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Should some people get a 'behavioral pass' due to physical, 'Napoleon complex' type disadvantages?

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First of all, despite the Napoleon complex being a legitimate mental condition, it's also true that the chosen name of this condition is a misnomer. Napoleon was NOT actually a short man during his time. He was of average height!

But that aside, should some people be given somewhat of a behavioral pass, if they are truly at a disadvantage due to superficial physical 'detriments', that they have no control over? I'm talking about such disadvantages as being significantly shorter than most(men). Or being less than attractive(mostly women affected), or because of things that affect members of either sex, such as being uncontrollably obese, or uncontrollably thin, or superficially disadvantaged in some other way, ASIDE FROM actual handicaps.

I recall a guy who was a member of a local fraternity, who was significantly shorter than most men his age. Seemingly as a result, he compensated for it by having an overly 'aggressive personality', and being defensive and somewhat loud. I commented on it to a frat member, who justified it as a Napoleon complex.

Then there's successful hard rock & heavy metal singer Ronnie James Dio. He died several years ago(RIP). He was very short at between 5'3" to 5'4". He always seemed courteous and respectful to fans. But he was supposedly tough to work with at times, according to some(although others didn't complain). But I'm guessing that he became naturally defensive and a little aggressive at times with some people, due to a lifetime of having men & women 'looking down on him' as a short man.

A lot of these complexes are attributable to insecurities that would be somewhat common to people who 'suffered' because of these types of superficial disadvantages. This wouldn't exist if people weren't superficial to begin with, and if we judged others by their character, not appearances!

IMO, there are cases where it's understandable for people in those situations to be a little more aggressive and forceful with their personalities, as long as it's not taken to an extreme. What's your view? Give us examples of people you know who fit this description.
 
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ModerationNow! said:
First of all, despite the Napoleon complex being a legitimate mental condition, it's also true that the chosen name of this condition is a misnomer. Napoleon was NOT actually a short man during his time. He was of average height!

But that aside, should some people be given somewhat of a behavioral pass, if they are truly at a disadvantage due to superficial physical 'detriments', that they have no control over? I'm talking about such disadvantages as being significantly shorter than most(men). Or being less than attractive(mostly women affected), or because of things that affect members of either sex, such as being uncontrollably obese, or uncontrollably thin, or superficially disadvantaged in some other way, ASIDE FROM actual handicaps.

I recall a guy who was a member of a local fraternity, who was significantly shorter than most men his age. Seemingly as a result, he compensated for it by having an overly 'aggressive personality', and being defensive and somewhat loud. I commented on it to a frat member, who justified it as a Napoleon complex.

Then there's successful hard rock & heavy metal singer Ronnie James Dio. He died several years ago(RIP). He was very short at between 5'3" to 5'4". He always seemed courteous and respectful to fans. But he was supposedly tough to work with at times, according to some(although others didn't complain). But I'm guessing that he became naturally defensive and a little aggressive at times with some people, due to a lifetime of having men & women 'looking down on him' as a short man.

A lot of these complexes are attributable to insecurities that would be somewhat common to people who 'suffered' because of these types of superficial disadvantages. This wouldn't exist if people weren't superficial to begin with, and if we judged others by their character, not appearances!

IMO, there are cases where it's understandable for people in those situations to be a little more aggressive and forceful with their personalities, as long as it's not taken to an extreme. What's your view? Give us examples of people you know who fit this description.
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In a word...No.

No physical handicap justifies or excuses a person being an asshole.
 
Mycroft said:
In a word...No.

No physical handicap justifies or excuses a person being an asshole.
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I should've been a little more clear in my questioning. I agree 100% that being short or obese shouldn't give anyone carte blanche to be a complete a-whole to people around them. But I'm not talking about that extreme. I'm wondering whether a really short, skinny guy or gal should get a pass if their personality includes some additional low to mid-level aggressiveness that they subconsciously develop as a preventative measure to reduce the disrespect that they will inevitably suffer from time to time?

In other words, for many/most people, there's little to no disrespect aimed at them on a daily basis. But for smaller men, or less attractive women, they are more likely to experience rudeness or disrespect. So maybe that should be taken into account when we come across people with such 'shortcomings'. Maybe they do get a pass.....
 
