you ,the humor of the belief disappears. you should believe in him without any evidence.if he shows up himself,everybody will believe in him .because he doesnt give you any scientific evidence ,we call this fact 'religion'. belief in god is usually emotional.because the concept of religion is not logical.and the ones who cant use their emotional logic to believe in god usually confuse the objective facts with religious teachings...
 
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Thunder said:
Hitler killed not a soul, for being a Christian.
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he didnt kill the christians who were loyal aryans....but of course popedom didnt do anything for those victims...this institution struggled with communism during the cold war,but not with hitler...because hitler was atheist but not communist...
 
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I don't get it either. If the idea is that God gave people free will to test whether we would choose to live as moral, god-loving people, attacking atheists and trying to convert people seems to go against the point.

I think aggressive Christians act the way they do because they feel threatened.

I probably qualify as an aggressive atheist, and I'm sure if I didn't feel so threatened I wouldn't be quite so aggressive about it. I think I have good reason to feel threatened though. There are Christians who would probably advocate for stoning me to death for some of the things I do in my spare time. All I want is for people to keep their faith out of politics and not try to force it on others.

Christians in the modern world do have reason to feel threatened, though. Science and psychology are finding more inaccuracies in the Bible and Christian teachings every day.
 
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CriticalThought said:
A "god" by definition is objective. I didn't come up with that definition. That is the definition based on how a "god" is generally defined within religious doctrine. Being incomprehensible to man is not mutually exclusive to being objective.
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I've never seen a definition of god that required it be objective and you haven't posted any evidence that a belief in gods existence, by definition, must be believed as an objective Truth. I, on the other hand, have pointed out that many religions believe, as a matter of doctrine, that Gods' nature is unknowable by man. If you don't believe me, just Google "The nature of God is incomprehensible" and you will get numerous links to religious scholars debating the matter

However, you are right to say that incomprehensibility is not mutually exclusive to being objective. However, their not being mutually exclusive does not mean that I have to believe that Gods existence is an objective truth. It's conceptually possible, but I need not believe in everything and anything that is conceptually possible.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
Ok you seem to be making up **** to soot your argument. You keep misrepresenting what I have said and trying to tell me that I meant something that i did not.
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I made nothing up. You said that emotions can be objectively verified and then you hypocritically argued that emotions are not objective evidence...right here

FreedomFromAll said:
A trained psychologist can recognize human emotions and verify them with questions while watching the MRI. The "God spot" does not verify anything but the subject expresses emotions.
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The MRI verified, for trained psychologists, that people experiencing Gods presence (like the people experiencing love) have a certain specific and identifiable response in their brain. Your double standard requires you to believe that the same method produces objective evidence in one case, and subjective evidence in the other.


hate-theism? Tell me where I have expressed any hate? I will leave now since you will not engage in any rational discussion. All you seem to want to do is "get me".
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I said nothing about your emotions. I am merely pointing out the double standard of a line of reasoning I call hate-theism which demands objective evidence for the beliefs of theists, but does not require objective evidence for their own beliefs.


"Einsteins theory does not state what is outside of the space." Boy you have no clue what you are talking about. The theory of relativity has much to do with space in fact space and time are the main subjects. Again it is impossible for space to be outside of space. Space is the measure of distance between objects. SO nothing is outside of the universe because something cannot be outside of itself.
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Yes, space and time are the main subject of Einsteins TOR. What is beyond space and time is not.
 
Ikari said:
Well, you guys give it to us all the time, so I suppose y'all should be able to take a bit in return, yes? Or is this just the "I want to run my mouth against atheists but as soon as they say anything back, I'm gonna cry like a French baby!" logic?
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It is dishonest to imply that I have every "given it" to you. I have never mentioned "an imaginary friend in the sky who makes me feel better". Not to you, and not to anyone else.

Atheists have to make up imaginary arguments that make them feel better because reality contradicts their beliefs.
 
Ikari said:
My mom claims directly to me that she loves me. I know my mom exists, I talk to her and interact with her and she can be well demonstrated to others. Yet no god has appeared before me and done the same. No god has even appeared before me, interacted with me, and it surely cannot be well demonstrated to others. So you see, in one case I have measurement and in the other case, I have nothing.
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And Bernie Madoff claims directly that he's a nice guy who was misunderstood. The jails are filled with criminals who claim they are innocent. We know they exist. It doesn't mean that what they say is true.

