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There is no God.

This thread seems off topic to me, and I am an atheist. I like to ask this question whenever someone asks me the question, "Are you an atheist?", I then reply, "Yes, as you are too.", they then reply, "I am not!", I then whitely reply, "Yes you are, do you believe in Pegasis, Zeus, etc etc?", "No", "I just take it one god further."
 
Jryan said:
This thread seems off topic to me, and I am an atheist. I like to ask this question whenever someone asks me the question, "Are you an atheist?", I then reply, "Yes, as you are too.", they then reply, "I am not!", I then whitely reply, "Yes you are, do you believe in Pegasis, Zeus, etc etc?", "No", "I just take it one god further."
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Yeah, actually we've heard that one before. More than once, and it wasn't really that funny the first time.
 
Jryan said:
This thread seems off topic to me, and I am an atheist. I like to ask this question whenever someone asks me the question, "Are you an atheist?", I then reply, "Yes, as you are too.", they then reply, "I am not!", I then whitely reply, "Yes you are, do you believe in Pegasis, Zeus, etc etc?", "No", "I just take it one god further."
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What if they are Hindu? Then you take it 33 "gods" further and a lot of deities.
 
digsbe said:
Why do you have the right to judge Messianic Jews as "bad Jews".....
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because they believe in a faith that has bastardized, distorted, abused, and offended the views of Judaism.

a faith that has anti-Jewish statements and beliefs within its holy book.
 
Jryan said:
It does have truth...
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Not according to the Merriam-Webster dictionary.

Definition of ATHEISM

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archaic : ungodliness, wickedness
2
a : a disbelief in the existence of deity
b : the doctrine that there is no deity
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Atheism - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

If someone believes in a deity of any kind they are not an atheist.

Thunder said:
because they believe in a faith that has bastardized, distorted, abused, and offended the views of Judaism.

a faith that has anti-Jewish statements and beliefs within its holy book.
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That's all in your opinion. Messianic Jews look at the Messianic prophecies and believe that Jesus is the Messiah due to fulfilling them. They believe based on Jewish scriptures and prophecies. You may disagree with them, but I find it a stretch to say that Jews who believe the Jewish scriptures and hold that Jesus is the Messiah due to fulfilling Messianic prophecies is a bastardized, distorted, abused, and offensive view. By the way, is your deism not a bastardization, distortion, and abuse of Jewish doctrine? The Jewish scriptures are pretty clear that God is sovereign and active in the world and continues to be active in the world.
 
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Jryan said:
This thread seems off topic to me, and I am an atheist. I like to ask this question whenever someone asks me the question, "Are you an atheist?", I then reply, "Yes, as you are too.", they then reply, "I am not!", I then whitely reply, "Yes you are, do you believe in Pegasis, Zeus, etc etc?", "No", "I just take it one god further."
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Not if the person you are talking to is a pantheist.
 
zgoldsmith23 said:
What if they are Hindu? Then you take it 33 "gods" further and a lot of deities.
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HA! Now you are not only hypocritical, but intolerant! And you're a deist? You don't even believe in Judaism? My friend, you have failed to exhibit one bit of difference between you and a common gentile! So your mum was jewish...My mom was irish, but that doesn't make me irish!
 
DarkWizard12 said:
HA! Now you are not only hypocritical, but intolerant! And you're a deist? You don't even believe in Judaism? My friend, you have failed to exhibit one bit of difference between you and a common gentile! So your mum was jewish...My mom was irish, but that doesn't make me irish!
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Did you fall off the stupid wagon? I am not a deist.
 
Jryan said:
But the logic is disproving a deity.
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I see, so to disprove a deity you must have solid proof that a deity does not exist. Do you have that proof? Most atheists will say that they lack faith in a deity or don't see any convincing arguments that a deity indeed exists. The logic behind atheism is that there is not sufficient proof to believe that God or that a supernatural exists. The logic behind atheism is not disproving a deity.
 
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DarkWizard12 said:
that's not logic, that's an abuse of. ;)
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Alright, prove to me that their is a god... namely your god. I will set a limit here, you can't say "Because the bible blah blah blah". That doesn't prove anything to any atheist.
 
Sorry to hear the bad news. Fifteen is way too young, but it was still fifteen relatively healthy years that I'm sure were well worth living.
 
zgoldsmith23 said:
Did you fall off the stupid wagon? I am not a deist.
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Forgive me, I quoted the wrong post by accident :/ I meant thunder.

because they believe in a faith that has bastardized, distorted, abused, and offended the views of Judaism.

a faith that has anti-Jewish statements and beliefs within its holy book.
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digsbe said:
...That's all in your opinion. Messianic Jews look at the Messianic prophecies and believe that Jesus is the Messiah due to fulfilling them.....
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which he of course, did not do.

this is why Judaism does not consider Jesus to have been the Messiah.
 
Jryan said:
Alright, prove to me that their is a god... namely your god. I will set a limit here, you can't say "Because the bible blah blah blah". That doesn't prove anything to any atheist.
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Irrelevant to:

This thread seems off topic to me, and I am an atheist. I like to ask this question whenever someone asks me the question, "Are you an atheist?", I then reply, "Yes, as you are too.", they then reply, "I am not!", I then whitely reply, "Yes you are, do you believe in Pegasis, Zeus, etc etc?", "No", "I just take it one god further."
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It's an abuse because it considers only two different stances, when there is more than that.
 
