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Is it wrong to say "ma'am" (or "sir"

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I got a chuckle this morning when reading that a 10-year-old boy in North Carolina was punished by his teacher for repeatedly using that word when speaking with her.

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When I was a mere whippersnapper in my late 60s (I'm now 81), I courteously (I thought) answered "Yes, ma'am" to someone who was (at least!) in her 60s, too. She exploded: "Don't call me 'ma'am'! Why, you are even older than I am!"

And I remember one time on a bus when a young man exploded on the bus when the driver addressed him courteously as "sir": "Don't call me 'sir.' I am not old!"
 
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Poor kid was probably taught to say ma'am by his parents and then he's punished for it?

BTW do you have a link for the above? Sounds like some garbage Fox News would put out.
 
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Don't call me sir, I worked for a living.
 
I still remember the 1st time someone called me sir. I was playing a pick-up basketball, I was 30, most others there were in their 20's.. And a couple of teenagers. 1 of the teenagers called me 'sir'.

It really hit home I was 30 years old. lol
 
As a veteran, the Sir and Ma'am was reserved for officers...but for my wife, who grew up in the south, it was just a matter of every day courtesy.

I think those that are offended by such courtesies are simply looking for something to be offended over. :shrug:

Its no more offensive to me than "Have a nice day".
 
I use the words ma'am and sir routinely and I expect my grandkids to use them when addressing adults.

This teacher to hand out punishment for this?


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And we wonder why some people think or school systems suck.
 
“Yes, sir, no, sir; three bags full.”
 
Poor kid was probably taught to say ma'am by his parents and then he's punished for it?

BTW do you have a link for the above? Sounds like some garbage Fox News would put out.



I do not know how to link.

I think that I read it on Breitbart, which in turn got it from England's Daily Mail.

In post #6 of this thread, the contributor was nice enough to upload a photo of the punishment: the boy was forced to write that word many times. The article says that he has been allowed to change teachers.
 
I got a chuckle this morning when reading that a 10-year-old boy in North Carolina was punished by his teacher for repeatedly using that word when speaking with her.

*****
When I was a mere whippersnapper in my late 60s (I'm now 81), I courteously (I thought) answered "Yes, ma'am" to someone who was (at least!) in her 60s, too. She exploded: "Don't call me 'ma'am'! Why, you are even older than I am!"

And I remember one time on a bus when a young man exploded on the bus when the driver addressed him courteously as "sir": "Don't call me 'sir.' I am not old!"

No, it's not wrong. I wasn't brought up using either one, by a long shot, but I use them both all the time now, and have for years.
 
I use “sir” and “ma’am” everyday, even with adults younger than me. Hell, sometimes I even do it to kids when the mood strikes me. I have never had anyone get upset with me, even in place like NY or California.
 
I got a chuckle this morning when reading that a 10-year-old boy in North Carolina was punished by his teacher for repeatedly using that word when speaking with her.

*****
When I was a mere whippersnapper in my late 60s (I'm now 81), I courteously (I thought) answered "Yes, ma'am" to someone who was (at least!) in her 60s, too. She exploded: "Don't call me 'ma'am'! Why, you are even older than I am!"

And I remember one time on a bus when a young man exploded on the bus when the driver addressed him courteously as "sir": "Don't call me 'sir.' I am not old!"

If I was the parent I would have to have a serious talk with the principal. No way is my child going to get punished and think it's wrong to be respectful and courteous to other people.
 
It would only be a problem if the kid was a smart ass who was doing it in a snarky way. I would be very impressed if any of my students said "Yes ma'am". Spoiler alert -- they don't. :)
 
Poor kid was probably taught to say ma'am by his parents and then he's punished for it?

BTW do you have a link for the above? Sounds like some garbage Fox News would put out.

You just couldn't resist an opportunity to slip in a little slam, could you? :roll:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...r-maam-north-carolina-report-says/1108472002/

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/fif...sciplined-calling-teacher-maam-200222136.html
https://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2018/08/27/teacher-punishes-child-maam/
Fifth-grade boy Tamarion Wilson punished for calling teacher ma'am | Daily Mail Online

Etc.
 
I got a chuckle this morning when reading that a 10-year-old boy in North Carolina was punished by his teacher for repeatedly using that word when speaking with her.

*****
When I was a mere whippersnapper in my late 60s (I'm now 81), I courteously (I thought) answered "Yes, ma'am" to someone who was (at least!) in her 60s, too. She exploded: "Don't call me 'ma'am'! Why, you are even older than I am!"

And I remember one time on a bus when a young man exploded on the bus when the driver addressed him courteously as "sir": "Don't call me 'sir.' I am not old!"

damn i hope not

common courtesy still reigns in my house, and always will

respect, and using terms of respect such as sir and maam, will NEVER go out of style around me

maybe i am getting old....and times are passing me by....but god i hope not in this one respect
 
I mean, I live in the south. You say that to everyone.
 
