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Please explain to me why Trump is horrible....

ecofarm said:
There is no doubt in my mind.

You believe Rense (a Holocaust denying nazi) is a reliable and reputable source for WWII history.

You have an MSc or PhD(c)? No, you don't. And the stupid BS you've posted in this thread looks like post secondary was prison.
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There you go again eco, letting Rense defeat you all over again. Like I said before, you got so hung up on one detail that it basically blinded you from the whole topic and you not only allowed for it to defeat you. But you propagated that defeat all by yourself, as I barely had to do anything after the fact.

Once again. Due to our past interactions, you've yet to prove that you're anywhere near my level.

PhD by the way, though the terminology is more appropriately PsyD in my case.

Now please try and steer back onto the topic, because you're starting to get boring.
 
ecofarm said:
I'm more educated than you.
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Xelor said:
Above all else, Trump is horrible because he's a liar who lies so often and about so many things, great and small, that his word cannot be relied upon.
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Bingo !

Trumps supporters may have no issue with low standards in leadership, it does not mean the rest of us should. Air Force core value, integrity, and this CIC has none.
 
homersapien said:
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Not bad. But to be clear, you're making a joke. No one can hold that against me.

When an uneducated member posts some of the most disgustingly stupid and morally void garbage this site has ever seen - and then takes a shot at my education "stay in school, kids", I have every right to throw his pathetic and inferior education in his face. And laugh when he lies.
 
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<alt>doxygen said:
Are you awake? "fake news" is whatever donald trump doesn't like:
https://ew.com/tv/2017/06/27/donald-trump-fake-news-twitter/

Basically, if media doesn't lick his boots, it's "fake".
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Fake news is reporting that includes and omits topics, opinions and facts to create or maintain a narrative rather than to simply report what happened.

It doesn't need to be detrimental to Trump to be Fake News. It only needs to be fake. That said, hacks like Jim Acosta routinely practice this journalistic aberration.
 
code1211 said:
Fake news is reporting that includes and omits topics, opinions and facts to create or maintain a narrative rather than to simply report what happened.

It doesn't need to be detrimental to Trump to be Fake News. It only needs to be fake. That said, hacks like Jim Acosta routinely practice this journalistic aberration.
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So you agree Fox News is Fake News?
 
Rising Sun said:
Yes, I made an observation and you replied with several sophomoric replies. Sad.
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Your inability to understand is interesting.

That you assign blame to me for you inability is also interesting.
 
code1211 said:
Fake news is reporting that includes and omits topics, opinions and facts to create or maintain a narrative rather than to simply report what happened.
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True; agreed. That didn't start with Trump. It really started back in the 1990's.

It doesn't need to be detrimental to Trump to be Fake News. It only needs to be fake. That said, hacks like Jim Acosta routinely practice this journalistic aberration
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Some outlets and talking heads do that garbage too much and as a result, I don't think of them as "news" - that includes the folks Trump loves on Fox.
 
Rising Sun said:
So you agree Fox News is Fake News?
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It's amazing that people can be as blind as some are and not know they are blind.

Fake News is Fake News. The source makes no difference. The specific aroma of defecated material can have subtle differences, but the defecated material is very similar.

Are you asserting that the source of news dictates whether or not the news "reported" is fake?

Are some sources never wrong and some sources never right?
 
enderpotato00 said:
I get it all the time that Trump is horrible and will ruin America. Can you please explain why? Actual answers, not talking points please.
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He has a disregard for our institutions. He undercuts the intelligence community, his own justice department and the institutions of accountability. This is a very dangerous precedent.
He has a disregard for science, facts, research, data, truth and expertise. His "gut" is smarter than scientists? This is extremely dangerous.
He rips us treaties. Whether or not you agree with the treaties, he is undermining the reliability of America in international agreements. This just means any treaty Trump signs, President Pence can over turn in 9 months.
His trade wars are economically disastrous. We're just beginning to see global markets respond to trade wars. Every entry level economics student knows this.
He hires criminals. Just look at the convictions to date. That is the iceberg tip.
He hires incompetents. His children don't know a damn thing about the issues they're supposed to be addressing.
He remains a walking conflict of interests. He still has business interests that conflict with his day job as President.
He is a confirmed liar. His relationship with the truth is disastrous. He denies things. He gets caught. He changes his lie to a new lie and then lies about having lied in the first place.
He is narcissistic. He got totally punked by Kim Jong Un. Trump declared "we're in love" regarding Kim, who just chuckled and resumed nuclear testing and facilities building. Kim got everything out of those discussions. America lost ground.

