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    Re: He many not be pretty, but he identifies as a she...

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Identity Politics is a Leftist tool. You really should bone-up on it. To claim itís of the Right is fall-down funny.
    My claim was that both parties engage in identity politics.

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    Re: He many not be pretty, but he identifies as a she...

    Quote Originally Posted by dairyair View Post
    True according to who? What?
    Every cell has chromosomes and each one identifies the person - or any other mammal - as male or female. That is real or, if one likes, 'true'. 'Gender' is merely a construct, invented quite recently by idiot academics; it is entirely imaginary, as is its derivative 'transgender'.

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    Re: He many not be pretty, but he identifies as a she...

    This person wants to be called "she", and so does my wife. Words don't exist to describe the difference between the 'woman' on camera and my wife, therefore that difference can't be expressed.

    Anyone choosing to marry a biological female over the 'person' in the video constitutes discrimination based on sexual identity.

    For the record, I'm guilty of that discrimination despite being forced to use the same terms to describe my wife's identity and this person in the video.
    Let's treat ourselves like we treat our fellow man. I'm moving my family to the Pine Ridge reservation. Who's with me?

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    Re: He many not be pretty, but he identifies as a she...

    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    That is where you are wrong. It is not about feeling. And it's funny that you asked that question because you haven't explained what this "feeling" is. What is a "feminine feeling"?
    No, it is about identity. They seem themselves as in the wrong bodies. Why are their bodies wrong? Because they aren't female!!! Also, their brains' gender is the opposite (MRI studies suggest it), so naturally they would see themselves as female and GASP! behave like a female!

    And no I haven't gone to the opposite side. I am trying to educate him on this issue. He is is ignorant. He thinks you can just choose to be transgender willy nilly. And he thinks the man in the video is actually a TG. I simply disagree because there is no way to be sure unless you have some kind of idea about the man.
    I was asking you to explain what a feminine "feeling" or "behavior" is. Your argument is that *real* transgender women act like women. I am simply asking what acting like women means. You are saying their bodies are wrong and that they have a mismatch between body and brain - that they have a brain of a woman? Or is it the soul of a woman?

    Self identification means one absolutely can declare themselves transgender and there is no measure or diagnostic tool involved at all. One does not exist anyway. That is what activists have been fighting for - the desire to self declare and not require some sort of proof from a therapist or doctor. I understand why they have wanted to get rid of all of the gatekeeping but now there is a lot of confusion about what transgender means and how to determine one's gender identity. This is particularly critical when one is deciding to chemically or surgically alter their body - even more critical when discussing minors and young adults.

    You cited the MRI study:
    Scientists have found no innate gender area of the brain which is fixed at birth.

    Children's brains are very plastic (neuroplasticity). They are constantly absorbing what is around them.

    There is no 100% male or female brain which people are born with. There may be trends but there is no absolute marker of sex in the brain. Research in neuroscience has consistently showed that. Children develop their own personality, interests and behaviors regardless of their biological sex - so what they play with or how they dress does not indicate that they have a mismatch of body and brain. Additionally, it is harmful to suggest to children that their body is wrong or mismatched.
    For people to have a brain/body mismatch it must be shown that there is a "pink" or "blue" brain. Good video here YouTube

    The MRI study you are likely speaking of was done post-mortem, and they were on MtF who were on cross sex hormones which we know changes the brain. There simply is not the science to prove a biological basis for gender dysphoria or the mismatch body and brain hypothesis. Unbiased information and conclusions are hard to come by since there are so many people invested in a particular outcome.

    The science does not show a purely biological basis for cross sex identities. What about gender fluid or agender? I don't think there has to be a biological basis to accept that some people manage their distress about their sex role in society by living as the opposite sex and others have different reasons for transition.





    I said each of you have gone to opposite corners meaning you are so far apart that neither can entertain the others' position or any grey areas in their own. I think that is unfortunate.

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    Re: He many not be pretty, but he identifies as a she...

    Quote Originally Posted by Sweden View Post
    Every cell has chromosomes and each one identifies the person - or any other mammal - as male or female. That is real or, if one likes, 'true'. 'Gender' is merely a construct, invented quite recently by idiot academics; it is entirely imaginary, as is its derivative 'transgender'.
    Your expertise on the subject stems from where?

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    Re: He many not be pretty, but he identifies as a she...

    Quote Originally Posted by ProgressPlease View Post
    I was asking you to explain what a feminine "feeling" or "behavior" is. Your argument is that *real* transgender women act like women. I am simply asking what acting like women means. You are saying their bodies are wrong and that they have a mismatch between body and brain - that they have a brain of a woman? Or is it the soul of a woman?

    Self identification means one absolutely can declare themselves transgender and there is no measure or diagnostic tool involved at all. One does not exist anyway. That is what activists have been fighting for - the desire to self declare and not require some sort of proof from a therapist or doctor. I understand why they have wanted to get rid of all of the gatekeeping but now there is a lot of confusion about what transgender means and how to determine one's gender identity. This is particularly critical when one is deciding to chemically or surgically alter their body - even more critical when discussing minors and young adults.

    You cited the MRI study:
    Scientists have found no innate gender area of the brain which is fixed at birth.

    Children's brains are very plastic (neuroplasticity). They are constantly absorbing what is around them.

    There is no 100% male or female brain which people are born with. There may be trends but there is no absolute marker of sex in the brain. Research in neuroscience has consistently showed that. Children develop their own personality, interests and behaviors regardless of their biological sex - so what they play with or how they dress does not indicate that they have a mismatch of body and brain. Additionally, it is harmful to suggest to children that their body is wrong or mismatched.
    For people to have a brain/body mismatch it must be shown that there is a "pink" or "blue" brain. Good video here YouTube

    The MRI study you are likely speaking of was done post-mortem, and they were on MtF who were on cross sex hormones which we know changes the brain. There simply is not the science to prove a biological basis for gender dysphoria or the mismatch body and brain hypothesis. Unbiased information and conclusions are hard to come by since there are so many people invested in a particular outcome.

    The science does not show a purely biological basis for cross sex identities. What about gender fluid or agender? I don't think there has to be a biological basis to accept that some people manage their distress about their sex role in society by living as the opposite sex and others have different reasons for transition.





    I said each of you have gone to opposite corners meaning you are so far apart that neither can entertain the others' position or any grey areas in their own. I think that is unfortunate.
    Transgender brains are more like their desired gender from an early age -- ScienceDaily

    Why is that unfortunate for me? It's unfortunate for him. I understand his position. I am trying to get him to see the light.

    The argument is like this:
    "Being gay is a choice and you can decide to be gay one day."
    "No you cannot. One is born either gay or not."
    "Nuh huh uh."

    Would you "entertain" that person's position? Or try to help him understand? Transgenderism is a MEDICAL condition. When he says that one can choose to be a transgender person, that means he was BORN that way. If the man isn't a transgender woman, he is a transvestite as per the definition.

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    Re: He many not be pretty, but he identifies as a she...

    Quote Originally Posted by dairyair View Post
    Your expertise on the subject stems from where?
    Reading books like the excellent 'Madness of Crowds' by Douglas Murray, my knowledge of science, and good old much undervalued common sense.

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    Re: He many not be pretty, but he identifies as a she...

    Quote Originally Posted by Sweden View Post
    Reading books like the excellent 'Madness of Crowds' by Douglas Murray, my knowledge of science, and good old much undervalued common sense.
    Common sense only works if you have all the data.
    Otherwise, it's just imaginary.

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