It (sir/ma’am) comes out of my mouth as a matter of course. Like Sceptic Bob, I use it regardless of younger/older. It was ingrained from early on and I was raised in DC. I even use it on the phone with customer service and the like....until they don’t deserve it anymore.......:lol:
 
I think the issue may have been that the student kept doing it after the teacher told him to stop. No idea what her issue was--she's very young, and hearing "ma'am" made her feel old? What?
 
I think the issue may have been that the student kept doing it after the teacher told him to stop. No idea what her issue was--she's very young, and hearing "ma'am" made her feel old? What?

I've never gotten that connotation. Like, moms use that to their kids. Hell, I say sir, ma'am to my dogs! :lol:
 
Is it wrong to say "ma'am" (or "sir")....I got a chuckle this morning when reading that a 10-year-old boy in North Carolina was punished by his teacher for repeatedly using that word when speaking with her.

*****
When I was a mere whippersnapper in my late 60s (I'm now 81), I courteously (I thought) answered "Yes, ma'am" to someone who was (at least!) in her 60s, too. She exploded: "Don't call me 'ma'am'! Why, you are even older than I am!"

And I remember one time on a bus when a young man exploded on the bus when the driver addressed him courteously as "sir": "Don't call me 'sir.' I am not old!"

Red:
To the extent we're talking about a minor addressing an adult, whether it's "wrong" ("wrong" is hardly the word I'd use in this situation, but whatever...) depends on whether the teacher had instructed the kid to address her in a specific way and whether she'd specifically instructed her students not to call her "Ma'am." If she so instructed the kid(s), why she did is irrelevant. If she did, she did and the kid should have shown her the respect of acceding to her instruction for to do otherwise is a subtle form of insolence.

As kids, my parents stipulated that "yes" and "no" were to be followed by any of "Mother," "Mom," "Ma'am," "Father," "Dad," or "Sir," as appropriate. We weren't going to like what was coming next if we didn't. Other situations -- e.g., when objecting to something Momma or Dad had said -- also required our using a respectful title somewhere -- beginning, middle or end -- in our address to our parents, teachers, and other adults who didn't bid us to call them something other than "Mister," "Mrs/Miss," "Sir," or "Ma'am."

Even now, I don't call people by their given names until I'm invited to do so. Similarly, strangers peeve me when they address me familiarly, and it's clear they know my surname. If you've ever called a customer service number, been called by people selling something or soliciting donations, you'll know what I mean. It'd be different were they to ask to address me familiarly, but they don't; they just presume to do so.


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I think whoever those persons are/were miscomprehend the point of "Sir" and "Ma'am." "Ma'am," used as a title, is what speakers say to show respect for the person spoken to, not to allude to age differences between the parties to the conversation.
 
“Yes, sir, no, sir; three bags full.”

That's not a particularly nice thing to say, most especially not by a student to a teacher. I wonder if the connotation of that saying (or something similarly sardonic) is what the teacher had in mind or gleaned from the kid's remark. Perhaps that saying's tone was extant in the child's utterance of "Ma'am." If it was, that tone almost certainly wouldn't come across in writing unless the author explicitly noted its presence.
 
damn i hope not

common courtesy still reigns in my house, and always will

respect, and using terms of respect such as sir and maam, will NEVER go out of style around me

maybe i am getting old....and times are passing me by....but god i hope not in this one respect

Personally I would say Mister/Monsieur and Mizz/Madame is far more common here. Must be a regional thing. Though only with strangers, if you know their name (like teachers) you usually use their name.
 
I do not know how to link.

I think that I read it on Breitbart, which in turn got it from England's Daily Mail.

In post #6 of this thread, the contributor was nice enough to upload a photo of the punishment: the boy was forced to write that word many times. The article says that he has been allowed to change teachers.

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It seems clear to me this began as the teacher's problem. Her not liking the term has nothing to do with her work or with the common uses of the word.

It was wrong of her to call her students' attentions to her word fetish. Once she did that, then the students are going to pluck at that string to see what happens.

I think that's the most likely what happened here, though it's also possible the kid simply did it out of habit, which also shouldn't set off a professional teacher.

She's either really new, or entirely too comfortable in her role, or both. Some people can't handle authority at any level.

I'd counsel the teacher, trying to let her down gently that the world isn't going to cater itself to her.
 
I got a chuckle this morning when reading that a 10-year-old boy in North Carolina was punished by his teacher for repeatedly using that word when speaking with her.

*****
When I was a mere whippersnapper in my late 60s (I'm now 81), I courteously (I thought) answered "Yes, ma'am" to someone who was (at least!) in her 60s, too. She exploded: "Don't call me 'ma'am'! Why, you are even older than I am!"

And I remember one time on a bus when a young man exploded on the bus when the driver addressed him courteously as "sir": "Don't call me 'sir.' I am not old!"

Barbara Boxer sure didn’t like it. :lol:
 
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