Thunder said:
because they believe in a faith that has bastardized, distorted, abused, and offended the views of Judaism.

a faith that has anti-Jewish statements and beliefs within its holy book.
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HA! Now you are not only hypocritical, but intolerant! And you're a deist? You don't even believe in Judaism? My friend, you have failed to exhibit one bit of difference between you and a common gentile! So your mum was jewish...My mom was irish, but that doesn't make me irish!
 
Thunder said:
which he of course, did not do.
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In your opinion....
this is why Judaism does not consider Jesus to have been the Messiah.
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Some Jews who adhere to Judaism believe Jesus to be the Messiah. Jesus was Jewish, much of the early church was composed of Jews who recognized that Jesus was the Messiah. In essence, Christianity is Judaism that believes that Jesus is the Messiah who has fulfilled the Mosaic law.
 
Moderator's Warning:
Getting a little heated and personal guys. Let's stay within the rules.
 
Jryan said:
Atheism is one stance. You ignored my question/point/whatever you will call it.
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Because it's irrelevant and would only indulge your abuse of logic. This is what you said:
This thread seems off topic to me, and I am an atheist. I like to ask this question whenever someone asks me the question, "Are you an atheist?", I then reply, "Yes, as you are too.", they then reply, "I am not!", I then whitely reply, "Yes you are, do you believe in Pegasis, Zeus, etc etc?", "No", "I just take it one god further."
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And I'm saying your presenting a false choice, for all you know, I could be an atheist, so proving 'my god', would be meaningless.
 
Leo said:
I do not say this lightly, and I apologise if it offends those with deep religious beliefs. But consider this.

I have two cousins, both males; one is 19 and the other will be 15 in December. My younger cousin is a really nice kid. Helpful to his mum, always with a big smile, and never gets into the sort of sh*t most fifteen year olds do. He is no mensa, but quite good at school, and a great cricketer.

Well, several months ago, he started feeling off and bringing up his food. Off to the doctors, then off to have several scans, and they found a sizeable cancer on his oesophagus. Today he is haemorrhaging massively, and on morphine, and his mother is sitting by his hospital bed waiting for her youngest son to die (which will probably be in the next 24-48 hours).

I saw him a few days ago and he was barely strong enough to speak, but I tried talking to him about sport, and stuff he was interested in.

So yeah, I know there's loads more tragic stuff happening around the world, but a really nice kid like him having to go through all that pain and then die is surely no sign of a Divine Being who cares for us. I am not ever setting foot in a church again (well, maybe for his funeral service) and I am finished with the idea of God.

The religious amongst you can all have a go at me - I don't care, and I am not walking on eggshells any more.
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Well "God works in mysterious ways"
 
DarkWizard12 said:
The problem with the OP is that, understandbly, is a person overwhelmed with emotion, and therefore, his own faith is shattered because of his OWN, immature and childish view of God. I bet when he went to whatever religious school, he never really cared to 'think' or 'develop' a serious theology and just nodded his head to whatever his priest told him, and so once life seeked to grey his hair, he sacrifices his belief in God, as if that would solve ANYTHING, considering how useless his unexamined faith was to begin with.

Sorry Leo but, though I sympathize with your problems, what you are doing I neither grasp the logic of, nor does it get any respect from me, which should tell you something considering I am a quick to embrace anyone who has to change their views on God and his existence, due to the 'problem of evil/suffering'.
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Let me explain so that even you might understand my original post.

I have been brought up a Christian (the High Church of England - very like Catholicism, except without a Pope,) and I have been taught from an early age that there is a God who loves all his creation, and looks after every sparrow and field mouse. I have been taught that if you live a good life, obey His commandments, and do no evil to any of His creatures, you will live a happy life and go to Heaven. I have read Psalm 23:4 aloud "Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me."

That is the theory of Christianity - the reality I saw was a 15 year old kid, who never did anybody any harm, who went to the same Sunday schools I did, and whose worst crime was probably wanking to a bit of internet porn, die a more horrible death than I could ever have imagined. Something valuable was snuffed out painfully for no apparent reason.

I am not mad at God; I have simply come to the considered conclusion that a God who allows that to happen is not worthy of my belief - ergo, He does not exist. Life is a series of random occurrences, and the only point of living is the propagation of the species, and the experience of life itself. We are born by chance, we live for a period of time - trying to intellectually justify our existence - and then we die at a totally random time and manner. If we are a part of anything greater, it is simply the physical universe.

I have attacked no one's spiritual beliefs, I have simply given reasons why I can no longer support a belief in a loving God who cares for us. As for my 'unexamined beliefs' - you are being more than presumpteous. I am 18, not 8, and I do not accept what people (least of all those with a vested interest - such as the clergy,) tell me unconditionally, and without question. Do not be so judgmental, particularly about people you do not know.
 
Sorry to hear about your cousins.

You may not believe in God, but He believes in you.

Nuff said.
 
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