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How evil is harry pottter?

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This may just be fake news but it does raise a few questions about christian beliefs.
let's start with an incredible example of just how weird a christian can think.

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10644439/1/Hogwarts-School-of-Prayer-and-Miracles
Do you want your little ones to read books; and they want to read the Harry Potter Books; but you do not want them to turn into witches? Well-this is the story for you! This story has all the adventure of JKR's books; but will not lead your children astray. For concerned mommies everywhere! Blessings! Grace Ann
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I am curious here, do christians still believe in witches? That a book about witches and warlocks can turn your child to become one?

And that is not the worst crime here. The author americanised the book. An extract from her version.
https://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/harrypotter.asp
Hermione moved to push open the imposing, large door, but she struggled with the knob. It was quite a heavy door! But Harry was a good, devout Christian now. He would not have a young, godly girl struggling to open a door which he was perfectly capable of opening himself!

With the simple faith so often seen in little ones, Harry got down on his knees; and lifted his hands skyward; and shouted prayerfully, “Dear Lord, please open these doors; and allow me to enter my new home!”

With a loud, thunderous boom that echoed throughout the expansive, beautiful campus, the doors crashed open. Harry stood up piously as Hermione’s jaw dropped. Now, she knew for certain that this was truly a man of the Lord!

Harry was about to step inside when Hermione grabbed his arm. He blushed once more.

“Wait, Harry!” Hermione uttered quickly. “There’s something you should know.”

“What is it?” Harry queried questioningly.

“My father says that dark times are coming,” Hermione spoke worriedly. “There is a man named Voldemort who wants to destroy all that we stand for. He is pushing an agenda in congress which will stop us from practicing our faith freely.”

“But that is what our founding fathers built this nation for!” Harry cried indignantly. “The freedom of religion!”

“Voldemort doesn’t care,” Hermione remarked sadly; and she shook her head. “And he is gaining power. The freedom of Christians to practice our faith is disappearing by the day. Soon, it will be like it was in Rome.” Lovely, ladylike tears began to roll down her delicate, terrified face. “And I don’t like lions!”
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This just reads to much like a joke to be taken seriously but if there is a christian out there who can support the idea that magic and witches exist and are evil then by all means, speak up.
 
My favorite alternative take on the Harry Potter series is Harry Potter and the Portrait of what Looked like a Large Pile of Ash. Here's an excerpt!

 
The company I worked for was organizing a Christmas gift drive for the Salvation army one year. The instructions from the it was not to get Harry Potter or similar themed gifts. TO note this was in Canada
 
Jesse Booth said:
My favorite alternative take on the Harry Potter series is Harry Potter and the Portrait of what Looked like a Large Pile of Ash. Here's an excerpt!

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Have you seen this alternate take yet?

 
soylentgreen said:
This may just be fake news but it does raise a few questions about christian beliefs.
let's start with an incredible example of just how weird a christian can think.

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10644439/1/Hogwarts-School-of-Prayer-and-Miracles
I am curious here, do christians still believe in witches? That a book about witches and warlocks can turn your child to become one?

And that is not the worst crime here. The author americanised the book. An extract from her version.
https://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/harrypotter.asp

This just reads to much like a joke to be taken seriously but if there is a christian out there who can support the idea that magic and witches exist and are evil then by all means, speak up.
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1. I find it interesting that your skepticism isn't running much higher than a "maybe".

2. What do you mean by, "Do Christian still believe in witches?" I personally know around 2 or 3, maybe more. I don't really pay attention.
 
soylentgreen said:
This may just be fake news but it does raise a few questions about christian beliefs.
let's start with an incredible example of just how weird a christian can think.

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10644439/1/Hogwarts-School-of-Prayer-and-Miracles


I am curious here, do christians still believe in witches? That a book about witches and warlocks can turn your child to become one?

And that is not the worst crime here. The author americanised the book. An extract from her version.
https://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/harrypotter.asp


This just reads to much like a joke to be taken seriously but if there is a christian out there who can support the idea that magic and witches exist and are evil then by all means, speak up.
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You didn't even read your snopes link, did you?
 
Fishking said:
1. I find it interesting that your skepticism isn't running much higher than a "maybe".

