Drunk purchases gone too far!!!!!

Anyone ever done a dumbass drunk purchase over the internet?

I did one literally yesterday, bought a 1873 trapdoor springfield in armory condition, why because I was drunk. Granted I always wanted such a magnificent piece of american history, and I technically have the money for it, I however like to save my money and stay well above what I need between paychecks. This was a real drunk off my ass oh that looks cool purchase, so question is who else has done this, I know many will deny but have done the same!

If it's a vintage one that's pretty cool. If it's a replica that's still cool but not COOL.

The Springfield trapdoor lost some of its cachet after Custer's men were carrying them at the Little Bighorn

Lutherf said:

If it's a vintage one that's pretty cool. If it's a replica that's still cool but not COOL.

The Springfield trapdoor lost some of its cachet after Custer's men were carrying them at the Little Bighorn

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it is original from 1884 right before they switched models, or atleast that is what all this pictures show, won't get it til friday or saturday.

beerftw said:

Anyone ever done a dumbass drunk purchase over the internet?

I did one literally yesterday, bought a 1873 trapdoor springfield in armory condition, why because I was drunk. Granted I always wanted such a magnificent piece of american history, and I technically have the money for it, I however like to save my money and stay well above what I need between paychecks. This was a real drunk off my ass oh that looks cool purchase, so question is who else has done this, I know many will deny but have done the same!

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You might want to consider a more complicated password or security arrangement you cant bypass when drunk. This of course presumes you wish to continue to get drunk.

beerftw said:

Anyone ever done a dumbass drunk purchase over the internet?

I did one literally yesterday, bought a 1873 trapdoor springfield in armory condition, why because I was drunk. Granted I always wanted such a magnificent piece of american history, and I technically have the money for it, I however like to save my money and stay well above what I need between paychecks. This was a real drunk off my ass oh that looks cool purchase, so question is who else has done this, I know many will deny but have done the same!

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Similar to "a drunk man's words are a sober man's thoughts", drunk buying is simply what the sober person desires, but puts off for one reason or another. Drunks tend to be impulsive.

Yes, I'm guilty of drunk Amazon shopping. I have a nice collection of flags and little electronic gadgets plus a one ounce chunk of meteorite.

PirateMk1 said:

You might want to consider a more complicated password or security arrangement you cant bypass when drunk. This of course presumes you wish to continue to get drunk.

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I am pretty good about not buying stuff untill something really awesome crosses my path, part of my problem is collecting guns I can afford but should not, and the internet allows me to buy them when drunk and pick them up sober when it is too late to change my mind when I realized I spent too much reserve money on a luxury I did not need.

beerftw said:

Anyone ever done a dumbass drunk purchase over the internet?

I did one literally yesterday, bought a 1873 trapdoor springfield in armory condition, why because I was drunk. Granted I always wanted such a magnificent piece of american history, and I technically have the money for it, I however like to save my money and stay well above what I need between paychecks. This was a real drunk off my ass oh that looks cool purchase, so question is who else has done this, I know many will deny but have done the same!

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Assuming it's what you thought you were buying, you'll decide over time if it's right for you. It sounds really cool to me.

I have an 1865 50-70 trapdoor - very rare - with matching bayonet (even rarer as neither the 58 musket nor 45-70 bayonet fits it). The 45-70 trapdoors are common as dirt and they used to sell them out of barns where they were stacked like huge wood piles as military surplus 45-70s mail order for next to nothing as the military used the 45-70 for many years. Nearly all Trapdoors for sale are 45-70s. The 50-70 was transitional between the 58 and 45 caliber. The 45-70s are collectible because all trapdoors are, but they are not rare. They were the poor man's hunting rifle for a very long time.

beerftw said:

I am pretty good about not buying stuff untill something really awesome crosses my path, part of my problem is collecting guns I can afford but should not, and the internet allows me to buy them when drunk and pick them up sober when it is too late to change my mind when I realized I spent too much reserve money on a luxury I did not need.

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I'm with you on that. I have dozens of firearms I purchased online - most of which are antique. Then again, that is how I got most of my coolest, rarest and best bargains (though burned a few times too). Online shopping can be addictive. Is it really a bargain if all you are going to do is put it in a safe and never see or use it?

joko104 said:

I'm with you on that. I have dozens of firearms I purchased online - most of which are antique. Then again, that is how I got most of my coolest, rarest and best bargains (though burned a few times too). Online shopping can be addictive. Is it really a bargain if all you are going to do is put it in a safe and never see or use it?

