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What is acceptable comedy?

JC Callender

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Rob Lowe recently removed a tweet making fun of Elizabeth Warren saying she “would bring a whole new meaning to Commander in ‘Chief.’” Harmless joke imo, but it upset enough people, which is often the case when someone is made fun of nowadays. So, should we stop making fun of people and make comedy obsolete to spare hurting others? Or maybe just make fun of ourselves? What is acceptable comedy? :popcorn2:
 
Rob Lowe recently removed a tweet making fun of Elizabeth Warren saying she “would bring a whole new meaning to Commander in ‘Chief.’” Harmless joke imo, but it upset enough people, which is often the case when someone is made fun of nowadays. So, should we stop making fun of people and make comedy obsolete to spare hurting others? Or maybe just make fun of ourselves? What is acceptable comedy? :popcorn2:

That depends entirely on who gets to decide what is deemed "acceptable". Surely, if one can self-designate their own race then one can self-critique their own comedy material. Did he make fun of someone or their voluntary actions?
 
everything is acceptable. Stop being such pusses.

Lowe's joke is very funny.
 
That depends entirely on who gets to decide what is deemed "acceptable". Surely, if one can self-designate their own race then one can self-critique their own comedy material. Did he make fun of someone or their voluntary actions?

I'm not expecting the government to outlaw it, but society can turn it into something so negative that a person will risk all they have to engage in it, kind of like saying the N word. And yes, Rob Lowe made fun of Warren's voluntary actions and still ended up deleting his tweet under social pressure.
 
Rob Lowe recently removed a tweet making fun of Elizabeth Warren saying she “would bring a whole new meaning to Commander in ‘Chief.’” Harmless joke imo, but it upset enough people, which is often the case when someone is made fun of nowadays. So, should we stop making fun of people and make comedy obsolete to spare hurting others? Or maybe just make fun of ourselves? What is acceptable comedy? :popcorn2:

We should deport the crybabies and Make America Laugh Again!
 
Rob Lowe recently removed a tweet making fun of Elizabeth Warren saying she “would bring a whole new meaning to Commander in ‘Chief.’” Harmless joke imo, but it upset enough people, which is often the case when someone is made fun of nowadays. So, should we stop making fun of people and make comedy obsolete to spare hurting others? Or maybe just make fun of ourselves? What is acceptable comedy? :popcorn2:

Warren is an asshole so this tweet was perfectly acceptable.
 
Three Truths

1) There have always been things that society, as a whole, has considered unacceptable to the public

2) exactly what those things are have changed over time

3) More people whine about this than shout at clouds
 
I'm not expecting the government to outlaw it, but society can turn it into something so negative that a person will risk all they have to engage in it, kind of like saying the N word. And yes, Rob Lowe made fun of Warren's voluntary actions and still ended up deleting his tweet under social pressure.

Yep, it seems that he got to have his cake and eat it too.
 
Professionally, Lowe is an actor, and a very well known one who, on that basis alone, attracts attention to the productions in which he performs. When Lowe (or any other actor) comports himself as a political satirist, his doing so alters the approbation of him that some of his fan base have, and, importantly, it does so as a result of something that has nothing to do with his acting abilities.

I won't go so far as to say actors should refrain from remarking on politics and political figures; however, I will say that their so commenting has consequences that may manifest themselves, among other ways, negatively with regard to their career as actors. If they're willing to accept and deal with those consequences, they should say whatever they want that augurs to effect them. If, however, actors are unwilling to be held accountable for their remarks, they should either retract their remarks, or, better yet, keep mum in the first place.

Freedom of expression is not freedom from non-governmentally imposed consequences of having expressed oneself. That reality was discovered by MLK, JFK, RFK, Heather Heyer, Harvey Milk, Malcolm X, and a host of others who've been killed or injured as a result of freely expressing themselves. Of course, assassination isn't the the only consequence. Ostracization and rebuke are two more, and they're the consequences actors most likely must face, and those outcomes have the potential to substantively end an actor's career.

So what's acceptable political satire for an actor? Whatever the anticipated fan base/viewers of the actor's performance(s) will bear.
 
everything is acceptable. Stop being such pusses.

Lowe's joke is very funny.

His remark is both funny and tacitly aspersive. The humorous aspect of it isn't what's causing the problem.
 
Everything is acceptable, whether it is funny or not is a completely different matter.

 
From a relatively early age, I was taught to keep my thoughts about politics and religion to myself. That guidance served me well, particularly in my career.

