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The unforgivable, inexcusable stupidity of Hitler's assassin, Claus Von Stauffenberg!

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In 1944, a very large number of German military, police and Intel officers devised a very complex, well organized plan to not only kill Hitler, but to quickly take control of the German government, after his successful assassination. The actual assassination was probably one of the simplest tasks, requiring only that an already trusted and well respected Wehrmacht colonel walk into a top level staff meeting, and place a bomb under a table where Hitler would be discussing strategy etc. The assassin was, Colonel Claus Philipp Maria Justinian Schenk Graf von Stauffenberg". He was a count.

The high explosives used were made up of 2 separate, compact explosive charges, each with its own detonator. These 2 charges fit snugly inside Von Stauffenberg's leather brief case. Before placing the bomb in the meeting room, he first found a private room, where he went to set up the 2 charges, by installing a detonator in each one, then placing them back in the brief case and placing it under the meeting room table, with timers set to explode during the meeting.



But he hit a 'snag'. One of the detonators seemed to be defective, so he set the 1 remaining detonator onto 1 of the explosive charges, placed that 1 charge into the brief case, but removed the 2nd charge, apparently due to a stupid, wrong-headed assumption that the 2nd charge would not explode without a detonator. He placed the brief case under the large, thick table in the meeting room, left the premises, and hoped for the best.

Unfortunately, with only 1/2 the originally planned amount of explosives in the device, it FAILED to kill Hitler! The THICK, solid table leg shielded Hitler from the blast, although many died, and there was much destruction. Here's why this failed, due to Von Stauffenberg's inexcusable ignorance. High explosives cannot be set off with simple fuses used with fireworks. They are very dangerous, and therefore designed to NOT explode easily. They require a "detonation" of another, usually much smaller device, ie. a 'detonator'. But here's the part that ANY moron with 2 weeks worth of military experience SHOULD KNOW..... If you set explosive charges near each other, the explosion of ANY one of them, will instantaneously 'detonate' ALL the other nearby charges! This is elementary 'Mythbuster's' level knowledge!

If (moron)Claus Von Stauffenberg had simply left the 2nd charge in the damn brief case, it WOULD have exploded! It WOULD have Killed Hitler nearly a year earlier!! It would've saved millions of lives! This is all time, historical level idiocy...
 
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ModerationNow! said:
In 1944, a very large number of German military, police and Intel officers devised a very complex, well organized plan to not only kill Hitler, but to quickly take control of the German government, after his successful assassination. The actual assassination was probably one of the simplest tasks, requiring only that an already trusted and well respected Wehrmacht colonel walk into a top level staff meeting, and place a bomb under a table where Hitler would be discussing strategy etc. The assassin was, Colonel Claus Philipp Maria Justinian Schenk Graf von Stauffenberg". He was a count.

The high explosives used were made up of 2 separate, compact explosive charges, each with its own detonator. These 2 charges fit snugly inside Von Stauffenberg's leather brief case. Before placing the bomb in the meeting room, he first found a private room, where he went to set up the 2 charges, by installing a detonator in each one, then placing them back in the brief case and placing it under the meeting room table, with timers set to explode during the meeting.



But he hit a 'snag'. One of the detonators seemed to be defective, so he set the 1 remaining detonator onto 1 of the explosive charges, placed that 1 charge into the brief case, but removed the 2nd charge, apparently due to a stupid, wrong-headed assumption that the 2nd charge would not explode without a detonator. He placed the brief case under the large, thick table in the meeting room, left the premises, and hoped for the best.

Unfortunately, with only 1/2 the originally planned amount of explosives in the device, it FAILED to kill Hitler! The THICK, solid table leg shielded Hitler from the blast, although many died, and there was much destruction. Here's why this failed, due to Von Stauffenberg's inexcusable ignorance. High explosives cannot be set off with simple fuses used with fireworks. They are very dangerous, and therefore designed to NOT explode easily. They require a "detonation" of another, usually much smaller device, ie. a 'detonator'. But here's the part that ANY moron with 2 weeks worth of military experience SHOULD KNOW..... If you set explosive charges near each other, the explosion of ANY one of them, will instantaneously 'detonate' ALL the other nearby charges! This is elementary 'Mythbuster's' level knowledge!

If (moron)Claus Von Stauffenberg had simply left the 2nd charge in the damn brief case, it WOULD have exploded! It WOULD have Killed Hitler nearly a year earlier!! It would've saved millions of lives! This is all time, historical level idiocy...
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One can't help but notice your sig applies much more to Trump ( a rightist ) as opposed to Leftists. I don't recalll any Leftists ever proclaiming they are in love with, or 'praising' Kim Jung UN, a brutal Communist dictator POTUS claims he is in love with.
 
