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Kyle Phoenix

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hey there,

I was wondering if there are any other communists active on debate politics.com. The Profile Statistics do make it seem like a drop in the ocean of the total membership with 0.46%.

I have been a communist for over ten years and, although I remain sympathetic, I have lost the enthusiasm of the old days when I first started out. So I'm still curious to get to know if there are any other reds out there. :)
 
Don't worry, DP is loaded with commies, but most of them are too embarrassed to admit what they are.
 
I lean to the left of the Birchers, so I've been called a commie. I like for people to have health care, so that makes me a commie.
 
Kyle Phoenix said:
hey there,

I was wondering if there are any other communists active on debate politics.com. The Profile Statistics do make it seem like a drop in the ocean of the total membership with 0.46%.

I have been a communist for over ten years and, although I remain sympathetic, I have lost the enthusiasm of the old days when I first started out. So I'm still curious to get to know if there are any other reds out there. :)
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Not me. But I welcome honesty, though diametrically opposed yet open to honest and forthright discussion/debate. There is common ground btx democracy and communism, though not btx privatism/capitalism and communism. Yes, democracy and capitalism work quite well together.
 
aociswundumho said:
Don't worry, DP is loaded with commies, but most of them are too embarrassed to admit what they are.
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Sometimes it makes for a more quiet life than. You just want to get along with people sometimes and try to pretend to be a normal person. ;)

Helix said:
I lean to the left of the Birchers, so I've been called a commie. I like for people to have health care, so that makes me a commie.
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Well, free Healthcare is basically the gateway drug for socialism. Particularly all those free prescription drugs. We have to get you hooked some how. :D

bluesmoke said:
Not me. But I welcome honesty, though diametrically opposed yet open to honest and forthright discussion/debate. There is common ground btx democracy and communism, though not btx privatism/capitalism and communism. Yes, democracy and capitalism work quite well together.
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Thanks. I do try to be as honest and as open to debate as I can. :)
 
Kyle Phoenix said:
Sometimes it makes for a more quiet life than. You just want to get along with people sometimes and try to pretend to be a normal person. ;)



Well, free Healthcare is basically the gateway drug for socialism. Particularly all those free prescription drugs. We have to get you hooked some how. :D



Thanks. I do try to be as honest and as open to debate as I can. :)
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First world health care isn't free, but it is vastly more efficient than our system is.
 
Helix said:
First world health care isn't free, but it is vastly more efficient than our system is.
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Yeah. I don't know a great deal about America's healthcare system but I haven't heard anything good. I still enjoy watching Episodes of House MD though, even if it is meant to be private health care. You may have got Hugh Laurie as a British export, but I'm sure you would have preferred a National Health Service instead.
 

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Kyle Phoenix said:
Yeah. I don't know a great deal about America's healthcare system but I haven't heard anything good. I still enjoy watching Episodes of House MD though, even if it is meant to be private health care. You may have got Hugh Laurie as a British export, but I'm sure you would have preferred a National Health Service instead.
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I've watched that show a bit. Not bad.

Basically, health care here is vastly dependent on where you work and how well off you are. Some legacy workers have great care and don't pay much at all. Others fall through holes in coverage and lose their asses. If you're poor enough, you might have good coverage until you make too much money. Others might think they have good coverage and find out that they don't when it's too late. It's a piss poor distribution system for care that is generally overpriced but good. That's the best short summary I can give you.
 
Helix said:
First world health care isn't free, but it is vastly more efficient than our system is.
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You are only considering cost not benefit. The word free applies to those who are on the receiving end of the health care system and cannot afford to pay for the costs involved.
 
soylentgreen said:
You are only considering cost not benefit. The word free applies to those who are on the receiving end of the health care system and cannot afford to pay for the costs involved.
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I'm considering both. Other countries have better distribution systems.
 
Kyle Phoenix said:
hey there,

I was wondering if there are any other communists active on debate politics.com. The Profile Statistics do make it seem like a drop in the ocean of the total membership with 0.46%.

I have been a communist for over ten years and, although I remain sympathetic, I have lost the enthusiasm of the old days when I first started out. So I'm still curious to get to know if there are any other reds out there. :)
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Yeah/nah.

There are a lot of americans whose greatest amount of research on the subject was to type dictionary.com into a search bar. And you know the debate is nearing its end when they start putting words like guns and liberty into their posts.

So what kind of communist are you? It's rather a vague description like calling yourself a painter and not mentioning if its walls or canvas. Myself, i started with mao's little red book in high school and ended with monty pythons big red book.
 
Helix said:
I'm considering both. Other countries have better distribution systems.
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The better in that distribution system is the fact that the public can expect to receive medical assistance and it will not be based on their ability to pay for all of the costs of treatment.

However if you mean distribution just as in the health providers having the available staff, equipment , beds or drugs then no sadly not quite true. It can still provide a quite adequate operation as long as it is not being put into overtime with a pandemic.
 
soylentgreen said:
Yeah/nah.