Did that mean I never discussed politics or religion? Of course, not. It meant that I had better sense than to get on a "soapbox" and do so in ways and about topics and to audiences for or by which I cared not to be held accountable.

It seems the advent of social media, particularly Twitter, has led folks to think they can discuss religion and politics and face no consequences for their remarks. I don't know why they think the medium conveying one's expression contravenes the age-old maxim about political/religion discourse. It does not.

Why has the existence of social medial been concomitant with diminuitions of discursive prudence? I have no idea.
 
From a relatively early age, I was taught to keep my thoughts about politics and religion to myself. That guidance served me well, particularly in my career.

Did that mean I never discussed politics or religion? Of course, not. It meant that I had better sense than to get on a "soapbox" and do so in ways and about topics and to audiences for or by which I cared not to be held accountable.

It seems the advent of social media, particularly Twitter, has led folks to think they can discuss religion and politics and face no consequences for their remarks. I don't know why they think the medium conveying one's expression contravenes the age-old maxim about political/religion discourse. It does not.

Why has the existence of social medial been concomitant with diminuitions of discursive prudence? I have no idea.

I think the shmoidonics and flipintoigords of it are pariliospective but I've forgotten what we are talking about.
 
I think the shmoidonics and flipintoigords of it are pariliospective but I've forgotten what we are talking about.

Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe:​
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.​
-- Lewis Carroll, "Jabberwocky"
 
Rob Lowe recently removed a tweet making fun of Elizabeth Warren saying she “would bring a whole new meaning to Commander in ‘Chief.’” Harmless joke imo, but it upset enough people, which is often the case when someone is made fun of nowadays. So, should we stop making fun of people and make comedy obsolete to spare hurting others? Or maybe just make fun of ourselves? What is acceptable comedy? :popcorn2:

Comedy is subjective. Just look at Trump for example, he obviously doesn't like the SNL skits about him. What it comes down to is simple capitalism. Who "buys" your product? And don't let anyone fool you, comedy is still a product.

If you are Hobby Lobby, a Christian Company, I doubt you would gather much support from your customers if Hobby Lobby suddenly went pro-choice. Yes, I know that's not comedy, but it follows the same "capitalistic product" practice. Piss off your customers and you're done.
 
It is the fools prerogative to utter truths others dare not speak.


What is acceptable comedy? The funny kind. And if you're NOT a comedian, be careful about the jokes you tell, and to whom.
 
Comedy is subjective. Just look at Trump for example, he obviously doesn't like the SNL skits about him. What it comes down to is simple capitalism. Who "buys" your product? And don't let anyone fool you, comedy is still a product.

If you are Hobby Lobby, a Christian Company, I doubt you would gather much support from your customers if Hobby Lobby suddenly went pro-choice. Yes, I know that's not comedy, but it follows the same "capitalistic product" practice. Piss off your customers and you're done.

And one of the things it is subject to is cultural norms. Which change over time

Just ask Don Rickles
 
Rob Lowe recently removed a tweet making fun of Elizabeth Warren saying she “would bring a whole new meaning to Commander in ‘Chief.’” Harmless joke imo, but it upset enough people, which is often the case when someone is made fun of nowadays. So, should we stop making fun of people and make comedy obsolete to spare hurting others? Or maybe just make fun of ourselves? What is acceptable comedy? :popcorn2:

Basically, you are no longer allowed to say anything that might offend a liberal. In fact, if you aren't a liberal you're better off just not saying anything.
 
And one of the things it is subject to is cultural norms. Which change over time

Just ask Don Rickles

Do you think it's okay to make fun of people anymore? If so, please give an example.
 
Rob Lowe recently removed a tweet making fun of Elizabeth Warren saying she “would bring a whole new meaning to Commander in ‘Chief.’” Harmless joke imo, but it upset enough people, which is often the case when someone is made fun of nowadays. So, should we stop making fun of people and make comedy obsolete to spare hurting others? Or maybe just make fun of ourselves? What is acceptable comedy? :popcorn2:

They dying of our comedy is one of the many windows onto the dying of our culture....we are no longer good enough we are no longer civilized enough to do comedy increasingly.

WE USED TO BE BETTER
 
Do you think it's okay to make fun of people anymore? If so, please give an example.

Not for things related to gender, race, ethnicity, etc. But for some other things, sure it is ok

Making fun of political/public figures is OK, so long as its not based on the things I just mentioned.
 
Not for things related to gender, race, ethnicity, etc. But for some other things, sure it is ok

Making fun of political/public figures is OK, so long as its not based on the things I just mentioned.

Can you think of an example of a funny joke under those guidelines?
 
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