I could go on and on, but my fingers are tired.
 
code1211 said:
Fake news is reporting that includes and omits topics, opinions and facts to create or maintain a narrative rather than to simply report what happened.
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ALL news has to decide what facts to report. The idea that good news includes all topics, opinions and facts is logically absurd. The label "Fake News" just means news that doesn't conform to the accusers point of view.
 
<alt>doxygen said:
True; agreed. That didn't start with Trump. It really started back in the 1990's.



Some outlets and talking heads do that garbage too much and as a result, I don't think of them as "news" - that includes the folks Trump loves on Fox.
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Are you including every program on FOX? Every thought presented? Every story reported? How much FOX news do you watch?

Regarding Fake News, not long ago, maybe 100 years and ongoing back from there, journalism was ALL propaganda.

Newspapers were all produced by special interests whether they were political parties or biased organizations.

The good thing about this was that the bias someone preferred could be found and the lies balanced out.

Journalism as a profession led folks to create standards of ethics. These are used today, but often the "standards" are regarded more as guidelines and are often discarded.

"Remember the Maine" as a battle cry resulted from a manufactured bit of Fake news that led the US to a war. Fake news is nothing new.

Proper attribution is lost. I don't recall the first time I heard it reported that Trump's Chief of Staff would resign "soon", but it feels like it's been about 6 months. Who is the source that always gets this crap wrong? Why is that source continuously used?

Nobody would touch the reporting on the Dossier that is being used to bludgeon Trump, but when one backwater rag put it out, the rest "reported" what was reported in the rag.

Dan Rather literally makes crap up, the CBS editorial staff approves it and they broadcast it as fact when the whole thing is an intentional lie. This is disgusting.

The state of our journalism is such that Trump says "Fake News" is the enemy of the people and the media reports that Trump says a "free press" is the enemy of the people.

Can they REALLY not tell the difference? My guess is that they cannot. Additionally, they are trying to create or maintain a narrative and this fits the narrative only when they twist it.
 
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code1211 said:
Are you including every program on FOX? Every thought presented? Every story reported? How much FOX news do you watch?

Regarding Fake News, not long ago, maybe 100 years and ongoing back from there, journalism was ALL propaganda.

Newspapers were all produced by special interests whether they were political parties or biased organizations.

The good thing about this was that the bias you preferred could be found and the lies balanced out.

Journalism as a profession led folks to create standards of ethics. These are used today, but often the "standards" are regarded more as guidelines and are often discarded.

"Remember the Maine" as a battle cry resulted from a manufactured bit of Fake news that led the US to a war. This is nothing new.

Proper attribution is lost. I don't recall the first time I heard it reported that Trump's Chief of Staff would resign "soon", but it feels like it's been about 6 months.

Nobody would touch the reporting on the Dossier that is being used to bludgeon Trump, but when one backwater rag put it out, the rest "reported" what was reported in the rag.

Dan Rather literally makes crap up, the CBS editorial staff approves it and they broadcast it as fact when the whole thing is an intentional lie. This is disgusting.

The state of our journalism is such that Trump says "Fake News" is the enemy of the people and the media reports that Trump says a "free press" is the enemy of the people.

Can they REALLY not tell the difference? My guess is that they cannot. Additionally, they are trying to create or maintain a narrative and this fits the narrative only when they twist it.
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You correctly note that "news" has always been laced with BS and propaganda. Media is a capitalist, profit driven enterprise, private, or state owned. It will always push an agenda to some extent. Trump seemingly can't handle that reality.

He does love Fox, though.

I only see Fox on monitors at the gym. From what I can tell, they are pushing a pro-Trump agenda most of the time. 8-11pm is just dripping with it. CNN in that timeframe is just the other side of the coin.
 
Todzilla said:
ALL news has to decide what facts to report. The idea that good news includes all topics, opinions and facts is logically absurd. The label "Fake News" just means news that doesn't conform to the accusers point of view.
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Not at all.

There is, as I've often heard, your story, my story and the truth, but when the presenters of the news ALWAYS portray a particular point of view that is not variable,it's probalby fake news.

I live in Indianapolis. On our sports shows, you'd think that the Pacers and the Colts are the most important teams in their respective leagues.

Folks in Los Angeles might disagree.

It is accepted that sports coverage is biased. Regular news reporting should not be, but it is.

So Obama is asked what part of being president he finds to be most enchanting. Conversely, Trump is asked why he hates women.

Incidentally, Romney was also accused of hating women by the press in their coverage. This is not a coincidence or accident.
 
marke said:
Trump is horrible in the eyes of democrat socialists who see him as an impediment to their progressive efforts toward making America hedonistic and ungodly.
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Donald Trump is an impediment to hedonism and Godlessness?

