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I got the flu shot, what did I get?

HonestJoe said:
Yes. I don’t think it’d be practical if the doctor had to allow enough time for every single vaccine recipient to receive detailed answers to any question they might have. There needs to be routes for patients to get that information if they want it, I just don’t see that as a viable means to achieve it.

It’d be on the box it came in. A random patient may or may not be able to interpret that information of course. That’s part of the problem I’m talking about. Even if the doctors spent time providing all of the information, many patients still wouldn’t be in a position to make an informed decision.

I totally agree with that in principle, the question is what practical outcome you’re expecting. As I said, when we’re dealing with a complex technical field, most of us are inevitably going to have to trust in what the experts in that field tell us to some extent.
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Maybe it's the degree to which we trust that is the issue.

I have stories on how taking ownership of my own health and family members has been of great benefit. I blindly trust no one no matter the title. I know too much about people.

Funny story, one time in the ER a doctor is talking to me and says, "I see you have white coat-itiz." (meaning I was not agreeing with his evaluation blindly) i garbed him by his smock and said, "yes, and I got it from incompetent doctors." I was pissed and he saw that. It was true. I realized I had to take ownership of my condition or they'd kill me. There is more to the story but I'll leave it at that.

But still, I want to know what I was vaccinated against so I can apply it practically. Last year I avoided concerts, fast food and restaurant dinning for example. This year, with a good vaccine match I may not.
 
Rising Sun said:
The three most commonly expected strains are put into vaccines. It takes several weeks to create a batch large enough to inoculate everyone. Sometimes the CDC guesses wrong which is why some years the shot doesn't protect against the prevailing strain. FWIW, as a frequent traveler, I always stay current on my shots including the annual flu shot.

OTOH, we could talk about chemtrails. :)

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You wingnuts love your conspiracy theories.
 
noonereal said:
You wingnuts love your conspiracy theories.
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LOL. Not a conspiracy theorist, but thanks for jumping to that conclusion, it fits you.

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noonereal said:
I'd abolish the flu shot if I were King and put the cash into implementing and enforcing, stopping disease spreading actions we engage in daily.
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Disease spreading actions such as what?
 
Dragonfly said:
Disease spreading actions such as what?
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Lots of simple stuff that we should all do anyways.

Here is one, I went for an MRI last week and the attendant was sick. WTF was he doing at work? I went to the hospital to get better. I'd fine the damned hospital enough that they'd never let him work. Same with the pharmacy. Just yesterday. Women at the courtier was visibly sick. WTF? Address this kind of thing.

It is said that we are exposed to more virus on a supermarket cart handle than anywhere else. Make it socially obligatory to wipe the handle with a disinfectant after every customer.

We give awards for kids who do not miss any school. When I was young I'd go to school all the time sick. It was part of being tough. Stop this crap. Give awards for staying home 48 hours after the fever has broken instead.

The deli across the street has their employees wash their hands between every customer they service. Enforce this in every deli.

Asians wear masks when they are sick. Americans think nothing of being sick and using their folk to spear communal foods. (like appetizers or deserts) Are you freakin kidding me? Educate and enforce.

I could go on and on and on. You'd be way better protected than by getting a flu shot.
 
noonereal said:
....I could go on and on and on. You'd be way better protected than by getting a flu shot.
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Isn't it smarter to use all of those protective measures and still get the shot?...or do you think the government is injecting fluoride into your precious bodily fluids?
 
Rising Sun said:
Isn't it smarter to use all of those protective measures and still get the shot?...or do you think the government is injecting fluoride into your precious bodily fluids?
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I am not rejecting the flu short. I was simply saying that I believe we could have better protection with a different strategy. If the same dollars were used to prevent spread by other means.

You are correct, the choice does not need be binary.
 
noonereal said:
I am not rejecting the flu short. I was simply saying that I believe we could have better protection with a different strategy. If the same dollars were used to prevent spread by other means.

You are correct, the choice does not need be binary.
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Such as masks, Purell and encouraging sick people to stay home? I completely agree, but I'd still get my shots.
 
Rising Sun said:
Such as masks, Purell and encouraging sick people to stay home? I completely agree, but I'd still get my shots.
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You know, only the USA and Canada encourage the Flu shot for the general populous... just saying.