Logician Man said:
One can't help but notice your sig applies much more to Trump ( a rightist ) as opposed to Leftists. I don't recalll any Leftists ever proclaiming they are in love with, or 'praising' Kim Jung UN, a brutal Communist dictator POTUS claims he is in love with.
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Not sure what that has to do with the thread subject, but I agree that Trump's "messaging" has left a LOT to be desired when it comes to a LOT of subjects. I would point out that he has nonetheless been the only president in more than 2 decades who has actually taken a stand against the Chinese, who are intentionally allowing dangerous drugs to pour into our country, with enough Chinese fentanyl being recently discovered aboard a container ship in Mexico, to kill billions of people! Each year, 32,000 Americans die from Chinese fentanyl overdoses.

The Chinese communist party was simply handed most of our industrial sector companies in the late 90s, thanks to the China trade deal. Since then, every president has bent over backwards to allow China to manipulate the agreement to our detriment, while we look the other way.... Trump SHOULD be applauded for actually taking an interest in protecting OUR interests, instead of theirs, at our expense! He's also the only president to take a hard enough line on North Korea that they've stopped routinely sinking south Korean ships, firing missiles over allied territories, etc.

So although Trump doesn't often give us the "optimal lip service" to these issues, at least he's actually doing SOMETHING about the abuses by the countries(including Mexico's perinneal subversive policies).
 
ModerationNow! said:
Not sure what that has to do with the thread subject, but I agree that Trump's "messaging" has left a LOT to be desired when it comes to a LOT of subjects. I would point out that he has nonetheless been the only president in more than 2 decades who has actually taken a stand against the Chinese, who are intentionally allowing dangerous drugs to pour into our country, with enough Chinese fentanyl being recently discovered aboard a container ship in Mexico, to kill billions of people! Each year, 32,000 Americans die from Chinese fentanyl overdoses.

The Chinese communist party was simply handed most of our industrial sector companies in the late 90s, thanks to the China trade deal. Since then, every president has bent over backwards to allow China to manipulate the agreement to our detriment, while we look the other way.... Trump SHOULD be applauded for actually taking an interest in protecting OUR interests, instead of theirs, at our expense! He's also the only president to take a hard enough line on North Korea that they've stopped routinely sinking south Korean ships, firing missiles over allied territories, etc.

So although Trump doesn't often give us the "optimal lip service" to these issues, at least he's actually doing SOMETHING about the abuses by the countries(including Mexico's perinneal subversive policies).
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I certainly won't argue with you that Trump is doing 'SOMETHING'. 'SOMETHING(S) he has done has triggered an impeachment inquiry, has some Republicans/Conservatives jumping ship, and may very well result in his being removed from office. I do disagree with your claim Trump has 'OUR' vest interests at heart. Trump has 'TRUMP'S' best interest at heart.
 
Logician Man said:
I certainly won't argue with you that Trump is doing 'SOMETHING'. 'SOMETHING(S) he has done has triggered an impeachment inquiry, has some Republicans/Conservatives jumping ship, and may very well result in his being removed from office. I do disagree with your claim Trump has 'OUR' vest interests at heart. Trump has 'TRUMP'S' best interest at heart.
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Remember, the democrats and their communication division of the "news" media have been trying from day 1 to find or fabricate ANY excuse to take him out, and regain power without actually having to do it democratically. For 2.5 years we were promised PROOF of Russian collusion. But that turned out to be a fraud. Now, the media and democrats PROMISED us that a "whistle-blower" knew FOR SURE of a phone call where Trump directly threatened the Ukrainian govt that he would withhold 450 million dollars of aid, UNLESS they did an investigation on corruption involving the Bidens. We were Promised ^that direct quid pro quo!

But just like the Muller report, when the contents of the phone call was exposed, there was NO SUCH DIRECT EXTORTION! So instead of admitting they were wrong again, the media quickly 'moved the bar', buried that promised headline, and began spinning and fabricating the actual contents of the call to help "condition" the American people to believe that something terribly illegal happened here! But there isn't anything illegal, or even any proof of a definite quid pro quo! But there is with Joe Biden! But oddly, they don't air that evidence!

