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Musicians/bands that you find intolerable?

Superfly said:
My husband was stationed in S Korea for many years, and said that celebrities there are treated as "less than," as opposed to how we treat them as "more than." Not sure if that's how it still is, but they certainly weren't put on a pedestal there back then. There are a lot of jobs here that *should* warrant the pay that a celebrity gets, but instead, the harder the job, usually the less pay you make. Doesn't seem fair.
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South Korea has changed a bit, if my Korea-mania daughter is any indicator.
The typical South Korean today is pretty much just as starstruck as any American these days.

As for celebrity pay, that's the free market. The L.A. Lakers are going to pay LeBron James $154 Mn over four years, which breaks down to about 39 million a year because they know that they're going to make about $600 Mn per year off of him, so 154 large is a cheap investment.
Jennifer Lawrence makes $24 Mn a movie because the studios know that they're going to make $500 million off her film.
So there is no such thing as "warranting" the pay that they get because they get what the free market will muster.
And as for how hard people in the film industry work, all I can say is, if you're not in the industry, you simply won't believe the kind of hours film people put in and the amount of hard work there is involved.

And that's not just the screen talent, it's every single person who works on the set.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
South Korea has changed a bit, if my Korea-mania daughter is any indicator.
The typical South Korean today is pretty much just as starstruck as any American these days.

As for celebrity pay, that's the free market. The L.A. Lakers are going to pay LeBron James $154 Mn over four years, which breaks down to about 39 million a year because they know that they're going to make about $600 Mn per year off of him, so 154 large is a cheap investment.
Jennifer Lawrence makes $24 Mn a movie because the studios know that they're going to make $500 million off her film.
So there is no such thing as "warranting" the pay that they get because they get what the free market will muster.
And as for how hard people in the film industry work, all I can say is, if you're not in the industry, you simply won't believe the kind of hours film people put in and the amount of hard work there is involved.

And that's not just the screen talent, it's every single person who works on the set.
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Never said they didn't work hard, but the pay is not commensurate with the work.

Ask anybody working in the film industry if they'd rather be out digging ditches in 100 degree heat what they'd rather do, and 10 times out of 10, they'd rather be where they are. Who works harder? The ditch digger. Who makes more? Clearly, the people working in the film industry.
 
Superfly said:
Never said they didn't work hard, but the pay is not commensurate with the work.

Ask anybody working in the film industry if they'd rather be out digging ditches in 100 degree heat what they'd rather do, and 10 times out of 10, they'd rather be where they are. Who works harder? The ditch digger. Who makes more? Clearly, the people working in the film industry.
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I take it you must know some people in the film industry, yes?
If so, what do they do and what level of projects do they normally work on?
I can tell you their hours and their pay based on your answers, and I can tell you how hard they work.

And simply put, there is a value on everything. Ditch digging is important, but there's a glut of available ditch diggers. I've dug ditches for a living before.
 
This was me in 2005.

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Camera - $12,000.00
Zacuto support rod system - $2500.00
HD monitor - $2100.00
RedRock Micro M2 film system - $1500.00
RedRock Follow Focus - $1200.00
Canon 5 piece 35mm cinema lens package - $11,000.00
RedRock Matte Box - $1000.00

And I didn't even include the crappy Manfrotto tripod because that didn't belong to me.
That's almost thirty-two thousand dollars and that's without the expensive Panasonic P2 memory cards, because production paid for those.
I don't know of any ditch diggers that invested 32 thousand bucks in their tools.

And on the day that picture was shot, I was already eleven hours into what would wind up being a sixteen hour workday, half of it outside IN that hundred degree North Texas heat, by the way.

(Jeff H with Fred Hammond)

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Checkerboard Strangler said:
I take it you must know some people in the film industry, yes?
If so, what do they do and what level of projects do they normally work on?
I can tell you their hours and their pay based on your answers, and I can tell you how hard they work.

And simply put, there is a value on everything. Ditch digging is important, but there's a glut of available ditch diggers. I've dug ditches for a living before.
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I would never be able to convince anyone in the film industry that their work isn't equally as hard as other work. Again - I am not saying your work isn't hard, but it isn't has hard as ditch digging. It's just not.
 
Superfly said:
My husband was stationed in S Korea for many years, and said that celebrities there are treated as "less than," as opposed to how we treat them as "more than." Not sure if that's how it still is, but they certainly weren't put on a pedestal there back then. There are a lot of jobs here that *should* warrant the pay that a celebrity gets, but instead, the harder the job, usually the less pay you make. Doesn't seem fair.
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Firefighters, nurses, teachers, cops don't make much, but we surely don't mind paying athletes and actors outrageous salaries for entertaining us. :(
 
Bob Dylan

The man may be a poet but whoever told him he could sing should be shot. And his guitar should be taken away from him.