Other countries just don't see the value as it's so ineffective. Like I said, I got one because it can't hurt. I just don't have much faith in it helping.
 
noonereal said:
You know, only the USA and Canada encourage the Flu shot for the general populous... just saying.

Other countries just don't see the value as it's so ineffective. Like I said, I got one because it can't hurt. I just don't have much faith in it helping.
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Link to it being "ineffective"? More likely it's about money and Germany has paid a price for it: https://www.thelocal.de/20180223/where-the-flu-outbreak-has-been-hitting-germany-worst
Some 82,000 cases of flu have been confirmed nationwide this winter and at least 136 people have already died due to the virus. Most of the deaths were of elderly people who had a pre-existing condition.

The Frankfurter Rundschau reports that hospitals in Frankfurt are struggling to cope with the large numbers of new cases. On occasion no hospitals in the city have been able to take in new flu patients, a spokesman for the city health authority told the newspaper.....The World Health Organization complained earlier this month that too few elderly people in Europe are being vaccinated against the flu.

“I urge European countries to increase the rate of vaccination,” Zsuzsanna Jakab, WHO regional director said, adding that three out of four elderly people should be given a vaccine.

The current of rate of vaccination among the elderly in most EU countries is between 30 and 40 percent.

 
Rising Sun said:
Link to it being "ineffective"? More likely it's about money and Germany has paid a price for it: https://www.thelocal.de/20180223/where-the-flu-outbreak-has-been-hitting-germany-worst
Some 82,000 cases of flu have been confirmed nationwide this winter and at least 136 people have already died due to the virus. Most of the deaths were of elderly people who had a pre-existing condition.

The Frankfurter Rundschau reports that hospitals in Frankfurt are struggling to cope with the large numbers of new cases. On occasion no hospitals in the city have been able to take in new flu patients, a spokesman for the city health authority told the newspaper.....The World Health Organization complained earlier this month that too few elderly people in Europe are being vaccinated against the flu.

“I urge European countries to increase the rate of vaccination,” Zsuzsanna Jakab, WHO regional director said, adding that three out of four elderly people should be given a vaccine.

The current of rate of vaccination among the elderly in most EU countries is between 30 and 40 percent.
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This is from last year when the entire globe had a bad year. The southern hemisphere in out summer and then Europe and the USA in the winter.

this year will not be as bad as the southern hemisphere had a very mild year

Big Pharma will buy it's way into other countries as time goes on. Wouldn't you go after the biggest market in the world first too? It's got nothing to do with Europe wanting to not pay. If it was effective it would save cash in the end.
 
I got the shot when I was already apparently incubating a nice illness and I got Pneumonia again. Huzzah! Talk about awful timing.

I'm still going to get one each year because I'm around immuno-compromised people and I do what I can. /shrug.
 
TTB said:
I got the shot when I was already apparently incubating a nice illness and I got Pneumonia again. Huzzah! Talk about awful timing.

I'm still going to get one each year because I'm around immuno-compromised people and I do what I can. /shrug.
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Did you get a pneumonia immunization? IIRC, they're good for about 5 years.

I doubt the vaccinations are effective against those who are already sick.
 
The vaccines don't help if you're already sick. You're also not supposed to take them if you are sick. I was sick and didn't know it yet though. There is that window.

I didn't even know pneumonia shots were even a thing until this last time I caught it. Mostly because I hate doctors and hospitals. I have one scheduled now. Thanks for the heads up though. I've had pneumonia 3 times now... it always seems to be just as miserable.
 
TTB said:
The vaccines don't help if you're already sick. You're also not supposed to take them if you are sick. I was sick and didn't know it yet though. There is that window.

I didn't even know pneumonia shots were even a thing until this last time I caught it. Mostly because I hate doctors and hospitals. I have one scheduled now. Thanks for the heads up though. I've had pneumonia 3 times now... it always seems to be just as miserable.
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I hate getting sick too and am exposed to a lot of people from all parts of the planet. Common sense hygiene and vaccinations are my best defense.
 
noonereal said:
I finally got the flu shot. First one I have ever had.

I asked what was in it... what strains it may protect me against? The attendee did not know. The Doctor did not know. A second doctor did not know.
Instead they tried to hand me papers which advocated the flu shot be taken.

