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    Left vs Right.

    Now for the record, I'm not saying I'm perfect or better than anyone else. This is pretty much of an opinion, but here we go.

    I primarily identify as a moderate conservative. So slightly on the right. I will admit that my side (often) does the same exact crap as the left does. But here's what bothers me a lot on this site.

    1. It has so much left-wing bias.

    While I understand everyone is going to have a bias, this just ruins a lot of my experience on here.
    It seems like conservatives are a minority on here, and thats a problem. If we are going to "debate", we need to have opposing sides.

    2. No actual debating

    Despite what the site is called, I don't see any actual debating on here.
    Its always this "its my way or the highway", and/or "bash the other side to feel better about yourself, b/c you feel morally superior", something like that.
    Thats not debating, its just insulting people, who have different opinions than you. I will admit I have done this myself! But I'm trying not to do that so much.

    3. Again, insulting

    I've noticed this a lot with liberals against Trump Supporters. Apparently we all are racist, dumbasses (somehow?). My side does this too.

    4. Disregard my opinions b/c I'm young.

    Now I understand that obviously I don't have enough experience, but usually I'm disregarded b/c I'm young.
    But I guarantee if I agreed with the liberal philosophy, I would be "super intelligent", and "well-educated". Just my two cents.

    Anyways, what I'm saying is that being a liberal or conservative is not bad. Being a libertarian is not bad.
    It just more annoys me when instead of actually providing solutions, its always bitching or insulting each other.
    Anyways that's all I wanted to say. Thank you and have a good day.

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    Re: Left vs Right.

    Pick and choose your threads. Any Trump or breaking news politics themed thread is guaranteed to be trash. If you go onto a thread where a debate over policy is being had, then you get a more interesting discussion. Many of my economics threads turn out that way, even if they do get heated at times.

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    Re: Left vs Right.

    Quote Originally Posted by enderpotato00 View Post
    Now for the record, I'm not saying I'm perfect or better than anyone else. This is pretty much of an opinion, but here we go.

    I primarily identify as a moderate conservative. So slightly on the right. I will admit that my side (often) does the same exact crap as the left does. But here's what bothers me a lot on this site.

    1. It has so much left-wing bias.

    While I understand everyone is going to have a bias, this just ruins a lot of my experience on here.
    It seems like conservatives are a minority on here, and thats a problem. If we are going to "debate", we need to have opposing sides.

    2. No actual debating

    Despite what the site is called, I don't see any actual debating on here.
    Its always this "its my way or the highway", and/or "bash the other side to feel better about yourself, b/c you feel morally superior", something like that.
    Thats not debating, its just insulting people, who have different opinions than you. I will admit I have done this myself! But I'm trying not to do that so much.

    3. Again, insulting

    I've noticed this a lot with liberals against Trump Supporters. Apparently we all are racist, dumbasses (somehow?). My side does this too.

    4. Disregard my opinions b/c I'm young.

    Now I understand that obviously I don't have enough experience, but usually I'm disregarded b/c I'm young.
    But I guarantee if I agreed with the liberal philosophy, I would be "super intelligent", and "well-educated". Just my two cents.

    Anyways, what I'm saying is that being a liberal or conservative is not bad. Being a libertarian is not bad.
    It just more annoys me when instead of actually providing solutions, its always bitching or insulting each other.
    Anyways that's all I wanted to say. Thank you and have a good day.
    It does not seem possible to debate "Left vs. Right" in a non-political thread. What you really seem to be saying, and I completely agree with, is that you would prefer folks regardless of their political lean to offer constructive criticism rather than to simply claim the moral or intellectual high ground and accuse any who disagree with them as being immoral or less intelligent.
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: Left vs Right.

    Quote Originally Posted by enderpotato00 View Post
    Now for the record, I'm not saying I'm perfect or better than anyone else. This is pretty much of an opinion, but here we go.

    I primarily identify as a moderate conservative. So slightly on the right. I will admit that my side (often) does the same exact crap as the left does. But here's what bothers me a lot on this site.

    ...

    2. No actual debating

    Despite what the site is called, I don't see any actual debating on here.
    ...