Should we give black men a pass for having a chip on their shoulder about stereotyping?
 
KevinKohler said:
Should we give black men a pass for having a chip on their shoulder about stereotyping?
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Again, its all a matter of degree. With the level of democrat party and media race-baiting, its inevitable that some black folks are going to accept some of it as true, and be less friendly with white folks. Most black folks I deal with on a daily basis are friendly. Its only occasional that I run into someone who believes the media's current radically negative stereotypes.

A person who believes them, will likely give me a dirty look, but that's usually as far as it goes. So I DO allow and expect some of that occasionally, because the political left are bombarding blacks, Latinos and Muslims with anti-white negativity and blame all the time! If I was black and being told that today's white folks are guilty for slavery simply because they have the same skin color as the small number of people who owned slaves 154+ years ago, and being told that pretty much any failure or negativity in my life was the result of racism, I'd probably be bitter too! At least until I eventually realized that this is mostly just propaganda designed to ensure my race continues to vote for democrats out of fear! Then I'd change my attitude....
 
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Again, its all a matter of degree. With the level of democrat party and media race-baiting, its inevitable that some black folks are going to accept some of it as true, and be less friendly with white folks. Most black folks I deal with on a daily basis are friendly. Its only occasional that I run into someone who believes the media's current radically negative stereotypes. The person will likely give me a dirty look, but that's usually as far as it goes. So I DO allow and expect some of that occasionally, because the political left are bombarding blacks, Latinos and Muslims with anti-white negativity and blame.
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Attitude determines altitude.

Everyone has problems, reasons to be sour. That's life. I was born with one ear.

Do I get to be more rude than others because of that? Nope. You wanna play in society, you gotta play by the rules. We don't change the rules to accommodate short comings...
 
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I should've been a little more clear in my questioning. I agree 100% that being short or obese shouldn't give anyone carte blanche to be a complete a-whole to people around them. But I'm not talking about that extreme. I'm wondering whether a really short, skinny guy or gal should get a pass if their personality includes some additional low to mid-level aggressiveness that they subconsciously develop as a preventative measure to reduce the disrespect that they will inevitably suffer from time to time?

In other words, for many/most people, there's little to no disrespect aimed at them on a daily basis. But for smaller men, or less attractive women, they are more likely to experience rudeness or disrespect. So maybe that should be taken into account when we come across people with such 'shortcomings'. Maybe they do get a pass.....
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Again, I say...No.
 
KevinKohler said:
Should we give black men a pass for having a chip on their shoulder about stereotyping?
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Um, yes? Because that stereotyping is real and pervasive and ultimately quite harmful.
 
Deuce said:
Um, yes? Because that stereotyping is real and pervasive and ultimately quite harmful.
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So, "Niggas With Attitude", huh? Buncha young men walking around angry, looking for a fight, because they had it bad?
 
KevinKohler said:
So, "Niggas With Attitude", huh? Buncha young men walking around angry, looking for a fight, because they had it bad?
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That's a weird goalpost move and quite frankly exactly the sort of racist stereotyping people get mad about.
 
Deuce said:
That's a weird goalpost move and quite frankly exactly the sort of racist stereotyping people get mad about.
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Not denying the stereotyping...simply saying that reacting to that stereotype in such a way is not acceptable, nor beneficial.

The thread topic is, should people get a pass.

My answer is no.
 
ModerationNow! said:
I should've been a little more clear in my questioning. I agree 100% that being short or obese shouldn't give anyone carte blanche to be a complete a-whole to people around them. But I'm not talking about that extreme. I'm wondering whether a really short, skinny guy or gal should get a pass if their personality includes some additional low to mid-level aggressiveness that they subconsciously develop as a preventative measure to reduce the disrespect that they will inevitably suffer from time to time?