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I actually wanted a 45-70 to shoot, it may be true drunk purchases are sober desires without common sense and sobriety to act as a check. My problem is it is relegated to blackpowder only which is 2 bucks per round, which is not much more that smokeless cowboy rounds at 1.50 per round, I realize this is one of those few rounds where reloading is cheaper.

joko104 said:

I have an 1865 50-70 trapdoor - very rare - with matching bayonet (even rarer as neither the 58 musket nor 45-70 bayonet fits it). The 45-70 trapdoors are common as dirt and they used to sell them out of barns where they were stacked like huge wood piles as military surplus 45-70s mail order for next to nothing as the military used the 45-70 for many years. Nearly all Trapdoors for sale are 45-70s. The 50-70 was transitional between the 58 and 45 caliber. The 45-70s are collectible because all trapdoors are, but they are not rare. They were the poor man's hunting rifle for a very long time.

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There are some 50-70's for sale where I got my 45-70. Fyi 45-70 was common as dirt decades ago, much like my great grandfather bought a civil war musket because they were common and cheap in his day, but nowadays 600 bucks is usually a torn up unfirable 1873 model and upwards of 1200-1800 bucks for a halfway decent one, granted some show up around 600 still in good fireable condition but they are drying up, and becomeing very rare.

Lutherf said:

If it's a vintage one that's pretty cool. If it's a replica that's still cool but not COOL.

The Springfield trapdoor lost some of its cachet after Custer's men were carrying them at the Little Bighorn

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Custer had turned down Gatlin guns and waiting for the Spencer repeating rifle because Native Americans NEVER stood their ground to fight. They ALWAYS fled, trying to save their children, elderly and women. However, Custer previously had totally slaughtered a peaceful tribe so - unheard of before - various tribes united. Custer figured all he would be doing is running down little villages running for their lives - slaughtering each one along the way. So all that mattered to him was speed. Even after the victory, the NAs did not continue to take the whole territory. Instead, they each returned to their own villages and made a run for it.

Custer's own men were incompetent in many ways. Unlike the movie, the fight mostly was both sides shooting at each other from a distance. Only in the end was their direct charging and running the fleeing remain Army soldiers down. Although told to save their last bullet for themselves, some couldn't do it, so were quickly but brutally killed. There were no prisoners to be taken.

Custer's men were untrained in defensive warfare since that NEVER happened before in that region - so not only did they spread out way too far between each other, but they were in such a panic they were not adjusting their rifles for windage as the NAs moved in closer - being set at 500 yards for targets at 300 yards - so the bullets all flying way over the NA's heads. It was nuts to think a 45-70 Trapdoor is good for 500 yards anyway. Basically all rounds fired by Custer's troops were wasted shots.

Custer was a genocidal maniac, a true sociopath. He used NA women and child as human shields, would offer terms of surrender and then slaughter all the men, and make a peace agreement upon the NAs turning in most their rifles - then attack and slaughter every NA - total kill. While the government tried to clean up that history, he was a mass murderer who believed he could build his fame and career by wholesale slaughtering all NAs, even villages and tribes that had always done everything the government had ordered them to do, including relocating.

Settlers in the West wanted the NAs dead, eliminated, not just to be peaceful away on their reservation. They wanted the reservation land too. Custer operated under "the only good Indian is a dead Indian" in the most literal sense. Even many of his first troops hated him for it.

Nope.

Worst I've done is order two of the same thing, having forgotten about the first order.

beerftw said:

There are some 50-70's for sale where I got my 45-70. Fyi 45-70 was common as dirt decades ago, much like my great grandfather bought a civil war musket because they were common and cheap in his day, but nowadays 600 bucks is usually a torn up unfirable 1873 model and upwards of 1200-1800 bucks for a halfway decent one, granted some show up around 600 still in good fireable condition but they are drying up, and becoming very rare.

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I had no idea they had become that valuable. My 50-70 is in good condition (not excellent), completely usable and I have 100 rounds new ammo for it (huge cartridges and bullets). I had the weak ejection thin steel strip replaced so it fires as good as new because the bore is good. My 1865 is the "First Allin", with the 1866 50-70 the "Second Allin." Most 50-70s were cut down in length or later just scrapped.