So I am wondering, does anyone here know what was in their flu shot? What strains am I possibly protected against? If the received the appropriate vaccine? Who manufactured it? Was it age/method of delivery appropriate?

and if not, why not? What a society of sheep we are. Government tells us to get a flu shot (not the best solution to flu to start with) and we go.
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While your story maybe true i find it hard to believe....
my doctor and staff always knew what flu shot im getting and provided paperwork with it and when i go online to look at my chart it also says there too

ive also got it at two stand alone places and they knew there what it was also... just seems hard to believe they didnt know since ive always seen it highly regulated labeled controlled and that information is required to be recorded accurately in your chart etc

lastly i got the flu shot because the doctor said i should. she said i didnt have to though so i took her advice and ive gotten it every year since like forever lol

now like anything you inject into your body certainly people react differently and certain people cant do certain shots and then sometimes your own body changes and rejects things.:shrug:

IF your story is true though id never go back to that doctors again nor would i have ever let them inject me with somethign they could identify?????? another reason why i find your story unlikely :shrug:
 
noonereal said:
You know, only the USA and Canada encourage the Flu shot for the general populous... just saying.

Other countries just don't see the value as it's so ineffective. Like I said, I got one because it can't hurt. I just don't have much faith in it helping.
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Not true. All the countries of Europe and the UK vaccinate for flu. I believe Australia does too, but I'm not certain.
 
Manc Skipper said:
Not true. All the countries of Europe and the UK vaccinate for flu. I believe Australia does too, but I'm not certain.
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All European countries do it. I've been 'flu-free for many years because of 'flu shots.
 
Rising Sun said:
Dude, I know you're a naysayer and believe vaccinations don't work, but it's clearly dated February 2018. That's this year.
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I pray you are not serious.

February 2018 is last years flu season. I take my exasperation back, you may well not know.

I am honestly not sure if you are being a wise guy or are unaware of how the flu season runs. It's November through April. So we are in the 18-19 flu season now. That link is to last year, the 2017-2018 season.

BTW, I understand, likely much better than you, about the flu vaccine and it's probability of protecting against the flu.

You sound like you are working on sound bites not having read anything in depth. It's OK but realize there is more to it than you get your shot and your saved.
 
Manc Skipper said:
Not true. All the countries of Europe and the UK vaccinate for flu. I believe Australia does too, but I'm not certain.
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This is easily researched.

It's not banned, that is not what I am saying,.

It is not recommended for the general populous and big pharma is not supported with government funded campaigns to arm twist the people to get it.
 
AGENT J said:
While your story maybe true i find it hard to believe....
my doctor and staff always knew what flu shot im getting and provided paperwork with it and when i go online to look at my chart it also says there too

ive also got it at two stand alone places and they knew there what it was also... just seems hard to believe they didnt know since ive always seen it highly regulated labeled controlled and that information is required to be recorded accurately in your chart etc

lastly i got the flu shot because the doctor said i should. she said i didnt have to though so i took her advice and ive gotten it every year since like forever lol

now like anything you inject into your body certainly people react differently and certain people cant do certain shots and then sometimes your own body changes and rejects things.:shrug:

IF your story is true though id never go back to that doctors again nor would i have ever let them inject me with somethign they could identify?????? another reason why i find your story unlikely :shrug:
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So what was in your vaccination shot?

Let's hear it. Can you take a pic of the info you were given and post it?

WTF do you mean, questioning my "story?"

I am sure they garbed a flu vaccine from the shelf just like a bloke at McDonald grabs a fry bag and puts fries in when ordered. I doubt either very often read the ingredients. Clearly they were not accustomed to being questioned as to whats in the little vile that says flu vaccine on it.

Anyway, I am waiting to hear who manufactured your vaccine and what strains it contains.
 
noonereal said:
I finally got the flu shot. First one I have ever had.

I asked what was in it... what strains it may protect me against? The attendee did not know. The Doctor did not know. A second doctor did not know.
Instead they tried to hand me papers which advocated the flu shot be taken.

So I am wondering, does anyone here know what was in their flu shot? What strains am I possibly protected against? If the received the appropriate vaccine? Who manufactured it? Was it age/method of delivery appropriate?

and if not, why not? What a society of sheep we are. Government tells us to get a flu shot (not the best solution to flu to start with) and we go.
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Half of all flu shots are placebos.... you got duped.
 
poweRob said:
I bet they don't know about ****ing magnets... how do they work?
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They do know about them... and crystals, which is why they steer us clear of them because they know how effective they really are.
 
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