NevertrumpGOP...Out!

Personal News:

I’m not so sure how often people do this, but here it goes. I’m off on Vacation for the next two weeks. My brother who is two years younger than me is getting married this weekend! There’s a lot going on in my personal life and I will have limited time to go on DP. Even after the wedding I will have to get ready for grad school and might potentially start a new job in the next few months. So sadly, I’m thinking of cutting down my time on this site by a large factor. This has been a long time coming, really since Charlottesville. It was in my opinion one of the ugliest times I’ve seen on the site. I thought long and hard about this decision, and I have weighed the pros and cons of staying vs leaving. I personally do not see much use in logging on to the site every day like I have been doing for the past five years. It’s become more of a hindrance/obsession at certain time periods rather than helpful in understanding the nature of US politics.

Don’t get me wrong, it is a wonderful microscope into the thinking of different people from different parts of the country, that I might not have otherwise ever heard from before. I have had long drawn out conversations with Haymarket, Chomsky, TurtleDude, Grim17, Xelor, Cardinal, Fiddytree, Fletch, and Josie etc… A good balance of all viewpoints but I feel I’ve reached my max. Please do not be disappointed if I don’t name you. This is literally off the top of my head, as are/were all my posts on DP. I almost never have taken any of my opinions directly from partisan leaning websites or talking heads, and rarely did any of them agree with me. However, there were moments where what I wrote on DP came out in the news hours later. My opinions are usually derived from simply watching the world around me. Unabashedly balanced commentary that tried to eat through the partisan noise. Sometimes I failed, sometimes it worked. If I ultimately leave for good, what then? Did I fail?

Some of you know this story, but I actually come from the alt-right world; even before it was mainstream. Yep. Back then, I would have loved Trump! Except I was 13-18 at the time. About ten years ago, I used to post on one of the most popular conspiracy theory boards on the internet. It wasn’t until when I was threatened that I left. This started because I started questioning those conspiracy theories. So I left and found another political forum. The new one slowly got turned into a place that was a nasty breeding ground for stormfront trolls.

Fear not, I haven’t been threatened here. In these five years on DP, my outlook in life has greatly evolved. After my dabbling in conspiracy theory lore. It went from part time conspiracy theorist/cold hard conservative to a much too skeptical compassionate progressive and the people here were all a part of that transformation. And I could never forget/forgive you for that!

But much like the current crumbling infrastructure of the offices at the job I have now, I see the writing on the wall. Good people have been forced out of DP because of those same occurrences that I see time and time again on message boards. It seems that the politics has gotten nastier and more akin to a 4chan board. I believe that DP has lost something that it had when I first started. I can’t say what it is, maybe it’s soul? I don’t know myself, or maybe I’m feeling disenfranchised, worn out and tired of the noise? Who knows, maybe it comes directly from the top. Did Donald Trump kill DP? Am I too obsessed with the news cycle? Who knows? I’ll be able to do some meditation on vacation while I think about that and how I got here.

I’ll never forget the people that I named above. I’ll still check in every now and then. I’m not leaving politics. I’m still gonna be feverishly anti-trump and pro-media. You might even see me on TV one day. For now, though, there’s always twitter. DM me if you wanna follow. It’s a condensed form of my DP postings anyway and some fun TV stuff.

**A Message to the mods**
Please do not let misinformation go unchecked and word salads go crazy. I’ve been pondering how the trolls effectively use the rules of DP to their advantage. They say all this crazy stuff and it feels like you can’t do anything to stop them. In some instances, they create whole alternative realities. The good posters at DP keep cursing them off and calling them idiots and they get dinged for it instead. Something about that has always bothered me. Yes, they wear people out and turn them off of ever returning without even saying so. (Tres is the perfect example of this) Those rules might have to be looked into for the changing times and the different tactics that people use on the internet these days. Maybe a whole facelift is required to sort it all out. I don’t know you don’t even have to take my suggestions, these again are just my observations. Take them for what you will.

NevertrumpGOP out!

Best regards and live long and prosper. eace

Sorry to hear that you are heading out, NeverTrumpGOP. I am a strong proponent of spending most of one's time offline and doing one's best not to lead a holographic life through the internet. Go hiking and camping. Have real face-to-face conversations with people who you agree and disagree with. Spend time with your friends and family. Build up the relationships with people you love, and be sure you are leading a fulfilled life offline before you bring yourself online. Good luck.