I bought mine many years ago and was told it is extremely rare in that it appears to have been an experimental transition rifle - stamped 1865 but in 50-70, when the 1865 was in 58-70. He told to "hang onto this as it is rare. The barrel was sleeved down to 50-70 for transitional testing" and why nearly no trapdoor bayonet will fit it. That was his claim anyway. I do know it is 50-70 (not 58-70), but that a 50-70 bayonet has too small a diameter for the barrel, requiring a 58 caliber bayonet found on the 58 caliber musket, but requiring a modest change. So the exterior diameter of the barrel is the same as a 58 caliber, but the bore is 50 caliber.

Personally, I think the Martini–Henry .577/450 was a vastly superior rifle and I have a Mark 1 first model (what was used in the Zulu wars). However, the original ammo casing for the Martini–Henry was crap. I have the bayonet and ammo for it too - the superior sword bayonet, meaning for mid ranking officers. Regular troops got a shovel bayonet. The ranking officer had a pistol and sword. The theory was that the sword is for giving direction and shows authority, so if the ranking officer was killed, the next ranking officer was to remove his sword bayonet and use it for direction and to show authority. Rank was a huge deal in the British military back then.

beerftw said:

Anyone ever done a dumbass drunk purchase over the internet?

I did one literally yesterday, bought a 1873 trapdoor springfield in armory condition, why because I was drunk. Granted I always wanted such a magnificent piece of american history, and I technically have the money for it, I however like to save my money and stay well above what I need between paychecks. This was a real drunk off my ass oh that looks cool purchase, so question is who else has done this, I know many will deny but have done the same!

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I don't drink, but eBay & Amazon have definitely caused me some damage. I can only imagine if I drank!

beerftw said:

Anyone ever done a dumbass drunk purchase over the internet?

I did one literally yesterday, bought a 1873 trapdoor springfield in armory condition, why because I was drunk. Granted I always wanted such a magnificent piece of american history, and I technically have the money for it, I however like to save my money and stay well above what I need between paychecks. This was a real drunk off my ass oh that looks cool purchase, so question is who else has done this, I know many will deny but have done the same!

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Never did a drunken online order as I would be too woozy to see the credit card digits. I have however, made some really really poor food choices while drunk. I will eat just about anything put in front of me when I am wasted.

Mr Person said:

Nope.

Worst I've done is order two of the same thing, having forgotten about the first order.

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LOL. One time I ordered two chairs that came, then came two more, then came two more, then came two more. It was a glitch on their side but the problem was returning the extra six that came because they could not generate the return label for six chairs when their computer was only showing they had sent me two once. Turned out their system created a new account with each two it sent so they weren't showing up on my account when they looked it up but it took them months to figure it out so the chairs just sat there. I wasn't going to open them knowing eventually I would have to pay for them or return them. It wasn't until the mystery accounts all ended up in their collections department that I was able to get it straightened out and the others returned.

Drawdown said:

LOL. One time I ordered two chairs that came, then came two more, then came two more, then came two more. It was a glitch on their side but the problem was returning the extra six that came because they could not generate the return label for six chairs when their computer was only showing they had sent me two once. Turned out their system created a new account with each two it sent so they weren't showing up on my account when they looked it up but it took them months to figure it out so the chairs just sat there. I wasn't going to open them knowing eventually I would have to pay for them or return them. It wasn't until the mystery accounts all ended up in their collections department that I was able to get it straightened out and the others returned.

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You are an honest person. Most people who receive something they didn't order and pay for just keep it.

joko104 said:

You are an honest person. Most people who receive something they didn't order and pay for just keep it.

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I didn't need six extra chairs. Otherwise, who knows :shock:

beerftw said:

Anyone ever done a dumbass drunk purchase over the internet?

I did one literally yesterday, bought a 1873 trapdoor springfield in armory condition, why because I was drunk. Granted I always wanted such a magnificent piece of american history, and I technically have the money for it, I however like to save my money and stay well above what I need between paychecks. This was a real drunk off my ass oh that looks cool purchase, so question is who else has done this, I know many will deny but have done the same!

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On my way home from a bar last night i fell off diet and cheated with a cheesesteak, a fruitsmoothie, and a chocolate bar. Totally crashed my diet that i have been for months.

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I had way too many beers at the 19th hole at my home golf course with a quite few buddies of the men's golf association.