    ...

    4. Disregard my opinions b/c I'm young.

    Now I understand that obviously I don't have enough experience, but usually I'm disregarded b/c I'm young.
    But I guarantee if I agreed with the liberal philosophy, I would be "super intelligent", and "well-educated". Just my two cents.

    ...

    It just more annoys me when instead of actually providing solutions, its always bitching or insulting each other.
    Anyways that's all I wanted to say. Thank you and have a good day.
    [deletions due to character limit]

    Thanks and you have a good one too.

    I'll address a couple of the thoughts you've expressed:

    Red:
    I tend to agree with you on this point. Variously, I've expressly and tacitly entreated for and responded to express/tacit entreaties to debate. What do I get in reply? "Crickets" (or on occasion, near as makes no difference), ridiculously weak rebuttals, or occasionally an insipid response about the length of my post, or even more puerilly, my diction.

    As for why folks engage in mindless argy-bary rather than debate is anyone's guess. I can say that I've observed that fairly often folks entreat for debate on topics they don't very well understand. It's all but impossible to debate a topic of which one's comprehension is but cursory. Another observation is that many folks seem not to comprehend what actually is the central topic/theme being debated, although, in fairness, often enough, OP-ers don't open their threads with well defined discussion topics. In the latter instances, a thread cannot help but be incoherent as a debate.


    Blue:
    I haven't any idea of your age; however, I can say that if you frequently enough reply jejunely to my posts, I will add you to my ignore list. It won't be because you are young; it'll be because you've, with puerile and ill-considered thoughts, consumed as much of my time as I'm willing to allow. It's about your responding as a minor would, not that you are/aren't a minor.

    That said, my writing style isn't easily "digested" by minors. That's partly by design, but mostly because it's how I and my peers and friends routinely (in the "real world") write and speak, and I'm too damned lazy to bother here writing formally rather than conversationally. The thing is that I'm not particularly desirous of feedback/debate worthy only of minors, though I don't mind debate with minors who also are strong forensic debaters, provided the subject matter is one suited to their age and experience level, or is otherwise something minors can with portfolio discuss.
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    Re: Left vs Right.

    Quote Originally Posted by Xelor View Post
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    Thanks and you have a good one too.

    I'll address a couple of the thoughts you've expressed:

    Red:
    I tend to agree with you on this point. Variously, I've expressly and tacitly entreated for and responded to express/tacit entreaties to debate. What do I get in reply? "Crickets" (or on occasion, near as makes no difference), ridiculously weak rebuttals, or occasionally an insipid response about the length of my post, or even more puerilly, my diction.

    As for why folks engage in mindless argy-bary rather than debate is anyone's guess. I can say that I've observed that fairly often folks entreat for debate on topics they don't very well understand. It's all but impossible to debate a topic of which one's comprehension is but cursory. Another observation is that many folks seem not to comprehend what actually is the central topic/theme being debated, although, in fairness, often enough, OP-ers don't open their threads with well defined discussion topics. In the latter instances, a thread cannot help but be incoherent as a debate.


    Blue:
    I haven't any idea of your age; however, I can say that if you frequently enough reply jejunely to my posts, I will add you to my ignore list. It won't be because you are young; it'll be because you've, with puerile and ill-considered thoughts, consumed as much of my time as I'm willing to allow. It's about your responding as a minor would, not that you are/aren't a minor.

    That said, my writing style isn't easily "digested" by minors. That's partly by design, but mostly because it's how I and my peers and friends routinely (in the "real world") write and speak, and I'm too damned lazy to bother here writing formally rather than conversationally. The thing is that I'm not particularly desirous of feedback/debate worthy only of minors, though I don't mind debate with minors who also are strong forensic debaters, provided the subject matter is one suited to their age and experience level, or is otherwise something minors can with portfolio discuss.
    Thanks for the comment. I just want to point out that I'm not a minor. I'm an adult. Not trying to sound like an ass, I'm just stating here. Other than that, good points.

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    Re: Left vs Right.

    Quote Originally Posted by enderpotato00 View Post
    Now for the record, I'm not saying I'm perfect or better than anyone else. This is pretty much of an opinion, but here we go.