2. What do you mean by, "Do Christian still believe in witches?" I personally know around 2 or 3, maybe more. I don't really pay attention.
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It's not as if christians have not done even more sillier things. The bible itself for example.

Then let me rephrase that. To quote the author.
but you do not want them to turn into witches? Well-this is the story for you! This story has all the adventure of JKR's books; but will not lead your children astray.
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Apparently you know a few people who have been lead astray?
 
soylentgreen said:
It's not as if christians have not done even more sillier things. The bible itself for example.
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Ah...you just wanted to find some kind of excuse to vent your personal bigotry. Got it.

Then let me rephrase that. To quote the author.

Apparently you know a few people who have been lead astray?
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Yes, I personally know about 2-3 witches and I believe have passing acquaintance a few more. I don't know where their start-points where so I have no idea if they are straying or not.
 
Fishking said:
Ah...you just wanted to find some kind of excuse to vent your personal bigotry. Got it.



Yes, I personally know about 2-3 witches and I believe have passing acquaintance a few more. I don't know where their start-points where so I have no idea if they are straying or not.
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Pointing out some of the more absurd thinking of some christians is hardly bigotry.

I suspect this is nothing more than you trying to move goal posts rather than deal with the issue of why christians have such ridiculous fears of witches.
When you say you know of witches do you mean the rowlings version or even grimms version. Or perhaps you mean you know a few women who enjoy the image they create by pronouncing themselves as such.
 
On a scale of 1 to Cthulu.... not very.
 
soylentgreen said:
This may just be fake news but it does raise a few questions about christian beliefs.
let's start with an incredible example of just how weird a christian can think.

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10644439/1/Hogwarts-School-of-Prayer-and-Miracles


I am curious here, do christians still believe in witches? That a book about witches and warlocks can turn your child to become one?

And that is not the worst crime here. The author americanised the book. An extract from her version.
https://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/harrypotter.asp


This just reads to much like a joke to be taken seriously but if there is a christian out there who can support the idea that magic and witches exist and are evil then by all means, speak up.
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This one is rather complicated. As a Christian myself I grew up with Aesop's Fables, Grimm's Fairy Tales, "Cinderella", and all the wonderful children's fantasy and adventure tales of magic and witches and goblins and spells and enchanted princes and the troll under the bridge. It did not in any way cause me to believe such things are real--at least since I was five--and what it did do was stimulate and provoke my imagination in very good ways as well as reinforce positive values and a desire for good to triumph over evil. I grieve for children who do not have that experience now.
All those stories were to entertain and provide entry into a wonderful mythical world of imagination. Entirely harmless and I think beneficial.

But I do think there is a dark side of literature, film, and personal counsel that is intended to provoke the mind in more sinister ways and draw it into unhealthy and perhaps dangerous beliefs. And the more vulnerable can become quite caught up in it. I don't think the Harry Potter books, movies, etc. qualify as such dark literature, however. They are wonderful.

As for Christians believing in such things as witches, I doubt more than a very few do. But most do believe in a force of evil, the demonic as it were, that must be resisted or it can consume a person.
 
I enjoyed the Harry Potter films.
I wish there were more.
I'm going on vacation soon by train.
I'll have my luggage.
If I see a interesting looking pillar I'll go for it so witch me luck.
 
I've read lots of fanfiction where Hermione struggled with knobs, that has to be one of the worst.
 
spud_meister said:
I've read lots of fanfiction where Hermione struggled with knobs, that has to be one of the worst.
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I will take a guess and say the knobs she had trouble with were not attached to doors
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
I will take a guess and say the knobs she had trouble with were not attached to doors
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That depended on the creativity of the author.

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AlbqOwl said:
This one is rather complicated. As a Christian myself I grew up with Aesop's Fables, Grimm's Fairy Tales, "Cinderella", and all the wonderful children's fantasy and adventure tales of magic and witches and goblins and spells and enchanted princes and the troll under the bridge. It did not in any way cause me to believe such things are real--at least since I was five--and what it did do was stimulate and provoke my imagination in very good ways as well as reinforce positive values and a desire for good to triumph over evil. I grieve for children who do not have that experience now.
All those stories were to entertain and provide entry into a wonderful mythical world of imagination. Entirely harmless and I think beneficial.