Claims of personal feelings are not objective evidence. Let me know when you have objective evidence that your mother loves you
 
Thunder said:
how many Atheists have been killed by Believers, simply due to their faith?

how many Believers have been killed by Atheists, simply due to their faith?

getting the point now?
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Why don't you look into how many believers were killed by atheistic govts in the USSR and China because they believed in God?
 
Medusa said:
hitler was an atheist :)
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Hitler was not an Atheist. Hitler didnt like organized religion . Hitler was a believer in a God existing.
“ The anti-Semitism of the new movement (Christian Social movement) was based on religious ideas instead of racial knowledge. ”
—Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 3
“ I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty Creator. By warding off the Jews I am fighting for the Lord's work. ”
—Adolph Hitler, Speech, Reichstag, 1936
“ I have followed the Church in giving our party program the character of unalterable finality, like the Creed. The Church has never allowed the Creed to be interfered with. It is fifteen hundred years since it was formulated, but every suggestion for its amendment, every logical criticism, or attack on it, has been rejected. The Church has realized that anything and everything can be built up on a document of that sort, no matter how contradictory or irreconcilable with it. The faithful will swallow it whole, so long as logical reasoning is never allowed to be brought to bear on it. ”
—Adolf Hitler, from Rauschning, _The Voice of Destruction_, pp. 239-40
“ My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly, it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people. And when I look on my people I see them work and work and toil and labor, and at the end of the week they have only for their wages wretchedness and misery. When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil, if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom today this poor people are plundered and exposed. ”
—Adolf Hitler, speech in Munich on April 12, 1922, countering a political opponent, Count Lerchenfeld, who opposed antisemitism on his personal Christian feelings. Published in "My New Order", quoted in Freethought Today April 1990
“ I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator. ”
—Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, pp. 46
Essay:Hitler quotes - RationalWiki
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sangha said:
Why don't you look into how many believers were killed by atheistic govts in the USSR and China because they believed in God?
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Ive seen no evidence of people being killed by the Soviets or China simply for being Theists.
 
sangha said:
Yes, I notice a big difference. The first sentence is true. The second is not
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Well thast cool you as an individual can say whatever you please. But we are not talking about your personally we are talking about Christians as a collective. ANd CHristains believe the the Bible is truly the word of God. SO lets see what the Bible has to say about Atheism.
Psalm 14:1

To the choirmaster. Of David. The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, they do abominable deeds, there is none who does good.


Psalm 53:1

To the choirmaster: according to Mahalath. A Maskil of David. The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, doing abominable iniquity; there is none who does good.


Revelation 21:8

But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.” [note: Atheist are viewed by God as just as bad as all of the really bad people]

1 Timothy 4:1-5

Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared, who forbid marriage and require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, for it is made holy by the word of God and prayer.

Hosea 13:16

Samaria shall bear her guilt, because she has rebelled against her God; they shall fall by the sword; their little ones shall be dashed in pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open.
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The Bible teaches Christians to be prejudice and hateful towards Atheists.
 
Thunder said:
Ive seen no evidence of people being killed by the Soviets or China simply for being Theists.
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There was a lot of it in commie regimes. Now was it atheism going after theism as some here would like you to believe? No, it wasn't. It's the base nature of communist governments which have sprung up. One of their tenets is that there is no challenge to the State, nothing is above the State, not even gods. So they did lead an effort to stamp out religion; but that's mostly due to their authoritative nature and has no bearing at all on atheism.
 
sangha said:
And Bernie Madoff claims directly that he's a nice guy who was misunderstood. The jails are filled with criminals who claim they are innocent. We know they exist. It doesn't mean that what they say is true.

Claims of personal feelings are not objective evidence. Let me know when you have objective evidence that your mother loves you
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And again. Bernie Madoff is a man, proven to be real. He has made actions, which can be recorded and then measured against statements that he makes. There is no like proof or interaction with gods.
 
Medusa said:
dear ikari

if he interacts with you ,the humor of the belief disappears. you should believe in him without any evidence
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**** that bull****. If it wanted me to believe in it, it should either show itself to me or not have made my skeptical nature not as severe.
 
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