NeverTrumpGOP said:

Personal News:

I’m not so sure how often people do this, but here it goes. I’m off on Vacation for the next two weeks. My brother who is two years younger than me is getting married this weekend! There’s a lot going on in my personal life and I will have limited time to go on DP. Even after the wedding I will have to get ready for grad school and might potentially start a new job in the next few months. So sadly, I’m thinking of cutting down my time on this site by a large factor. This has been a long time coming, really since Charlottesville. It was in my opinion one of the ugliest times I’ve seen on the site. I thought long and hard about this decision, and I have weighed the pros and cons of staying vs leaving. I personally do not see much use in logging on to the site every day like I have been doing for the past five years. It’s become more of a hindrance/obsession at certain time periods rather than helpful in understanding the nature of US politics.

Some of you know this story, but I actually come from the alt-right world; even before it was mainstream. Yep. Back then, I would have loved Trump! Except I was 13-18 at the time. About ten years ago, I used to post on one of the most popular conspiracy theory boards on the internet. It wasn’t until when I was threatened that I left. This started because I started questioning those conspiracy theories. So I left and found another political forum. The new one slowly got turned into a place that was a nasty breeding ground for stormfront trolls.

Fear not, I haven’t been threatened here. In these five years on DP, my outlook in life has greatly evolved. After my dabbling in conspiracy theory lore. It went from part time conspiracy theorist/cold hard conservative to a much too skeptical compassionate progressive and the people here were all a part of that transformation. And I could never forget/forgive you for that!

But much like the current crumbling infrastructure of the offices at the job I have now, I see the writing on the wall. Good people have been forced out of DP because of those same occurrences that I see time and time again on message boards. It seems that the politics has gotten nastier and more akin to a 4chan board. I believe that DP has lost something that it had when I first started. I can’t say what it is, maybe it’s soul? I don’t know myself, or maybe I’m feeling disenfranchised, worn out and tired of the noise? Who knows, maybe it comes directly from the top. Did Donald Trump kill DP? Am I too obsessed with the news cycle? Who knows? I’ll be able to do some meditation on vacation while I think about that and how I got here.

I’ll never forget the people that I named above. I’ll still check in every now and then. I’m not leaving politics. I’m still gonna be feverishly anti-trump and pro-media. You might even see me on TV one day. For now, though, there’s always twitter. DM me if you wanna follow. It’s a condensed form of my DP postings anyway and some fun TV stuff.

**A Message to the mods**
Please do not let misinformation go unchecked and word salads go crazy. I’ve been pondering how the trolls effectively use the rules of DP to their advantage. They say all this crazy stuff and it feels like you can’t do anything to stop them. In some instances, they create whole alternative realities. The good posters at DP keep cursing them off and calling them idiots and they get dinged for it instead. Something about that has always bothered me. Yes, they wear people out and turn them off of ever returning without even saying so. (Tres is the perfect example of this) Those rules might have to be looked into for the changing times and the different tactics that people use on the internet these days. Maybe a whole facelift is required to sort it all out. I don’t know you don’t even have to take my suggestions, these again are just my observations. Take them for what you will.

NevertrumpGOP out!

Best regards and live long and prosper. eace

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You had me with you until a couple of your bolded paragraphs above.
Totally unnecessary. I can assure you it is nobody's fault but your own that you stayed too long...

Good luck to you in all your future endeavors.

Best of luck in your endeavors down the road. Come back and visit now and then if you get the itch. Peace, out.

NeverTrumpGOP said:

Personal News:

I’m not so sure how often people do this, but here it goes. I’m off on Vacation for the next two weeks. My brother who is two years younger than me is getting married this weekend! There’s a lot going on in my personal life and I will have limited time to go on DP. Even after the wedding I will have to get ready for grad school and might potentially start a new job in the next few months. So sadly, I’m thinking of cutting down my time on this site by a large factor. This has been a long time coming, really since Charlottesville. It was in my opinion one of the ugliest times I’ve seen on the site. I thought long and hard about this decision, and I have weighed the pros and cons of staying vs leaving. I personally do not see much use in logging on to the site every day like I have been doing for the past five years. It’s become more of a hindrance/obsession at certain time periods rather than helpful in understanding the nature of US politics.