But I do think there is a dark side of literature, film, and personal counsel that is intended to provoke the mind in more sinister ways and draw it into unhealthy and perhaps dangerous beliefs. And the more vulnerable can become quite caught up in it. I don't think the Harry Potter books, movies, etc. qualify as such dark literature, however. They are wonderful.

As for Christians believing in such things as witches, I doubt more than a very few do. But most do believe in a force of evil, the demonic as it were, that must be resisted or it can consume a person.
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Thank you for a fairly sensible reply. I do know there are christians who are quite capable of good common sense despite the poor replies from other christians here so far.

I would query a few assumptions from you though. Your claim of entirely harmless is correct but not one shared by other christians,
What's the Harm in Harry Potter? | CBN.com
The major concern of Christians is that the books trivialize the biblical admonitions against witchcraft and sorcery. Even though the spells and magic in the books are not actual incantations, many feel that the stories legitimize the idea of practicing witchcraft – especially in targeting young children who lack solid, biblical teaching about the dangers of these things.
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I doubt that any christian who believes this will appear on this thread as they will be rubbished for the obvious foolish superstitious thinking.
So i would also query the claim that only a few would think this way.
 
soylentgreen said:
Pointing out some of the more absurd thinking of some christians is hardly bigotry.

I suspect this is nothing more than you trying to move goal posts rather than deal with the issue of why christians have such ridiculous fears of witches.
When you say you know of witches do you mean the rowlings version or even grimms version. Or perhaps you mean you know a few women who enjoy the image they create by pronouncing themselves as such.
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No, I'm mean actual witches. Are you unaware of Wicca?
 
Fishking said:
No, I'm mean actual witches. Are you unaware of Wicca?
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Oh please another ridiculous bogus religion of a bunch of people who pretend they are some kind of earth mothers.
Far more amusing than the type of christian who buys into the idea that witches exist and are evil. Bt still as lacking in credibility as a christian is.
 
soylentgreen said:
Thank you for a fairly sensible reply. I do know there are christians who are quite capable of good common sense despite the poor replies from other christians here so far.

I would query a few assumptions from you though. Your claim of entirely harmless is correct but not one shared by other christians,
What's the Harm in Harry Potter? | CBN.com


I doubt that any christian who believes this will appear on this thread as they will be rubbished for the obvious foolish superstitious thinking.
So i would also query the claim that only a few would think this way.
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Well I have lived a long time now and I know many MANY Christians. And of ALL those I have known over those many years, I don't need all the fingers on one hand to count those who would see a problem with Grimm's Fairy Tales or Harry Potter.
 
soylentgreen said:
Oh please another ridiculous bogus religion of a bunch of people who pretend they are some kind of earth mothers.
Far more amusing than the type of christian who buys into the idea that witches exist and are evil. Bt still as lacking in credibility as a christian is.
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*shrug* w/e dudebro. I just pointed out that there are witches and that I know a few of them.
 
AlbqOwl said:
Well I have lived a long time now and I know many MANY Christians. And of ALL those I have known over those many years, I don't need all the fingers on one hand to count those who would see a problem with Grimm's Fairy Tales or Harry Potter.
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Possibly you then only hang with christians who share your viewpoint.
But i have no problem findng links of christians whose views are very different.

I would hope your not trying to say the problem does not exist merely because it does not fall into your understanding of christianity.
 
Fishking said:
*shrug* w/e dudebro. I just pointed out that there are witches and that I know a few of them.
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No, you attempted to discuss witches without bothering to understand the context in which it is understood by some christians.
 
soylentgreen said:
Possibly you then only hang with christians who share your viewpoint.
But i have no problem findng links of christians whose views are very different.

I would hope your not trying to say the problem does not exist merely because it does not fall into your understanding of christianity.
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I can find posts or tweets or comments by a college degreed professional that I know who believes whole heartedly in the flat Earth theory. I know a college degreed medical professional who is convinced that vaccinations are an evil government plot or at the very least a conspiracy by the pharmaceutical companies and who has said so on Facebook and elsewhere. I could go on and on and on with anecdotal evidence of people who believe all manner of things that the mainstream population does not.

But because some people believe things that you do not--even things that you consider ludicrous--does not make it a problem.
 
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