Wow.
 
code1211 said:
Not at all.

There is, as I've often heard, your story, my story and the truth, but when the presenters of the news ALWAYS portray a particular point of view that is not variable,it's probalby fake news.

I live in Indianapolis. On our sports shows, you'd think that the Pacers and the Colts are the most important teams in their respective leagues.

Folks in Los Angeles might disagree.

It is accepted that sports coverage is biased. Regular news reporting should not be, but it is.

So Obama is asked what part of being president he finds to be most enchanting. Conversely, Trump is asked why he hates women.

Incidentally, Romney was also accused of hating women by the press in their coverage. This is not a coincidence or accident.
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I agree there are varying degrees of bias in new reporting. But I take issue that all one has to do is report all the facts of a story to be un-biased. That's just nonsense. You can, however have news providers like NPR that regularly feature different sides of an issue, with great care. However, even NPR shows a bias when it chooses to do stories on transgender quinoa farmers in Ecuador.
 
<alt>doxygen said:
You correctly note that "news" has always been laced with BS and propaganda. Media is a capitalist, profit driven enterprise, private, or state owned. It will always push an agenda to some extent. Trump seemingly can't handle that reality.

He does love Fox, though.

I only see Fox on monitors at the gym. From what I can tell, they are pushing a pro-Trump agenda most of the time. 8-11pm is just dripping with it. CNN in that timeframe is just the other side of the coin.
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I enjoy the discussion show "The 5" on FOX. It's lively discussion with five pretty intelligent people of varying positions on the political spectrum. I don't regularly watch other shows on FOX. I've seen a few examples in prime time and they are pretty predictable. Same with the CNN stuff in prime time.

Regarding the major network news shows, the only one I watch regularly is NBC. It's almost comical how they must, in every show, insert the message that Trump is a jerk. They'll run stories from weeks ago if there's nothing that happened today.

Trump seems to watch "Fox and Friends". It's partly news, partly talk and partly entertainment. Kind of like Oprah without the prizes. I find the news with Brett Bair (sp?) on at 6:00 Eastern to be pretty fair and balanced in the presentation of the news. I used to watch it a lot. I don't watch it much anymore due to scheduling conflicts.

Anyway, opinion is opinion. News is supposed to be news, but is often opinion.

I was astonished when Peter Jennings used the attacks on 9-11 to make the point that Bush was not a good communicator. Like there was not enough news that day to fill his segment...

It's this kind of idiocy in our media that leaves me stunned.
 
Todzilla said:
I agree there are varying degrees of bias in new reporting. But I take issue that all one has to do is report all the facts of a story to be un-biased. That's just nonsense. You can, however have news providers like NPR that regularly feature different sides of an issue, with great care. However, even NPR shows a bias when it chooses to do stories on transgender quinoa farmers in Ecuador.
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I remember in the past, Newt Gingrich introduced the idea that Social Security should be changed to allow people to choose either a system more like a 401K model into which they could place their SS Contributions or stick with the old system. He presented the various advantages and noted that the current system is a Ponzi scheme.

He said that given this choice, the old Social Security System's model would simply die on the vine.

How was this reported? Here's how: Gingrich wants the Social Security System to die on the vine. The die on the vine part was repeated endlessly.

This is journalistic malpractice.

NPR's choice of stories to present is interesting. I wonder why we still have a government subsidized broadcasting operation. They do advertise. Why are supporting them?

It's not like we don't have ample options without them.
 
Trump is a douchebag...but that doesnt explain the leftist hatred of him. Trump is who he has been his entire life and through his entire life Trump dined with, partied with, and donated to the same people that today vilify him. Trumps greatest 'crime' is that he ran for office as the GOP candidate and won. I PROMISE you...had it been Cruz, the mindless leftist hatred would be no less intense. Same with Rubio. Same with any other republican. Just as the mindless ****heads on the left have done with every republican placed in a cabinet position. If Trump steps down or is removed, it will be the same with Pence. Should Trump not run in 2020 and another republican win, it will be the same with that republican.

