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Skeptic Bob

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I try to watch this short video at least one a year or when I feel myself starting to lose perspective.

 
I try to watch this short video at least one a year or when I feel myself starting to lose perspective.



I was really into him for about 5 years, and I was really enjoying Omni Magazine....I was a believer in technical society....the great blossoming we thought we were in.

Now I am the opposite.
 
Yep, in the grand scheme of things what difference does it make when one droopy drawers gang maggot blows away another droopy drawers gang maggot over some perceived slight or disrespect of their authority?
 
I was really into him for about 5 years, and I was really enjoying Omni Magazine....I was a believer in technical society....the great blossoming we thought we were in.

Now I am the opposite.

Yeah, we aren’t there yet. But it is a worthwhile goal.
 
I was really into him for about 5 years, and I was really enjoying Omni Magazine....I was a believer in technical society....the great blossoming we thought we were in.

Now I am the opposite.

Why??? How???
 
Man, a couple of you are real bummers tonight. I wish I could pass you what I am puffing. ;)
 
Man, a couple of you are real bummers tonight. I wish I could pass you what I am puffing. ;)

There are thsoe who are simply desperate at the pace and newness of the technological changes that are happening. They would do anything they could think of to stop it. To have stability.

Within a few decades we will have captured asteroids making the price of materials plummet. High capacity batteries will be very cheap etc.

By the middle of the second half of this century we will have space habitats with millions of inhabitants. Places of beauty and wonder. Heavens in the sky.
 
There are thsoe who are simply desperate at the pace and newness of the technological changes that are happening. They would do anything they could think of to stop it. To have stability.

Within a few decades we will have captured asteroids making the price of materials plummet. High capacity batteries will be very cheap etc.

By the middle of the second half of this century we will have space habitats with millions of inhabitants. Places of beauty and wonder. Heavens in the sky.


A few generations in and ‘we’ will change all that!

:mrgreen:
 
A few generations in and ‘we’ will change all that!

:mrgreen:

The space habitats will be 100% constructed by humans and they will, sometimes, be places of extreme beauty and wonder.

At the moment there are no nice places to live outside earth. That will change.
 
There are thsoe who are simply desperate at the pace and newness of the technological changes that are happening. They would do anything they could think of to stop it. To have stability.

Within a few decades we will have captured asteroids making the price of materials plummet. High capacity batteries will be very cheap etc.

By the middle of the second half of this century we will have space habitats with millions of inhabitants. Places of beauty and wonder. Heavens in the sky.

Don't get me wrong, I am a Space enthusiast that wants to double NASA's budget. Some days I say ten times. Which, as a % of the budget, would just bring it back up to where it was in the 60s.

First. most asteroids are not going to have anything we want. The potential is there, but you have to get out there, kiss a lot of frogs, before something of princely value turns up.

I am hoping hi cap batteries come along. I don't know enough to even guess, but they would be extremely useful in the transition to a global economy that does not run on carbon.

One of my dreams, something I have been waiting to see for half a century (and think it will be another half century before it actually happens), is a space station at L5. The problem is that it will be mind bogglingly expensive. Space is unrelentingly hostile. I think what we will need to do is take Moon dust, smelt it into sections that will make up the outside of the wheel. We will likely want to add some things, to the rock, to give it better impact resistance. We are talking one hell of a lot of money

There are all kinds of problems living in Space. The L5 station will be for scientists, technicians, people there for a reason. It wouldn't surprise me to see a little tourism, but the cost of living in Space is going to remain astronomical for a very long time.

Assuming I could live another 50 years, I would be ecstatic to see one real Space station with a 100 people.

I need to back the proverbial truck up a bit. To do that, we would need to develop a better way to get into Space. NASA doesn't even dare talk about that with the politicians. We would need a base on the Moon first. You don't hear much about that, either.

We keep embracing failure, and turning our back on the things that made us successful. I don't see that changing. Maybe China will be the one to do all that.
 
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^ Your ambition is far too small.

The reason we will serriously go into space is the same as the reason we do anything serrious; Profit.

The ability to mine asteroids for materials that are rare here, such as gold, to do very heavy industrial work with no worries about pollution or dropping the 1,000 tonnes of liquid iron will make materials down here very cheap.

I have no clue why anybody would want to go to any of the legrange points.

There are 2 places of use in the solar system;

1, Here on earth. It is nice and easy to live. you can breath the air etc. Best natural place there will ever be.

2, In space as close to earth as you can be so you can sell into the market.

Other than that the rest is just waiting for us to bring it to here.

Once we have a large mining opperation there will be, of necessity, living accomodation for the mining crew. This will be expanded. Eventually, because building large structures will be easy out there, it will become a small world engineered to humans best possible climate and habitat. That is when some scientists might get there.
 
I've always wished NASA's budget was higher, and I'm happy I was born late enough - I'm not even 20 yet - to likely see a "Mars Landing", even some basic work towards getting people living off of Earth. Of course, it would likely just be a station with a few important people, but still, it would make me excited for humanity's future.

Sometimes I wish I born a few centuries later, where we could truly explore space and colonize other planets, but, I'm alive when I am now, and I should be happy for the blue rock that I have.

I suppose Trump's "Space Force" could lead to some advancement regarding space discoveries, as well as stuff like rocket construction, but I'd prefer that money just go to NASA.
 
1) Your ambition is far too small.

2) The reason we will serriously go into space is the same as the reason we do anything serrious; Profit.

The ability to mine asteroids for materials that are rare here, such as gold, to do very heavy industrial work with no worries about pollution or dropping the 1,000 tonnes of liquid iron will make materials down here very cheap.

I have no clue why anybody would want to go to any of the legrange points.

There are 2 places of use in the solar system;

1, Here on earth. It is nice and easy to live. you can breath the air etc. Best natural place there will ever be.

2) In space as close to earth as you can be so you can sell into the market.

3) Other than that the rest is just waiting for us to bring it to here.

4) Once we have a large mining opperation there will be, of necessity, living accomodation for the mining crew. This will be expanded. Eventually, because building large structures will be easy out there, it will become a small world engineered to humans best possible climate and habitat. That is when some scientists might get there.

1) Perhaps.

2) What happens is that government builds the infrastructure that make business possible. In Space, we developed the rocket technology that made private satellites feasible.

3) You still have to find it, and large scale operations in the outer Solar System is not going to be easy.

4) For the forseeable future, almost everything that goes past Mars will have to be automated. We aren't ready for manned exploration out there, mining is out of the question. Automated mining will be prohibitively expensive until we develop the technology, and there is a lot to develop.

L5 would serve a number of purposes. It would be permanent. It would be much, much, much safer than what we have now. It would be big enough to house manufacture and repair facilities (for mining, for example), and you could park a mass driver there, and use that to launch everything outwards. You'd want to set it up so that it would be as independent of the gravity well as you could make it. It would have the couple meters you would want for radiation shielding.

If you want cheaper, then the Moon is the next option. You could build in the lava tubes, and get a couple dozen meters of rock between you and the surface.
 
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