Don’t get me wrong, it is a wonderful microscope into the thinking of different people from different parts of the country, that I might not have otherwise ever heard from before. I have had long drawn out conversations with Haymarket, Chomsky, TurtleDude, Grim17, Xelor, Cardinal, Fiddytree, Fletch, and Josie etc… A good balance of all viewpoints but I feel I’ve reached my max. Please do not be disappointed if I don’t name you. This is literally off the top of my head, as are/were all my posts on DP. I almost never have taken any of my opinions directly from partisan leaning websites or talking heads, and rarely did any of them agree with me. However, there were moments where what I wrote on DP came out in the news hours later. My opinions are usually derived from simply watching the world around me. Unabashedly balanced commentary that tried to eat through the partisan noise. Sometimes I failed, sometimes it worked. If I ultimately leave for good, what then? Did I fail?

Some of you know this story, but I actually come from the alt-right world; even before it was mainstream. Yep. Back then, I would have loved Trump! Except I was 13-18 at the time. About ten years ago, I used to post on one of the most popular conspiracy theory boards on the internet. It wasn’t until when I was threatened that I left. This started because I started questioning those conspiracy theories. So I left and found another political forum. The new one slowly got turned into a place that was a nasty breeding ground for stormfront trolls.

Fear not, I haven’t been threatened here. In these five years on DP, my outlook in life has greatly evolved. After my dabbling in conspiracy theory lore. It went from part time conspiracy theorist/cold hard conservative to a much too skeptical compassionate progressive and the people here were all a part of that transformation. And I could never forget/forgive you for that!

But much like the current crumbling infrastructure of the offices at the job I have now, I see the writing on the wall. Good people have been forced out of DP because of those same occurrences that I see time and time again on message boards. It seems that the politics has gotten nastier and more akin to a 4chan board. I believe that DP has lost something that it had when I first started. I can’t say what it is, maybe it’s soul? I don’t know myself, or maybe I’m feeling disenfranchised, worn out and tired of the noise? Who knows, maybe it comes directly from the top. Did Donald Trump kill DP? Am I too obsessed with the news cycle? Who knows? I’ll be able to do some meditation on vacation while I think about that and how I got here.

**A Message to the mods**
Please do not let misinformation go unchecked and word salads go crazy. I’ve been pondering how the trolls effectively use the rules of DP to their advantage. They say all this crazy stuff and it feels like you can’t do anything to stop them. In some instances, they create whole alternative realities. The good posters at DP keep cursing them off and calling them idiots and they get dinged for it instead. Something about that has always bothered me. Yes, they wear people out and turn them off of ever returning without even saying so. (Tres is the perfect example of this) Those rules might have to be looked into for the changing times and the different tactics that people use on the internet these days. Maybe a whole facelift is required to sort it all out. I don’t know you don’t even have to take my suggestions, these again are just my observations. Take them for what you will.

NevertrumpGOP out!

Best regards and live long and prosper. eace

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NeverTrumpGOP said:

**A Message to the mods**
Please do not let misinformation go unchecked and word salads go crazy. I’ve been pondering how the trolls effectively use the rules of DP to their advantage. They say all this crazy stuff and it feels like you can’t do anything to stop them. In some instances, they create whole alternative realities. The good posters at DP keep cursing them off and calling them idiots and they get dinged for it instead. Something about that has always bothered me. Yes, they wear people out and turn them off of ever returning without even saying so. (Tres is the perfect example of this) Those rules might have to be looked into for the changing times and the different tactics that people use on the internet these days. Maybe a whole facelift is required to sort it all out. I don’t know you don’t even have to take my suggestions, these again are just my observations. Take them for what you will.

NevertrumpGOP out!

Best regards and live long and prosper. eace

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You are literally the exact definition of what you are complaining about. Get lost. No one cares.

