Idea for how to climb border wall prototypes (idea & critiques welcome)[W:25]

Skeptic Bob said:

Actually, Israel is a good example. Only about 3% - 5% of the “wall” there is a concrete wall akin to what Trump is proposing, and it is used almost entirely in areas where snipers have been a threat. Rest of it is mostly double chain linked fence with electronic sensors.

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Fishking said:

Join me over here. This seems like something you'd like

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Fishking said:

So, I put this in the off-topic section as it is specifically NOT about immigration policy or any other such discussion. This is strictly about some ideas I had for climbing the wall, that didn't seem like it would be too hard, and going off of the pictures and what they described of their construction.

I'd be happy to have my ideas shot down, if it doesn't make sense. Also, I'd like to see what others think of. This is merely meant to be a fun mental exercise of theory-crafting. The goal is to think of an easy and low cost method of surmounting the obstacle.

So here is some picture of the walls:

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It looks like some of the walls might be composed entirely of metal. I don't think it would be too hard to have strong magnets provide anchor points to fit foot and hand holds to.

Some of the walls look to be a combination of metal and or all concrete. This would be reinforced concrete and wouldn't be easy to cut a hole through. Further, I think it would be hard to do it in a manner that would be difficult to keep from being detected with various devices. The tops of the walls are also rounded so hooks wouldn't work. I was thinking that a counter-balance of weight could work sufficiently as a an anchor. What you would do is have multiple people carry multiple weights of around 10-15 lbs (or w/e weight you could efficiently use to still clear the wall) and have thin rope tied to each one (I'm thinking 550 cord). You then toss each weight over the top, where it specifically is hanging down the other side. I wouldn't take long before the aggregate weight could reach 200-300 lbs. Once you've toss a sufficient enough weight you could divide the cords into roughly two groups and use the larger sized zip cords to make loops at regular intervals for foot and hand holds.

How about it? Any other ideas? Any people still remember how to calculate friction force and such to figure out how much weight would be needed for it to work?

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Carjosse said:

I am sure some of those designs could simply just be brought down by explosives.

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Fishking said:

I'd think that would be something that would be easily detected. Though...if you had no intent of actually crossing and just set of charges and run and come back and do it in another area, rinse and repeat, just to make the maintenance an overly cumbersome and costly endeavor then that would be one way.

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Grand Mal said:

What are those, 25, maybe 30 feet high? Piece of cake. I've been on dozens of tilt-slab jobs as high as those wall sections with access to the top by extension ladder put in place by one man. Only problem would be getting down the other side- you'd have to go down a rope anchored by a guy who wouldn't be going over himself.

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Fishking said:

I'd think that would be something that would be easily detected. Though...if you had no intent of actually crossing and just set of charges and run and come back and do it in another area, rinse and repeat, just to make the maintenance an overly cumbersome and costly endeavor then that would be one way.

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Skeptic Bob said:

Interesting mental exercise. I wonder how deep they go. Back when I worked at the US embassy in Mexico City I was amazed when learned how extensive the tunneling networks that cartels and coyotes used to cross the border were and how fast they could produce them. I would think there would have to be some sort of seismic sensors to counter that.

As for going over it, if you are a lone individual with no resources and no help on the other side, it looks problematic, though probably not impossible.

But if you have the assistance of just one person on the other side, a modest drone you can buy at a hobby store, a rope ladder as long as the wall is tall, and some rope/chord of various strengths, then it could probably be done fairly quickly. Attach a rope/chord twice as long as the wall to the drone and fly one end of it over the wall to the person on the other side. Tie it to a bigger, stronger rope (that would likely have been too heavy for the drone to carry) and pull it over back to the other side. Keep upgrading to heavier rope until it is strong enough to pull up a rope ladder. Guy on Mexican side climbs up rope ladder, throws it to other side, and climbs down.

There may be other ways to get the rope over if they can get or make some sort of air cannon. Something akin to a suped up “t-shirt cannon”.

You wouldn’t necessary need a partner on the other side with some type of grappling hook set-up but the rounded top version of the wall would deter that.

Again, this is right off the top of my head.

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Skeptic Bob said:

And of course professional coyotes would probably just use some trucks rigged with extending motorized ladders or something like that.

