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If Heaven Existed, Wouldn't You Be Bored?

Heaven, to me, is relative to each of us... our own individual plane of existence that intersects other's planes of existence but does not intrude or "overwrite" them. In this sense, Heaven is exactly what each of us would want it to be.
 
Hell is what scares you the most right now. Anything that makes you bat **** crazy. That is where you would wind up..surrounded with it.

Heaven is what makes you feel at peace.

It is unique for each soul. And yes, animals have souls. Anything that is alive has a soul. We are all connected. Just too damn stupid to tap in to it.
 
That's a pretty big "if"...
 
If heaven existed people like Jerry Falwell would be my bitch.
 
Pinkie said:
May I ask, what's your vision of Heaven, and why would you want to go?
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Every depiction I've seen and read is a terrible place. No smokey bars with crappy bands, no run down corner stores owned by that really old Korean guy that scowls at everyone, no strip clubs to conduct business at, no business to conduct, no guns, no knives, no explosives, no pot, no coke, no speed, no boots, no leather jackets, no black, no metal, no rock 'n roll, no blues, no fast cars, no big trucks, no armored vehicles, no cannons, no nothing of any interest to me in any way shape, or form.

The depictions of heaven would be my hell, should I ever be forced to go there. They can keep it.
 
DashingAmerican said:
Well, if you believe in heaven then you believe in hell and heaven, though it does sound dull, it is definitely better than hell.
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Heaven is just a word and it has a lot of baggage to it. You could easily say Nirvana, Paradise, etc.

The idea of hell was introduced later than Jesus because some humans needed a way to explain and justify suffering. What they failed to see is that the root of suffering is their own delusions and projections, a relationship which can be changed at will. In other words, anytime you face a hardship in life, how you react to the situation is how you are projecting unto it. Jesus had to've known this because he was able to maintain a state of constant love and compassion for others despite the chaos coming at him.

This can all be heaven or it can all be hell. Christianity is very familiar with the concept of free will, but you have to apply it to everything, including your choice of perception. We have people now talking about the coming apocalypse and what not. Well, they are choosing to live in a hell dimension. There is no reason for it, and any reasons that are made up are just to externally justify an inward perception. Paradise is already here, and it's there when you die. The only difference is that when you're alive you are an ego demanding an explanation for why you are part of the Universe; and when you're dead, the ego is gone and you simply are the Universe.

The key piece of info here is that you can have this connection while you are still alive. It's called being in a state of grace, and there is no middle man or approval process to have it. All that it requires is the choice and intention to do so.

A summary of this whole thing is... heaven and hell is a false duality. God is the unity of dualities. It would be more integrative if you tossed out the notion of hell and just dealt with the notion of heaven. Then you are dealing with one thing, and that One Thing will clue you into your true nature - which is not this "you" who keeps asking superfluous questions.
 
Pinkie said:
Be honest....who hasn't found Heroniomous Bosch's paintings of Hell far more intriguing than Michangelo's paintings of Heaven?
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I admit to being fascinated since childhood by the triptych that has "The Garden of Earthly Delights" in the center. You can't miss the flowers being pulled out of the guy's butt, for example. And the enormous rats carrying off the lost is...terrifying.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Heaven, to me, is relative to each of us... our own individual plane of existence that intersects other's planes of existence but does not intrude or "overwrite" them. In this sense, Heaven is exactly what each of us would want it to be.
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I tend to think that Heaven is a higher order of existence than anything we can currently imagine, probably multi-dimensional as I believe God may be. I think we ourselves will adapt to this environment to become "more" than what we currently are, less intellectually and perceptually limited. I don't think we presently have the mentality or language to adequately understand or describe heaven, which is why attempts to do so often end up in symbolism and allegory or cliches.

I think it will be truly the ultimate adventure and journey of discovery.
 
Enola said:
My idea of heaven is no people. Just animals. Beauty. Wisdom. Peace. Comraderie.
Why do I want to go? Why wouldn't I?
If my dog supposedly is not allowed in people heaven, I am not welcome either. Period.
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Well, if there are four horses of the Apocalypse, there must be horses in heaven. And God hears the fall of every sparrow, so I figure you're good to go...except for the no-people thing. :lol:
 
Lokiate said:
Every depiction I've seen and read is a terrible place. No smokey bars with crappy bands, no run down corner stores owned by that really old Korean guy that scowls at everyone, no strip clubs to conduct business at, no business to conduct, no guns, no knives, no explosives, no pot, no coke, no speed, no boots, no leather jackets, no black, no metal, no rock 'n roll, no blues, no fast cars, no big trucks, no armored vehicles, no cannons, no nothing of any interest to me in any way shape, or form.

The depictions of heaven would be my hell, should I ever be forced to go there. They can keep it.
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I seriously doubt that Hell has any of those amenties either. Perhaps one can get a Flaming Rum Punch... hold the rum.
 