NeverTrumpGOP said:

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**A Message to the mods**
Please do not let misinformation go unchecked and word salads go crazy. I’ve been pondering how the trolls effectively use the rules of DP to their advantage. They say all this crazy stuff and it feels like you can’t do anything to stop them. In some instances, they create whole alternative realities. The good posters at DP keep cursing them off and calling them idiots and they get dinged for it instead. Something about that has always bothered me. Yes, they wear people out and turn them off of ever returning without even saying so. (Tres is the perfect example of this) Those rules might have to be looked into for the changing times and the different tactics that people use on the internet these days. Maybe a whole facelift is required to sort it all out. I don’t know you don’t even have to take my suggestions, these again are just my observations. Take them for what you will.

NevertrumpGOP out!

Best regards and live long and prosper. eace

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I left my last forum because of a situation much like that. With this forum I don't know either the trolls or the rules well enough to feel jaded about them. At my old forum I knew both much too well and I knew that I was likely to flame out for getting dinged for calling the trolls what they were. So I left before that happened. I have missed my friends at that forum but when I've peeked in on them all it took was reading a couple of posts from the same old trolls and my sense of relief that they weren't my problem anymore was enough to remind me I made the right decision.

Good luck to you. Enjoy the respite, however long it is.

NeverTrumpGOP said:

Personal News:

I’m not so sure how often people do this, but here it goes. I’m off on Vacation for the next two weeks.

NevertrumpGOP out!

Best regards and live long and prosper. eace

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Have a good vacation. See you when you get back.

You WILL be back.

I’m sure you won’t be able to help yourself when Trump wins in 2020.

Goodbye cruel forum threads are lame as ****.

azgreg said:

Goodbye cruel forum threads are lame as ****.

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Oh Come On....they can be fun as ****....and fun is most certainly good!

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Best of luck, and hope to see you back soon. And don't worry about the people in here whining. You knew this was going to happen when you posted this.

Some people are just so predictable.

<3 Later.

Amelia said:

I left my last forum because of a situation much like that. With this forum I don't know either the trolls or the rules well enough to feel jaded about them. At my old forum I knew both much too well and I knew that I was likely to flame out for getting dinged for calling the trolls what they were. So I left before that happened. I have missed my friends at that forum but when I've peeked in on them all it took was reading a couple of posts from the same old trolls and my sense of relief that they weren't my problem anymore was enough to remind me I made the right decision.

Good luck to you. Enjoy the respite, however long it is.

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This is literally the same evolution I went through at another forum that spent ten years on.

When I first started it was fun and new, then the alt-right billies took over and made the atmosphere so toxic, lots of longtime posters decided to leave. I hung on for awhile because of a few people I was 'e-friends' with, but then it got to be too much and enough was enough.

NevertrumpGOP... Best of luck.

Stop back in on November 7 and do some well deserved gloating.

Personally insulting people by calling them idiots and morons is not the right way to deal with people who have different opinions. Nor do I agree with the insinuation that calling someone an idiot and a moron is somehow evidence that your ideas are better. in fact, it's usually the people who revert to personal insults who are often incapable of coming up with evidence or convincing arguments to back up their own position. So they instead rely on insults. Some people just can't tolerate having their strongly held positions challenged. Some people latch onto political ideology with equal or greater blind devotion than most religious people. When you question their beliefs, they see it as blasphemy, much in the same way a hard core religious zealot views blasphemy.

We have a radio host in Wilmington, who is a devoted democrat, and a blindly loyal leftist ideologue. Here's big shocker #1: prior to becoming a radio talk show host, he was a 'journalist' at our biggest newspaper(shocking than an allegedly objective journalist would be a leftist ideologue huh).... So anyway, I called in one day to debate his insistence that having govt own and run all big corporations was a good idea. I disagreed that having ANY big monopoly would be a good thing, and he suddenly became irrationally angry when I criticized govt monopoly, and he went right into a diatribe of personal insults. I hadn't even raised my voice either..

This narcissistic clown couldn't even last 1 month. What a surprise.

I am really starting to get tired from these "in my feeling" type of threads being posted daily. I don't need to read a soliloquy/novel about.... nonsense. Everything could have been said in 100 words or less.

:screwy

I find it ironic that these are the same posters calling Kanye crazy. Really? I don't even know what the **** some of these posts on the forum are talking about. Is this some sort of therapy session? NeverTrumpGOP posts some of the most INSANE things on the main forum and tries to pass of conspiracy theories as news.