In other words, for many/most people, there's little to no disrespect aimed at them on a daily basis. But for smaller men, or less attractive women, they are more likely to experience rudeness or disrespect. So maybe that should be taken into account when we come across people with such 'shortcomings'. Maybe they do get a pass.....
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Nobody is perfect. You will always find somebody with a crooked nose, or a chunky ass, or bowed legs, or something. Life isn't perfect. Deal with your imperfections and stop being a ****ing cry baby.

To answer your question, no, and for once, I agree with MyCroft. Being different shouldn't give you a pass to be a dickhead.
 
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Again, its all a matter of degree. With the level of democrat party and media race-baiting, its inevitable that some black folks are going to accept some of it as true, and be less friendly with white folks. Most black folks I deal with on a daily basis are friendly. Its only occasional that I run into someone who believes the media's current radically negative stereotypes.

A person who believes them, will likely give me a dirty look, but that's usually as far as it goes. So I DO allow and expect some of that occasionally, because the political left are bombarding blacks, Latinos and Muslims with anti-white negativity and blame all the time! If I was black and being told that today's white folks are guilty for slavery simply because they have the same skin color as the small number of people who owned slaves 154+ years ago, and being told that pretty much any failure or negativity in my life was the result of racism, I'd probably be bitter too! At least until I eventually realized that this is mostly just propaganda designed to ensure my race continues to vote for democrats out of fear! Then I'd change my attitude....
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See? Here I came in here, thinking you wanted to have a normal discussion, and by post 5, you have turned it into stupid, bull**** partisan politics.

I should have known better.
 
KevinKohler said:
Not denying the stereotyping...simply saying that reacting to that stereotype in such a way is not acceptable, nor beneficial.

The thread topic is, should people get a pass.

My answer is no.
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The people you made up reacting to your racist stereotyping in a made up way shouldn't get a pass, no.
 
Deuce said:
The people you made up reacting to your racist stereotyping in a made up way shouldn't get a pass, no.
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Oh, yes, NWA is made up, lol.
 
Superfly said:
See? Here I came in here, thinking you wanted to have a normal discussion, and by post 5, you have turned it into stupid, bull**** partisan politics.

I should have known better.
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I didn't "turn it into" anything. I didn't bring up politics. Someone commented on the REALITY of racial divisiveness, and asked whether a black person should get a pass for being spiteful. In the context of that subject, you cannot deny that one of the main catalysts that leads to that spitefulness between ALL races, is the routine race-baiting that is perpetuated by politicians and their supporters in the media! The whole impetus behind Colin Kaepernicks anger and activism, was the Ferguson police shooting of Michael Brown, which was INTENTIONALLY and dishonestly spun into a racial murder, which it most certainly WAS NOT. The media and many democrats fabricated that "narrative" and ran with it for months, ignoring and omitting all evidence that contradicted it! Kaepernick(and BLM) were indoctrinated into that politically motivated divisiveness because of fake news!

That sort of thing happens daily. If you want me to ignore that reality, and pretend that politically based race-baiting doesn't play a role in THIS subject, just because you don't want to be reminded of it, then I say NO!

The cultural Marxism that's being promoted for political expediency, is ripping the fabric of this country apart. Your anger at being reminded of it, seems selfish IMO. If some negative aspect of politics 'bothers' you, then take a stand! Don't lash out at me for exposing it in a thread that's devoted to the type of anti social behavior that's triggered by feelings of personal or societal frustration.

I'm not going to sweep reality under the rug, so that you won't be 'inconvenienced' by it! If you truly care about minorities or any other downtrodden people, then don't support the politicians and partisan ideologues who exploit those people!
 
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Deuce said:
You're lost. Just forget it.
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Yep. I'm lost. Because I expect people to abide by societal rules and mores regardless of the way they've been treated in life.
 
YES, we should give a pass to anyone wounded psychologically by his/her height, weight, gender, ethnicity, sexuality, etc.

By giving him/her a pass, I mean that we should pity that person and not judge him/her.

We should, however, keep away from that individual as much as possible.

For example, "Mona" will not accept a particular job because she realizes that a sizeable portion of customers at that establishment are troublemakers. She gives them a mental pass, but refuses to deal with them in person.

For example, we can execute "Joe" for murder and still give him a mental pass for what he did because of the psychological scars he suffered during his life.
 
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