Only problem with heaven is it's an absolute monarchy, so that'd have the libertarians pissed off.
 
Enola said:
Hell is what scares you the most right now. Anything that makes you bat **** crazy. That is where you would wind up..surrounded with it.

Heaven is what makes you feel at peace.

It is unique for each soul. And yes, animals have souls. Anything that is alive has a soul. We are all connected. Just too damn stupid to tap in to it.
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I don't feel afraid at all right now, and I am bat **** crazy all the damn time.
 
I'll pass on the Heavenly Choir bit.

A Holodeck with unlimited possibility will do just fine.
 
Tashah said:
I'll pass on the Heavenly Choir bit.

A Holodeck with unlimited possibility will do just fine.
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Now this would be a great idea as long as no one hits the off switch:)
 
deltabtry said:
Now this would be a great idea as long as no one hits the off switch:)
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No chance, Picard keeps bogarting it whenever the writers can't think of an episode.
 
Enola said:
My idea of heaven is no people. Just animals. Beauty. Wisdom. Peace. Comraderie.
Why do I want to go? Why wouldn't I?
If my dog supposedly is not allowed in people heaven, I am not welcome either. Period.
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"If there are no dogs in Heaven,
then when I die I want to go
where they went."

Will Rogers, 1897-1935

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Heaven just wouldn't be heaven without dogs.

How could we be happy without this?



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If you read NDE'rs view of heaven, it's rarely "puffy white clouds and harps". It's infinity laid out for you to explore, learn, to do taht which you always dreamed, and learn that which you never could know.

Whatever comes after this life, it's beyond our ability to understand or put into words that make sense.

If it's oblivion, then so be it, life IMHO would be a great waste if that is the reality, and I reject that. I don't worry too much about what's to come, I just hope I lived a good life and let the cards, as they were, fall where they may.
 
Goshin said:
I tend to think that Heaven is a higher order of existence than anything we can currently imagine, probably multi-dimensional as I believe God may be. I think we ourselves will adapt to this environment to become "more" than what we currently are, less intellectually and perceptually limited. I don't think we presently have the mentality or language to adequately understand or describe heaven, which is why attempts to do so often end up in symbolism and allegory or cliches.

I think it will be truly the ultimate adventure and journey of discovery.
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I really love this explanation.
 
Pinkie said:
I don't see the problem.
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You can't have a end without a beginning, the universe can be a mathematical equation which can be infinite.
 
This may be a rather unorthodox viewpoint, especially among Christians, but I see it more as "union with God." In other words, we all carry a bit of God with us, and when we die that part goes back to be part of God again. If you don't go to heaven, it's because you chose to separate yourself from God.

If I'm wrong, as long as there's unlimited chicken wings, beer, rock and roll, and football, I'm cool with that.
 
rocket88 said:
This may be a rather unorthodox viewpoint, especially among Christians, but I see it more as "union with God." In other words, we all carry a bit of God with us, and when we die that part goes back to be part of God again. If you don't go to heaven, it's because you chose to separate yourself from God.

If I'm wrong, as long as there's unlimited chicken wings, beer, rock and roll, and football, I'm cool with that.
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The universe can hold creationism and spiritualism at the same time, each has his maker.. God if you will or if they can choose to exist just through randomest. Then again who are we but just a mere mortals that can't even get past the moon currently, who are we to say what is or what isn't.
 
I don't have a dog in the heaven fight. I'll admit up front that that was one of the reasons I parted ways with Christianity. Few people down here want to live like what they think heaven will be! A lot of white people are hoping everyone in heaven will be white or will act white. A lot of black people are hoping everyone in heaven will be black or will act black. Then there are those who say it won't matter, but in this world they don't act like it doesn't' matter. In heaven money won't matter, but here everybody has to have the biggest church, prime time prayer, best selling preacher books and the most prayer buses. Religious competition is huge. So many people here have to go out and convert people and sell their brand of Jesus, but in heaven they believe everyone will be the same.

Who is going to heaven and who isn't? There is no prioritized sin list that I am aware of in the Christian faith. You have the 10C, though you'd be hard pressed to make the point that it was a prioritized sin list. A sin is a sin is a sin but I don't see a whole lot of work being devoted to gluttony. Studies have proven that evangelicals, Baptists and Pentecostals are the fattest of America's faithful. But in America if you are a lardass for the lord just make sure you got that way eating twinkles and fried chicken and not by drinking beer. Apparently in heaven, where apparently gluttony concerning food will be overlooked, you'll be able to have all the grits, fat back and potato salad you want while beer and other spirits will not be served.

In truth heaven has as many definitions as there are believers. Only a few want heaven to be like church because very few sit around wishing that one day could spend forever in church. "Ma, next week can we go to early Mass and then stay for Spanish Mass and then stay for regular Mass? Church is sooooooo much fun. I just love it." :rolleyes:





"Everybody wants to go to heaven, but nobody wants to die." ~ Peter Tosh
 
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