There are a lot of americans whose greatest amount of research on the subject was to type dictionary.com into a search bar. And you know the debate is nearing its end when they start putting words like guns and liberty into their posts.

So what kind of communist are you? It's rather a vague description like calling yourself a painter and not mentioning if its walls or canvas. Myself, i started with mao's little red book in high school and ended with monty pythons big red book.
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When I started out in my teens, I was a Trotskyist. But I did read a few really good books on Marxist philosophy that meant I shifted more in the Marxist-Leninist direction as I came to appreciate some of the nuances more. I've never been particularly pro-Stalin, so it's always been a bit of a juggling act between being intrigued by the philosophy and appalled by the historical results and death tolls. Communism just never seems to have a happy ending.:D

I was a member of the Communist Party of Britain for less than a year (it was the biggest one in the UK, so it was a logical first place to start) and I considered joining the Communist Party of Great Britain (Marxist-Leninist) but I decided against it was they are too extreme. I've become more moderate since then but the influence remains strong. In most elections my first preference is voting Green, but otherwise I'll vote Labour. At the moment, I tend to think things are so screwed up that "eventually" a new economic and political model is going to be necessary. I would put climate change and environmental problems at the top of the list of things which need that to happen.
 
Helix said:
I've watched that show a bit. Not bad.

Basically, health care here is vastly dependent on where you work and how well off you are. Some legacy workers have great care and don't pay much at all. Others fall through holes in coverage and lose their asses. If you're poor enough, you might have good coverage until you make too much money. Others might think they have good coverage and find out that they don't when it's too late. It's a piss poor distribution system for care that is generally overpriced but good. That's the best short summary I can give you.
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I have heard that people have lost their healthcare coverage because they lost their jobs during the pandemic. It is really hard to understand how people thought tying healthcare to employment was a good idea under the circumstances.
 
soylentgreen said:
The better in that distribution system is the fact that the public can expect to receive medical assistance and it will not be based on their ability to pay for all of the costs of treatment.

However if you mean distribution just as in the health providers having the available staff, equipment , beds or drugs then no sadly not quite true. It can still provide a quite adequate operation as long as it is not being put into overtime with a pandemic.
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I mean that I support single payer independent of where someone lives or works.
 
Kyle Phoenix said:
I have heard that people have lost their healthcare coverage because they lost their jobs during the pandemic. It is really hard to understand how people thought tying healthcare to employment was a good idea under the circumstances.
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The way I understand it, the health insurance benefit was a way around salary freezes during WWII. After that, people didn't want it to change. These days, right wingers will threaten secession if you don't let the system drain every last cent they have.
 
Kyle Phoenix said:
hey there,

I was wondering if there are any other communists active on debate politics.com. The Profile Statistics do make it seem like a drop in the ocean of the total membership with 0.46%.

I have been a communist for over ten years and, although I remain sympathetic, I have lost the enthusiasm of the old days when I first started out. So I'm still curious to get to know if there are any other reds out there. :)
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Lets just say i have enough similar goals that we can get along just fine.
 
Kyle Phoenix said:
hey there,

I was wondering if there are any other communists active on debate politics.com. The Profile Statistics do make it seem like a drop in the ocean of the total membership with 0.46%.

I have been a communist for over ten years and, although I remain sympathetic, I have lost the enthusiasm of the old days when I first started out. So I'm still curious to get to know if there are any other reds out there. :)
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I know I'm going to catch **** for this, but I'm too lazy to google. Can anyone give me an example of a successful communist country ever? And I'm not talking about authoritarian kleptocracies calling themselves communist!
 
Lutherf said:
A lot of them don't even know that they're commies.
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Day after day it is evident from their posts their thinking coincides with Marxism. The very things they condone are tactics that Marxist have always used. And yes I don't think they even realize it. They are sheeple.
 
Lutherf said:
A lot of them don't even know that they're commies.
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I see commies. They don't even know they're commies. They only see what they want to see. I see them all the time. Grandma took the bumblebee pin because she likes it.
 
lurchadams said:
I know I'm going to catch **** for this, but I'm too lazy to google. Can anyone give me an example of a successful communist country ever? And I'm not talking about authoritarian kleptocracies calling themselves communist!
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Most countries ruled by communist parties (which we'll call "communist countries" for the sake of argument) had fairly mixed records, with some successes as well as failures. There isn't any reason to exclude them from consideration as Marxism and Communism do entail authoritarian systems of government based on the "dictatorship" of the proletariat/working class, particularly with Stalin's innovations in Marxist theory based on the "aggravation of the class struggle under socialism". There are really only two exceptions I can think of outside of the Marxist-Leninist model, both Anarchist-Communism, in Ukraine (during the Russian Civil War) and Catalonia (during the Spanish Civil War) but they only lasted a few years.

So it really depends what you mean by "successful"?
 
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