Any "manufactured band." Aside from non-talents who get their mugs on CD covers because they make 14 year old hearts go pitter-patter (yes I'm talking about Justin Beiber among others) a lot of people may not realize it but there are some very popular bands out there where some or all of the members don't actually play on the recordings. They have the right "look" and play their instruments well enough to get by in a live setting but in the studio where every flaw would be recorded for posterity they just ain't good enough. I know more than one guy who's made a good living doing just that.
 
Superfly said:
I would never be able to convince anyone in the film industry that their work isn't equally as hard as other work. Again - I am not saying your work isn't hard, but it isn't has hard as ditch digging. It's just not.
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My dear friend, you don't have a frame of reference, because if you knew anyone who worked on a crew, they would be correcting your assumption, and that's all I am trying to do here. It is not the same kind of labor as ditch digging but in some cases that labor may just possibly be much more strenuous than the man with the shovel.

Ask riggers how much exertion is involved, ask carpenters, ask grip and electric, ask dolly grips, ask camera assistants. That last category is pretty much a pack mule with enough brains to make lens selections.

MY work? I was a director of photography, so yeah...MY work wasn't as hard as ditch digging, unless I was doing a one man band setup where I WAS my own grip and my own rigger/A-C and PA. One of the last shoots I worked on was an award winning short called "Distortion".
Sixteen hours as a grip on a 5-ton grip truck. That means five tons of grip, lighting and electrical gear and we used 90% of it.
Ever hump five tons of gear off and back onto a truck PLUS doing all the setups and teardowns?
I guarantee you it is every bit as backbreaking as digging a ditch, possibly more so.
 
Gaius46 said:
a lot of people may not realize it but there are some very popular bands out there where some or all of the members don't actually play on the recordings. They have the right "look" and play their instruments well enough to get by in a live setting but in the studio where every flaw would be recorded for posterity they just ain't good enough. I know more than one guy who's made a good living doing just that.
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The Wrecking Crew (TRAILER)


Standing in the Shadows of Motown (TRAILER)


PS: Leon Russell started out as a member of The Wrecking Crew.
 
nota bene said:
I never listened but do know that utterly despising Nickleback is a knee-jerk thing for many. Do you know why?
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I know why I despise them.



Lame.



Vomitous.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
The Wrecking Crew (TRAILER)


Standing in the Shadows of Motown (TRAILER)


PS: Leon Russell started out as a member of The Wrecking Crew.
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I've seen both of those and own a copy of Standing in the Shadows of Motown.

In truth James Jamerson, who did much of the Motown bass work is one of my idols - there probably isn't a bassist alive who hasn't been influenced by him. Though Bob Babbit, one of the few white members of the Funk Brothers did one of my all time favorite lines in Midnight Train to Georgia

I really wasn't thinking of the Motown acts when I wrote that, I was thinking more of the innumerable boy and girl bands that have cropped over the years. Yes the Motown acts were vocal groups that sang other people's lyrics but most of them had real chops and could actually sing. Actual singing talent doesn't seem to be required by later acts.
 
Gaius46 said:
I've seen both of those and own a copy of Standing in the Shadows of Motown.

In truth James Jamerson, who did much of the Motown bass work is one of my idols - there probably isn't a bassist alive who hasn't been influenced by him. Though Bob Babbit, one of the few white members of the Funk Brothers did one of my all time favorite lines in Midnight Train to Georgia

I really wasn't thinking of the Motown acts when I wrote that, I was thinking more of the innumerable boy and girl bands that have cropped over the years. Yes the Motown acts were vocal groups that sang other people's lyrics but most of them had real chops and could actually sing. Actual singing talent doesn't seem to be required by later acts.
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By modern pop artists? Oh Hell no. Why would talent even be a consideration? Ask any kid these days about music and most of them start talking about VIDEOS.

"No, the music, what did you think of THE MUSIC?"

"The way she was dancing was the bomb.."

"Not the dancing, THE MUSIC. What did you think of the melody, or the vocals?"

"Ahhh man, it was dope, she had these guys behind her and the lights were getting all funky and..."

And in any case, a singing voice isn't even necessary anyway!
When you have Auto-Tune, you can sing! When you don't, you get this:

 
Gamewell45 said:
To the best of my knowledge, Gino Vanelli was a "one hit wonder". I think he dropped off the radar in the early 80's and I haven't heard anything about him since then although you may be right that he still tours around the country; possibly doing covers of other records.
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Hahahahahahahaha.

Reminds me of the time when I was recalling a song I knew as a kid called, It never rains in southern California. I was with my ex at the time and he looked up the song. I told him the signer was a one hit wonder only to discover that he had a zillion hits.

Gino had a good number of hits.
 
Led Zeppelin, Pearl Jam, U2 and Nirvana.

There... I said it. *cue vultures*
 
Mr Person said:
I know why I despise them.



Lame.