    I primarily identify as a moderate conservative. So slightly on the right. I will admit that my side (often) does the same exact crap as the left does. But here's what bothers me a lot on this site.

    1. It has so much left-wing bias.

    While I understand everyone is going to have a bias, this just ruins a lot of my experience on here.
    It seems like conservatives are a minority on here, and thats a problem. If we are going to "debate", we need to have opposing sides.

    2. No actual debating

    Despite what the site is called, I don't see any actual debating on here.
    Its always this "its my way or the highway", and/or "bash the other side to feel better about yourself, b/c you feel morally superior", something like that.
    Thats not debating, its just insulting people, who have different opinions than you. I will admit I have done this myself! But I'm trying not to do that so much.

    3. Again, insulting

    I've noticed this a lot with liberals against Trump Supporters. Apparently we all are racist, dumbasses (somehow?). My side does this too.

    4. Disregard my opinions b/c I'm young.

    Now I understand that obviously I don't have enough experience, but usually I'm disregarded b/c I'm young.
    But I guarantee if I agreed with the liberal philosophy, I would be "super intelligent", and "well-educated". Just my two cents.

    Anyways, what I'm saying is that being a liberal or conservative is not bad. Being a libertarian is not bad.
    It just more annoys me when instead of actually providing solutions, its always bitching or insulting each other.
    Anyways that's all I wanted to say. Thank you and have a good day.
    If you hadn't told us, I would never have known you are young. PS: At my age there are a LOT of young people around.


    As to the message of your post, I think you did an excellent job summarizing the situation.


    This IS a debate site and there are people from all points on the spectrum that WILL debate you and keep it on point. Not as many as I would like but a few. I've had several really good interchanges with those that either claim a left lean or choose a non-descript "lean" for their avatar but whose posts make their lean crystal clear. There are others who prefer to just sling ****, call names and hurl insults. I have little patience with these folks and I will admit I respond in kind, and I have a long memory.

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    Re: Left vs Right.

    I should add, that I neither desire nor require adherence to any formal rules of debate. I prefer a conversational forum. Think of sitting around the table or the fit pit in the backyard over a beer and burger.

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    Re: Left vs Right.

    For me some posts are just so ridiculous they deserve a sarcastic non answer. I imagine I'm like most folks on here, I'll take a serious question and answer it seriously but most questions, even mine are just for the sake of entertainment. People get too wound up in their positions and way to emotional. I do not care for our current president. I think he is not qualified, surrounds himself with unsavory people and lies constantly while berating everybody and everything, even his own party. Trying to have a debate with his hard core supporters is near impossible because they refuse to believe their own eyes and ears and will defend everything trump. Also the name calling is out of control on here.
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    Re: Left vs Right.

    Quote Originally Posted by bongsaway View Post
    For me some posts are just so ridiculous they deserve a sarcastic non answer. I imagine I'm like most folks on here, I'll take a serious question and answer it seriously but most questions, even mine are just for the sake of entertainment. People get too wound up in their positions and way to emotional. I do not care for our current president. I think he is not qualified, surrounds himself with unsavory people and lies constantly while berating everybody and everything, even his own party. Trying to have a debate with his hard core supporters is near impossible because they refuse to believe their own eyes and ears and will defend everything trump. Also the name calling is out of control on here.
    I don't love Trump, I'm kind of neutral towards him now. I can agree with that statement. I try to debate people who think California is just fine, and they just don't listen, b/c I'm a conservative California, apparently my opinion doesn't matter. I don't agree with progressives a lot, but you seem to actually try and understand the other side. For that, I commend you.

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    Re: Left vs Right.

    Quote Originally Posted by enderpotato00 View Post
    I don't love Trump, I'm kind of neutral towards him now. I can agree with that statement. I try to debate people who think California is just fine, and they just don't listen, b/c I'm a conservative California, apparently my opinion doesn't matter. I don't agree with progressives a lot, but you seem to actually try and understand the other side. For that, I commend you.
    You are welcome. I've been trying to understand the right for many years, decades even, I just don't get it?
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