One of the guys sold me 3 dozen Titleist Pro-V1's for for $30.00 per dozen. Awsome Deal ....right?! (normal retail was $48.00)

3 days later I realized that I had left my locker open and he took them to set up the prank.

joko104 said:

I had no idea they had become that valuable. My 50-70 is in good condition (not excellent), completely usable and I have 100 rounds new ammo for it (huge cartridges and bullets). I had the weak ejection thin steel strip replaced so it fires as good as new because the bore is good. My 1865 is the "First Allin", with the 1866 50-70 the "Second Allin." Most 50-70s were cut down in length or later just scrapped.

I bought mine many years ago and was told it is extremely rare in that it appears to have been an experimental transition rifle - stamped 1865 but in 50-70, when the 1865 was in 58-70. He told to "hang onto this as it is rare. The barrel was sleeved down to 50-70 for transitional testing" and why nearly no trapdoor bayonet will fit it. That was his claim anyway. I do know it is 50-70 (not 58-70), but that a 50-70 bayonet has too small a diameter for the barrel, requiring a 58 caliber bayonet found on the 58 caliber musket, but requiring a modest change. So the exterior diameter of the barrel is the same as a 58 caliber, but the bore is 50 caliber.

Personally, I think the Martini–Henry .577/450 was a vastly superior rifle and I have a Mark 1 first model (what was used in the Zulu wars). However, the original ammo casing for the Martini–Henry was crap. I have the bayonet and ammo for it too - the superior sword bayonet, meaning for mid ranking officers. Regular troops got a shovel bayonet. The ranking officer had a pistol and sword. The theory was that the sword is for giving direction and shows authority, so if the ranking officer was killed, the next ranking officer was to remove his sword bayonet and use it for direction and to show authority. Rank was a huge deal in the British military back then.

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The 50-70 is worth more in good shape than the 45-70, however I have seen many 50-70s go cheap because they were pitted and rusted beyond anything but a collectors item.

In terms of value in the 1970's they were probably still digging out originals from old stock, the us last issued the 1873/1884 in ww1 to militias, and how long they stayed in stock is a mystery but likely the reason they stayed cheap. I imagine by the 70's the govt was clearing out the last of the stockpiles of them they had, many hit the market and got sporterized. These guns are still common enough you can buy an original but not common enough anymore to be cheap.

But I noticed price increases on old staturday night specials like h&r and iver johnson, guns that a decade ago even models from the 1880's went for 40-60 bucks at pawn shops, now they want 180-250 for a poor one and much more for one in nice shape, it is just supply and demand, supply dried up and demand exceeded it.

Drunk purchase update, got the rifle, pulled out so much rust to find the bore was surprisingly shiny with only a tiny ring of pitting, not bad for a rifle over 100 years old. The barrel has only a tiny amount of bluing left on the barrel but it has a near perfect browning.

The bad, the firing pin was siezed and broken, had to order on of those, the thumb latch spring was also missing. The gun itself has a reciever from 1886, hammer and trigger from 1873 and stock dated 1884. The door on the trapdoor reciever has 1884 model stamped on it, which the army did not do until 1887 as 1884-86 model 1884's were not marked and the proper 1884 model was not built until late 1885. So it is unknown if this was a bannerman parts gun made of surplus parts the army sold, or arsenal repairs as the army then would often merge broken rifles to make functioning ones, springfield did as well but they stamped a star by the serial number to show if it was factory rebuilt with other rifle parts. Looking at how it does not have the usual bannerman rigging to make it work my guess would be that it was arsenal repaired at some point and possibly went through further repairs after it's army service.

Either way I love these guns so drunk me probably said go for it, plus 45-70 is a boss round, it has the knockout power to eradicate the american bison, yet does not tear up smaller game up high velocity rounds do. I plan to upload pictures in a little bit.

my phone is terrible at taking pictures.

Lutherf said:

If it's a vintage one that's pretty cool. If it's a replica that's still cool but not COOL.

The Springfield trapdoor lost some of its cachet after Custer's men were carrying them at the Little Bighorn

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It should've been the US army cavalry who should've lost their cachet as a result of that battle, not the trapdoor Springfield. Custer's horrible tactics were the reason they were massacred. Repeating rifles were available by that time, and since the cavalry didn't operate as stationary, long range snipers, they didn't need that particular rifle. What they needed was what the Indians had, repeating rifles! From the closer ranges that cavalry typically engage from, either the .44 rim fire or the .56-56 of the 1860 or 1866 Winchesters or Spencer lever action carbines would've been a much more obvious choice to arm them with.

The Trapdoor was acceptable in the late 1860s as an infantry rifle for firing at ranges over 100 yards. But they would've been outclassed by any single shot rifle of the period, using them the way they did.