Vomitous.
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Definitely not my cuppa, but then a lot isn't. Just sounds like ordinary crap to me, the kind of stuff in which I lose interest in about 30 seconds. But why are people so passionate in their dislike? No, hatred. What's so vomitous? Serious question.
 
nota bene said:
Definitely not my cuppa, but then a lot isn't. Just sounds like ordinary crap to me, the kind of stuff in which I lose interest in about 30 seconds.
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Which is the worst thing for rock to be...



nota bene said:
Definitely not my cuppa, but then a lot isn't. Just sounds like ordinary crap to me, the kind of stuff in which I lose interest in about 30 seconds. But why are people so passionate in their dislike? No, hatred. What's so vomitous? Serious question.
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Hatred? I said "despise." Hate is altogether too much effort for an emblamatically crappy band.

Vomitous? Do you think I meant, quite literally, that it induces vomiting?

Anyway, I didn't really expect a statement about music I don't like to be turned into an inquiry.
 
ModerationNow! said:
This isnt a question of your favorite band. If it was, it wouldn't be an interesting thread, because everyone would naturally choose KISS! Lol.

Seriously though..... Just days after finishing my 10th grade school year, I started a summer job working in a small machine shop that produced 'high stall torque converters' for street rods and full-on drag racing cars.

A friend and classmate was hired on the same day. I was a big fan of metal. He was a big fan of Bruce Springsteen. I knew nothing of politics, and like many 'Bruce fans', I assumed 'Born in the USA' was an homage to America'! I didn't listen closely enough to know any better, because even then I thought his music was absolutely terrible, and he also struck me as a bit of a 'poser'.

Later, I still hate almost every song(except for maybe "Tenth Ave Freeze Out"), but even that's lost its appeal. It wasn't til the late 90s, that I discovered that "Born in America" was NOT a patriotic album. That wasn't a big deal to me. But what was a big deal, was the discovery about how he and Jon Bon Jovi have found 'methods' of vastly reducing their own property taxes on their incredibly expensive homes & properties(to the tune of paying only hundreds of dollars, when upper middle class neighbors are paying 15x as much on smaller properties), while at the same time, bitching about "the rich not paying their fair share"!

Then of course, there's the ridiculously high concert ticket prices charged by Bruce. Here's a guy whose core audience are 'working class' , but who ironically cannot afford decent seats to see him! When asked about that 'phenomenon' recently, his answer was, "well, I kinda feel bad about it". But not quite bad enough to actually do ANYTHING about it! Of course there's no expectation that he do anything either, as long as he gives lip service to "feeling bad about it". That way, at least he gets in some quality virtue signaling! He won't be loudly criticized, as long as he keeps pushing the 'correct' political messaging!

God I hate that guy! Also, Pearl Jam, Bon Jovi(poser metal!), and Dave Matthews Band.

Which bands or musicians do you find intolerable?
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I can't think of any bands I hate. I admit I'm not a huge fan of country or modern hip-hop. I like classic rock, some grunge rock (including some Pearl Jam, sorry!), and some newer rock such as Alter Bridge, Linkin Park, Five Finger Death Punch, System of a Down, and...

Can I tell you something? Promise to keep it a secret? I even like some <gasp> Nickelback! Moo hoo hah hah hah! Seriously you should check out N.backs cover of Elton John's, "Saturday Night's Alright for Fighting", it rocks!
 
MovingPictures said:
Ted Nugent.

Wrote songs about having no control of his sexual desires, then pretends to be this person that cares about "family values".
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I'm sorry to say I was a huge fan of his music as a kid. I could play along on my guitar with every song on his self-titled album. He really was a great guitar player. I guess I didn't pay that close attention to his lyrics.

Too bad Ted lost his mind.
 
Peter King said:
Frans Bauer, I hate his guts, weak whiny voice and a repertoire that makes my ears hurt and my gag reflex go into overtime.

Justin Bieber

Stryper (to Hell with Stryper)

Paris Hilton

Kevin Federline

Kanye West

R. Kelly

Jedward

Peter Andre

Oasis

Metallica after And Justice for all ( Black album just mildly pleasing)

Danielle Bregoli

Yoko Ono

Milli Vanilli

The Cheeky Girls

Tokyo Hotel

Hanson brothers
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"Metallica after And Justice for all ( Black album just mildly pleasing)"
<sigh> :( c'mon, now! "Sandman", "Sad But True", "Wherever I May Roam"? They're part of my jam on long drives!
 
Peter King said:
Dyers eve, harvester of sorrow, the shortest straw, eye of the beholder, the frayed ends of sanity and to live is to die are all classics. Some even better than One.

And the whole album just starts off on the right note with "blackened". A true classic IMHO.

And the whole problem with the black album is that it is too commercial and straying away from the old sound of the band to be more "inclusive".

I may love the albums, when it comes to live performances I am not a fan of metallica's performance. Sure it still is very noisy but when one compares them to bands like Slayer who's live performances were just as good or even better than the album's versions, with metallica the album version normally was better than the live version.
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Metallica does a cover of Seger's, "Turn the Page" that I like much better than Seger's version.
 
nota bene said:
I never listened but do know that utterly despising Nickleback is a knee-jerk thing for many. Do you know why?

My irritation is over those who confuse Nickleback with Nickle Creek and Chris Thile. Blasphemy. :twisted:
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I like some Nickelback songs.
 
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