The problem is not with Trump. He is who he is. And the problem is not with MOST democrats and liberals. They get who he is and its pretty much politics as usual. The problem is with the mindless deranged hate-filled hate-fueled leftist ****heads.
 
enderpotato00 said:
I get it all the time that Trump is horrible and will ruin America. Can you please explain why? Actual answers, not talking points please.
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It's been said a million times on this forum because liberals actually back up their position unlike most conservatives, particularly on message boards so I suspect you really don't care. Anyway, to name a few

1. He is an embarrassment worldwide and is ruining relationships with allies, cozying up to enemies, etc.
2. He is an idiot, he doesn't know much about anything, and he hardly works, golfs, tweets and watches fox news.
3. His policies are to remove all protection there are to protect companies from polluting, poisioning, destroying the environment, harming people., just so greedy oil companies can exploit our land to suck even more wealth out of his country.
4. He is divisive, inflaming all the racist idiots to feel jusitfied in their racism, as noted by the increase in hate crimes
5. His tax cuts have put us further in debt and done absolutely nothing to help the working man, its just giving already super rich assholes even more money, including himself.
6. He's using his office for his own personal gain.
7. If there is any test of this country, he won't be able to handle it since he has no leadership skills and is a complete buffoon

that's just the tip of the iceberg and I suspect you know all the legit reasons but are just trolling
 
code1211 said:
It's amazing that people can be as blind as some are and not know they are blind.

Fake News is Fake News. The source makes no difference. The specific aroma of defecated material can have subtle differences, but the defecated material is very similar.

Are you asserting that the source of news dictates whether or not the news "reported" is fake?

Are some sources never wrong and some sources never right?
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Agreed about people blinding themselves. Do you think they do it because they are partisan assclowns? Just ****ing morons? Both?

Thanks for agreeing that Fox News is guilty of fake news per your definition:

code1211 said:
Fake news is reporting that includes and omits topics, opinions and facts to create or maintain a narrative rather than to simply report what happened.

It doesn't need to be detrimental to Trump to be Fake News. It only needs to be fake. That said, hacks like Jim Acosta routinely practice this journalistic aberration.
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code1211 said:
I enjoy the discussion show "The 5" on FOX. It's lively discussion with five pretty intelligent people of varying positions on the political spectrum. I don't regularly watch other shows on FOX. I've seen a few examples in prime time and they are pretty predictable. Same with the CNN stuff in prime time.

Regarding the major network news shows, the only one I watch regularly is NBC. It's almost comical how they must, in every show, insert the message that Trump is a jerk. They'll run stories from weeks ago if there's nothing that happened today.

Trump seems to watch "Fox and Friends". It's partly news, partly talk and partly entertainment. Kind of like Oprah without the prizes. I find the news with Brett Bair (sp?) on at 6:00 Eastern to be pretty fair and balanced in the presentation of the news. I used to watch it a lot. I don't watch it much anymore due to scheduling conflicts.

Anyway, opinion is opinion. News is supposed to be news, but is often opinion.

I was astonished when Peter Jennings used the attacks on 9-11 to make the point that Bush was not a good communicator. Like there was not enough news that day to fill his segment...

It's this kind of idiocy in our media that leaves me stunned.
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They all seem to be playing to a demographic to some extent. Fox and MSNBC seem the worst. CNN may have dropped to MSNBC's level by now, who knows, they don't have that on at the gym anymore.

Fox : Haven't really watched The Five this year, but I've seen those 8-11pm shows enough to know what they're about. That's a non-stop RNC/Trump commercial.

Afternoons - Smith seems like a pretty normal news guy, and Cavuto can be at times. Only very limited exposure to the afternoon and early evening stuff.

I did catch F&F once, and it really gave me the impression that they were trading ideas with Trump. This was last March, so I can't remember if F&F was echoing Trump or vice versa, but that was very disconcerting/weird.
 
Sampson Simpson said:
It's been said a million times on this forum because liberals actually back up their position unlike most conservatives, particularly on message boards so I suspect you really don't care. Anyway, to name a few

1. He is an embarrassment worldwide and is ruining relationships with allies, cozying up to enemies, etc.
2. He is an idiot, he doesn't know much about anything, and he hardly works, golfs, tweets and watches fox news.
3. His policies are to remove all protection there are to protect companies from polluting, poisioning, destroying the environment, harming people., just so greedy oil companies can exploit our land to suck even more wealth out of his country.
4. He is divisive, inflaming all the racist idiots to feel jusitfied in their racism, as noted by the increase in hate crimes
5. His tax cuts have put us further in debt and done absolutely nothing to help the working man, its just giving already super rich assholes even more money, including himself.
6. He's using his office for his own personal gain.
7. If there is any test of this country, he won't be able to handle it since he has no leadership skills and is a complete buffoon

that's just the tip of the iceberg and I suspect you know all the legit reasons but are just trolling
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Really? Thats the biggest lie I've ever heard. Liberal telling their position. Bull****!
 
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