The reality is that once again, like in the Russia collusion story, there are democrats who are provably guilty of the very things Trump is being accused of! In 2016, Hillary" colluded" with Ukrainians and Russians to get the bogus dossier that led to the Muller investigation, AND Joe Biden PROVABLY blackmailed the Ukrainian govt to fire a prosecutor who was investigating the corrupt company who was paying his son $50,000 a month for a no-show job, as a "board member" in an industry he had ZERO experience in! That $50,000 a month salary was given to Hunter B., while the average Ukrainian makes just $382 a month!

Anyway, let's agree to disagree in this thread, and have that debate in another thread. I want to discuss the shoulda-coulda aspects of the 1944 Hitler assassination coup in this thread. Otherwise we'll likely both get in trouble with moderators for hijacking this unrelated thread. Lol
 
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Remember, the democrats and their communication division of the "news" media have been trying from day 1 to find or fabricate ANY excuse to take him out, and regain power without actually having to do it democratically. For 2.5 years we were promised PROOF of Russian collusion. But that turned out to be a fraud. Now, the media and democrats PROMISED us that a "whistle-blower" knew FOR SURE of a phone call where Trump directly threatened the Ukrainian govt that he would withhold 450 million dollars of aid, UNLESS they did an investigation on corruption involving the Bidens. We were Promised ^that direct quid pro quo!

But just like the Muller report, when the contents of the phone call was exposed, there was NO SUCH DIRECT EXTORTION! So instead of admitting they were wrong again, the media quickly 'moved the bar', buried that promised headline, and began spinning and fabricating the actual contents of the call to help "condition" the American people to believe that something terribly illegal happened here! But there isn't anything illegal, or even any proof of a definite quid pro quo! But there is with Joe Biden! But oddly, they don't air that evidence!

The reality is that once again, like in the Russia collusion story, there are democrats who are provably guilty of the very things Trump is being accused of! In 2016, Hillary" colluded" with Ukrainians and Russians to get the bogus dossier that led to the Muller investigation, AND Joe Biden PROVABLY blackmailed the Ukrainian govt to fire a prosecutor who was investigating the corrupt company who was paying his son $50,000 a month for a no-show job, as a "board member" in an industry he had ZERO experience in! That $50,000 a month salary was given to Hunter B., while the average Ukrainian makes just $382 a month!

Anyway, let's agree to disagree in this thread, and have that debate in another thread. I want to discuss the shoulda-coulda aspects of the 1944 Hitler assassination coup in this thread. Otherwise we'll likely both get in trouble with moderators for hijacking this unrelated thread. Lol
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Cool. Have a nice night.
 
Logician Man said:
One can't help but notice your sig applies much more to Trump ( a rightist ) as opposed to Leftists. I don't recalll any Leftists ever proclaiming they are in love with, or 'praising' Kim Jung UN, a brutal Communist dictator POTUS claims he is in love with.
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His signature is actually quite accurate the Left always seems to have a love affair with the likes of Stalin, Pot, Che, Castro, etc until they inevitably lead their countries into either ruin or countless deaths.
 
Nap said:
His signature is actually quite accurate the Left always seems to have a love affair with the likes of Stalin, Pot, Che, Castro, etc until they inevitably lead their countries into either ruin or countless deaths.
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KJU....Putin ---> :moon: <---- Trump ---> :kissass
 
I may be wrong, but I faintly remember reading that the British may have had some opportunities in the 1930s to "neutralize" the Fuhrer, but they decided that it would not be gentlemanly.
 
TheParser said:
I may be wrong, but I faintly remember reading that the British may have had some opportunities in the 1930s to "neutralize" the Fuhrer, but they decided that it would not be gentlemanly.
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There is a TV documentary that used to air on the 'History' Channel, before they changed the format from history, to alien conspiracy theories. It documented a lot of failed assassination plans and attempts against Hitler. It's amazing how many there were. Most were either thwarted by Nazi intel services, or planned out, but later shelved.
 
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Next time around - YOU try it ....
 
Rumpel said:
Next time around - YOU try it ....
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You act as if choosing whether to drop a pouch inside a brief case(as planned) was a difficult task. It isn't! He was already in a private room with 2 explosive charges that were BOTH supposed to be dropped into the brief case. So this particular aspect of the entire conspiracy was actually very, very simple, and it should have been very, VERY obvious what to do.

He simply lays 1 or 2 charges(which were already in his hands) into the brief case. A military officer who had spent his career in combat related duties, SHOULD understand the very basic concept that placing 2 high explosive charges in close proximity WILL result in both charges detonating, even if only 1 of the detonators work!
 
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