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Fishking said:

What if you had a solid shaped metal hook to wrap around the top? Like...a very wide one shaped to match the parameters of the wall?

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Grand Mal said:

There you go. Just leave it in place, who knows, tomorrow night somebody might get lucky. Hell, have two, the same colour as the wall, and leave them but take the ladder away. They could both be tied to the same hook. Go into business, put them in place every mile along a stretch.
There'd be gates in the wall, right? I mean, it'd have to be well back on American territory so both sides could be patrolled, right?
Still sounds like a goofy proposition to me.

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Fishking said:

I like that idea. Leave the forms in place, and try and have them match the wall. Remove the ropes themselves so it wouldn't be as noticeable.

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Grand Mal said:

What are those, 25, maybe 30 feet high? Piece of cake. I've been on dozens of tilt-slab jobs as high as those wall sections with access to the top by extension ladder put in place by one man. Only problem would be getting down the other side- you'd have to go down a rope anchored by a guy who wouldn't be going over himself.

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Fishking said:

So, I put this in the off-topic section as it is specifically NOT about immigration policy or any other such discussion. This is strictly about some ideas I had for climbing the wall, that didn't seem like it would be too hard, and going off of the pictures and what they described of their construction.

I'd be happy to have my ideas shot down, if it doesn't make sense. Also, I'd like to see what others think of. This is merely meant to be a fun mental exercise of theory-crafting. The goal is to think of an easy and low cost method of surmounting the obstacle.

So here is some picture of the walls:

View attachment 67227488

It looks like some of the walls might be composed entirely of metal. I don't think it would be too hard to have strong magnets provide anchor points to fit foot and hand holds to.

Some of the walls look to be a combination of metal and or all concrete. This would be reinforced concrete and wouldn't be easy to cut a hole through. Further, I think it would be hard to do it in a manner that would be difficult to keep from being detected with various devices. The tops of the walls are also rounded so hooks wouldn't work. I was thinking that a counter-balance of weight could work sufficiently as a an anchor. What you would do is have multiple people carry multiple weights of around 10-15 lbs (or w/e weight you could efficiently use to still clear the wall) and have thin rope tied to each one (I'm thinking 550 cord). You then toss each weight over the top, where it specifically is hanging down the other side. I wouldn't take long before the aggregate weight could reach 200-300 lbs. Once you've toss a sufficient enough weight you could divide the cords into roughly two groups and use the larger sized zip cords to make loops at regular intervals for foot and hand holds.

How about it? Any other ideas? Any people still remember how to calculate friction force and such to figure out how much weight would be needed for it to work?

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Superfly said:

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32' tall for a few hundred bucks. And you can get them taller. You don't have to have explosives or anything else.

A $300 ladder will render this 18 billion dollar wall pointless.

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Fishking said:

So, I put this in the off-topic section as it is specifically NOT about immigration policy or any other such discussion. This is strictly about some ideas I had for climbing the wall, that didn't seem like it would be too hard, and going off of the pictures and what they described of their construction.

I'd be happy to have my ideas shot down, if it doesn't make sense. Also, I'd like to see what others think of. This is merely meant to be a fun mental exercise of theory-crafting. The goal is to think of an easy and low cost method of surmounting the obstacle.

So here is some picture of the walls:

View attachment 67227488

It looks like some of the walls might be composed entirely of metal. I don't think it would be too hard to have strong magnets provide anchor points to fit foot and hand holds to.

Some of the walls look to be a combination of metal and or all concrete. This would be reinforced concrete and wouldn't be easy to cut a hole through. Further, I think it would be hard to do it in a manner that would be difficult to keep from being detected with various devices. The tops of the walls are also rounded so hooks wouldn't work. I was thinking that a counter-balance of weight could work sufficiently as a an anchor. What you would do is have multiple people carry multiple weights of around 10-15 lbs (or w/e weight you could efficiently use to still clear the wall) and have thin rope tied to each one (I'm thinking 550 cord). You then toss each weight over the top, where it specifically is hanging down the other side. I wouldn't take long before the aggregate weight could reach 200-300 lbs. Once you've toss a sufficient enough weight you could divide the cords into roughly two groups and use the larger sized zip cords to make loops at regular intervals for foot and hand holds.

How about it? Any other ideas? Any people still remember how to calculate friction force and such to figure out how much weight would be needed for it to work?

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