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    Watch your language in Berkeley, California

    If you ever visit that university town, do be careful with gender-neutral words.

    According to an article posted at my favorite website (the Drudge Report), that city wants you to say "maintenance hole" for "manhole" and "human effort" for "manpower."

    It also reminds you to use "their" instead of "his," as in "Everyone should bring their book tomorrow." To be fair, I have noticed that most Americans already do that. In fact, some really "woke" speakers will say (even when speaking to an audience of both men and women): "I would appreciate it if everyone would bring her book tomorrow to class." (In other words, it is considered terrible to continue to use "his" as the gender-neutral pronoun, but some people feel it is fine to use "her" as a gender-neutral pronoun.)

    No wonder some of our foreign friends find the English language so difficult to master.

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    Re: Watch your language in Berkeley, California

    Quote Originally Posted by TheParser View Post
    If you ever visit that university town, do be careful with gender-neutral words.

    According to an article posted at my favorite website (the Drudge Report), that city wants you to say "maintenance hole" for "manhole" and "human effort" for "manpower."

    It also reminds you to use "their" instead of "his," as in "Everyone should bring their book tomorrow." To be fair, I have noticed that most Americans already do that. In fact, some really "woke" speakers will say (even when speaking to an audience of both men and women): "I would appreciate it if everyone would bring her book tomorrow to class." (In other words, it is considered terrible to continue to use "his" as the gender-neutral pronoun, but some people feel it is fine to use "her" as a gender-neutral pronoun.)

    No wonder some of our foreign friends find the English language so difficult to master.
    Oh, yes, people have been using the plural "their" for "everyone," "everybody" (which means "every one body"), "anyone," "anybody," "someone," and "somebody" for decades. (It's "each" that sends me over the moon--it means "one"!) Grammarians began to argue in the late '60's/early '70's that the old-school rule of using "he" was paying undue deference to males. I remember when Dr. Spock laboriously edited his famed baby "bible" to more carefully balance little boy with little girl examples.

    Anyway, "Everyone has their ticket" remains wrong but is easily fixed by simply saying "We all have our tickets."

    Sigh, not that anybody cares.

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    Re: Watch your language in Berkeley, California

    I read an article in a magazine a couple weeks back that interviewed some actor person, who was androgynous, and he/she didn't allow the magazine to use he or she. So they used they, them, their, when speaking of the actor.

    I couldn't hardly understand the interview, because it became impossible to know if they was referring to the actor, or some other group.
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    Re: Watch your language in Berkeley, California

    Quote Originally Posted by TheParser View Post
    If you ever visit that university town, do be careful with gender-neutral words.

    According to an article posted at my favorite website (the Drudge Report), that city wants you to say "maintenance hole" for "manhole" and "human effort" for "manpower."

    It also reminds you to use "their" instead of "his," as in "Everyone should bring their book tomorrow." To be fair, I have noticed that most Americans already do that. In fact, some really "woke" speakers will say (even when speaking to an audience of both men and women): "I would appreciate it if everyone would bring her book tomorrow to class." (In other words, it is considered terrible to continue to use "his" as the gender-neutral pronoun, but some people feel it is fine to use "her" as a gender-neutral pronoun.)

    No wonder some of our foreign friends find the English language so difficult to master.

    You know what's truly amazing, though? The real kicker? Swapping those words don't make one bit of difference to your life at all. It doesn't cost you anything, you don't need to go back to school to learn how to do it, no one will think less of you for participating... Once you get over the indignation of being asked to speak in what is the current norm (yes, different from back in the day), it's amazing how little effort it takes.
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    Re: Watch your language in Berkeley, California

    Quote Originally Posted by TheParser View Post
    No wonder some of our foreign friends find the English language so difficult to master.
    I think the bigger confusion comes when they hear the President say things that should be defined as racist, but then Republicans claim it isn't.
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    Re: Watch your language in Berkeley, California

    Quote Originally Posted by TheParser View Post
    "I would appreciate it if everyone would bring her book tomorrow to class."
    I don't think I have ever heard anyone use either the word his or her book in this particular situation. "Their" is the only word that makes sense in that sentence. Sounds like you're full of **** to me.
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    Re: Watch your language in Berkeley, California

    Quote Originally Posted by OlNate View Post
    You know what's truly amazing, though? The real kicker? Swapping those words don't make one bit of difference to your life at all. It doesn't cost you anything, you don't need to go back to school to learn how to do it, no one will think less of you for participating... Once you get over the indignation of being asked to speak in what is the current norm (yes, different from back in the day), it's amazing how little effort it takes.
    If it doesn't cost anything, then why change them? Why do leftist feel the need to neuter humans, humanity, humankind? Are these morons still going to call the female version of themselves woman (of man)? When are they going to chuck the, um, mother (is that a safe word?) of all sexists English words?
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    Re: Watch your language in Berkeley, California

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    If it doesn't cost anything, then why change them? Why do leftist feel the need to neuter humans, humanity, humankind? Are these morons still going to call the female version of themselves woman (of man)? When are they going to chuck the, um, mother (is that a safe word?) of all sexists English words?

    That's a lot of man on the brain going on there, friend.... hehe

    I'm not sure what polite discussion will look like in the future. It's changed a million times over our tenure here, it'll change a million times again. I wouldn't get so upset about it.
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    Re: Watch your language in Berkeley, California

    Quote Originally Posted by TheParser View Post
    If you ever visit that university town, do be careful with gender-neutral words.

    According to an article posted at my favorite website (the Drudge Report), that city wants you to say "maintenance hole" for "manhole" and "human effort" for "manpower."

    It also reminds you to use "their" instead of "his," as in "Everyone should bring their book tomorrow." To be fair, I have noticed that most Americans already do that. In fact, some really "woke" speakers will say (even when speaking to an audience of both men and women): "I would appreciate it if everyone would bring her book tomorrow to class." (In other words, it is considered terrible to continue to use "his" as the gender-neutral pronoun, but some people feel it is fine to use "her" as a gender-neutral pronoun.)

    No wonder some of our foreign friends find the English language so difficult to master.
    Language is a living thing; it grows by way of use, and use includes misuse.
    I no longer get worked up about misuse, but there is something to be said about precision in the use of language.
    Language expresses thought, and sloppy language reflects sloppy thought.
    But most thought is sloppy, and deserves sloppy language.
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    Re: Watch your language in Berkeley, California

    Quote Originally Posted by OlNate View Post
    That's a lot of man on the brain going on there, friend.... hehe

    I'm not sure what polite discussion will look like in the future. It's changed a million times over our tenure here, it'll change a million times again. I wouldn't get so upset about it.
    Men will just continue to be men and they can be gender neutral. "It" should suffice. But substituting "human effort" for "manpower" is just stupid. It's derived from the same root. All these progressives are doing is demonstrating that they're devoid on intellect.
    Last edited by Ahlevah; 07-19-19 at 01:34 PM.
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