Look at this thread:

https://www.debatepolitics.com/brea...-techniques-can-end-war-and-make-you-fly.html

WTF??? How in the **** is this breaking news? This guy is a lunatic.

But I am really tired of this Goombaya ****

NeverTrumpGOP said:

I almost never have taken any of my opinions directly from partisan leaning websites or talking heads, and rarely did any of them agree with me. However, there were moments where what I wrote on DP came out in the news hours later. My opinions are usually derived from simply watching the world around me. Unabashedly balanced commentary that tried to eat through the partisan noise. Sometimes I failed, sometimes it worked. If I ultimately leave for good, what then? Did I fail?

maybe I’m feeling disenfranchised, worn out and tired of the noise? Who knows, maybe it comes directly from the top. Did Donald Trump kill DP? Am I too obsessed with the news cycle? Who knows? I’ll be able to do some meditation on vacation while I think about that and how I got here.

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This is the type of drivel that just amazes me.

Post this in on your damn blog. Posting this type of crap on the main forum? WTF is the point? This is not even interesting. This is just some "Dear diary" crap that nobody really cares about.

Okay, we get it. Trump makes you feel disenfranchised. It must be a burden being such a brilliant guy posting your "worldly observations" and having the mainstream news steal your thoughts and ideas.

so its the mods fault people dont agree with you? Lol...Im on tons if forums, this is the first one, the very first one where the mods moderate based on the actual written rules and not their political bias.

NeverTrumpGOP said:

Some of you know this story, but I actually come from the alt-right world; even before it was mainstream. Yep. Back then, I would have loved Trump! Except I was 13-18 at the time. About ten years ago, I used to post on one of the most popular conspiracy theory boards on the internet. It wasn’t until when I was threatened that I left. This started because I started questioning those conspiracy theories. So I left and found another political forum. The new one slowly got turned into a place that was a nasty breeding ground for stormfront trolls.

Fear not, I haven’t been threatened here. In these five years on DP, my outlook in life has greatly evolved. After my dabbling in conspiracy theory lore. It went from part time conspiracy theorist/cold hard conservative to a much too skeptical compassionate progressive and the people here were all a part of that transformation. And I could never forget/forgive you for that!

But much like the current crumbling infrastructure of the offices at the job I have now, I see the writing on the wall. Good people have been forced out of DP because of those same occurrences that I see time and time again on message boards. It seems that the politics has gotten nastier and more akin to a 4chan board. I believe that DP has lost something that it had when I first started. I can’t say what it is, maybe it’s soul? I don’t know myself, or maybe I’m feeling disenfranchised, worn out and tired of the noise? Who knows, maybe it comes directly from the top. Did Donald Trump kill DP? Am I too obsessed with the news cycle? Who knows? I’ll be able to do some meditation on vacation while I think about that and how I got here.

I’ll never forget the people that I named above. I’ll still check in every now and then. I’m not leaving politics. I’m still gonna be feverishly anti-trump and pro-media. You might even see me on TV one day. For now, though, there’s always twitter. DM me if you wanna follow. It’s a condensed form of my DP postings anyway and some fun TV stuff.

**A Message to the mods**
Please do not let misinformation go unchecked and word salads go crazy. I’ve been pondering how the trolls effectively use the rules of DP to their advantage. They say all this crazy stuff and it feels like you can’t do anything to stop them. In some instances, they create whole alternative realities. The good posters at DP keep cursing them off and calling them idiots and they get dinged for it instead. Something about that has always bothered me. Yes, they wear people out and turn them off of ever returning without even saying so. (Tres is the perfect example of this) Those rules might have to be looked into for the changing times and the different tactics that people use on the internet these days. Maybe a whole facelift is required to sort it all out. I don’t know you don’t even have to take my suggestions, these again are just my observations. Take them for what you will.

NevertrumpGOP out!

Best regards and live long and prosper. eace

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People get how they are for a reason. It is far more interesting to figure out how they got there than to finger point, judge and virtue signal. I prefer to hear people out, irrespective if they are associated with stormfront, MS-13, or the Communist party or worse. Of course, one must be mindful of their physical safety. I wouldn't get to know a member of MS-13 in just any location or time of day.