A different way to end racism?

ttwtt78640 said:

Are you kidding me?

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Nope.

ttwtt78640 said:

Your position is that racism will never end and folks subjected to it should just shut up and accept it.

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Thats what I do. Lots of Blacks hate whites and I'm white and I don't care. Do you care?
Yes, just accept it. People like and dislike other people for a spectrum of reasons. Whatever color YOU are I promise you there are people who hate you for it. Does it effect your life? Nope. Do they hurt you? Nope. Its called being an adult and not whining. I am sick of the whining.

ttwtt78640 said:

..........Of course, you are not racist because you just don't like them.

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Thats what I said. I clarified that in Post #18

If I were a racist I'd hate all other races. But I don't. I have learned to dislike those blacks who have endlessly bitched and complained for my 55 years on this planet. Sorry for being a normal human being with a normal reaction.

holbritter said:

Please, please....this is not meant as a free for all fight thread!

With the recent threads I've been reading I guess I've been thinking alot about this. It might seem far fetched at first, but think about for a minute before trashing the idea. Thanks.


What do you think a social experiment would show, if you had a bunch of kids of different races that are brought up together without any outside influence on race? No history of racial tensions, no history of slavery of a specific race or color, no biased views from politics, religion, etc. The word racism, bigotry, stereotype doesn't exist.
In this hypothetical experiment, would these kids grow up with any racist tendencies or thoughts? I don't think so, and I don't think they would inherently recognize there is a different race. Just that they look different.

If you think, like I do, that this hypothetical group would grow up and not even have racism in their lives, why don't we fight current racism like this. What I mean by that, is instead of constantly pointing out and reminding the new generations of past misdeeds, instead ignore the differences, because they don't matter?

I'm not a scholar, so I'm sure I'm not putting all this in the right words, but I think you get my drift. If we attacked racism that way going forward, could future generations eventually produce a generation that doesn't even know that racism is a word?

Edit: I started thinking about it because of something my daughter said. She lives in NYC, and I don't remember what we were talking about specifically, but it had to do with something concerning racism that she saw.
Her statement "Honestly Mom, I didn't even consider what race they were until someone brought it up". Meaning she wasn't coming at the situation with "racism" as a thought, it was just a disagreement between two 'people'.

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Of course I agree because the fact is racism is taught and based on pure ignorance . . .your idea or realization has been discussed many times in the world including here at DP. all the normal people agree that people left together without influence wouldnt know racism.

the issue is though we cant stop people from teaching it . . so if people are teaching it then there also has to be education on what it is, what it was and why its wrong.

Thats the real problem . . bigots will continue to teach it no matter what the rest of us do and education is the only way to battle it back, keep its numbers down and keep it shrinking.

TrumpPence2020 said:

Racism will never end. And frankly, who gives a crap! Clear your brain slate and think about this: If somebody doesn't like some other race, why should I let that bother me? Does it effect my life? Nope. Does it effect the lives of the people they do not like? Nope.

Millions of blacks vehemently hate white people. That's a stone cold fact. I am white. Does their racism effect me? Nope. Do I care? Nope. I don't give a rat's arse if someone hates white people or not. I live my life they same regardless of what other people think.

This whole racism song and dance is a whole lot of nothing. Let people like and dislike who they want and just go live your life for God's sake. You cannot control people so don't even try.

The important think is that legal racism like the old segregation laws are long gone. That is all government can do.

I will say this though: Racism is perpetuated in large part by people crying about racism. That is also a fact. I grew up in California in a military family and there was no hint of racism there orin my upbringing. But over the years, I have heard so much bitching, whining, and complaining from blacks, so much of blacks hating whites and blaming whites for their own problems, I have LEARNED to dislike blacks and I learned it FROM blacks. I'm not racist against them but I have learned from them to really dislike them. In the 21st century racism against black is in large part CAUSED by blacks. Asians don't do that crap, neither do Hispanics. They don't snivel and bitch and whine like blacks do. If I were a REAL racist I would dislike them too, but I don't. The best things blacks could do about racism is shut the hell up.

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LMAO
Not that anybody believes your story simply by reading your post history but by definition if there are people retarded enough in real life to have the thoughts you describe then by definition they are racist. They may not be smart enough to understand they are racist and what racism is but thats what they are. Also thier racism is based on the foundation all racism is based on . . ignorance. :shrug:

AGENT J said:

Not that anybody believes your story.........

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Not that I care,
and not that you would know what other people believe anyway.

AGENT J said:

........if there are people retarded enough in real life to have the thoughts you describe then by definition they are racist.........

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I think you need to take a night school class in English comprehension. Right now, you ain't got it.

AGENT J said:

Of course I agree because the fact is racism is taught and based on pure ignorance . . .your idea or realization has been discussed many times in the world including here at DP. all the normal people agree that people left together without influence wouldnt know racism.

the issue is though we cant stop people from teaching it . . so if people are teaching it then there also has to be education on what it is, what it was and why its wrong.

Thats the real problem . . bigots will continue to teach it no matter what the rest of us do and education is the only way to battle it back, keep its numbers down and keep it shrinking.

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I also noticed, in general, the younger generation is much less bigoted that my generation, and my generation is much less bigoted than my parents generation. However, the ones that ARE bigoted are getting increasingly vocal about it.

TrumpPence2020 said:

and not that you would know what other people believe anyway.

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So please tell me, do you, or do you not see the ginormous irony in the above quote?

TrumpPence2020 said:

1.)Not that I care,
and not that you would know what other people believe anyway.
2.)I think you need to take a night school class in English comprehension. Right now, you ain't got it.

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1.) who said you care i was just pointing out a reality
2.) LMAO again your thking doesnt matter when we are discussing facts. Again, by definition the views you presented are in fact racist . . if that fact bothers you write the dictionary companies, ill doubt they will care but give it a try

RAMOSS said:

I also noticed, in general, the younger generation is much less bigoted that my generation, and my generation is much less bigoted than my parents generation. However, the ones that ARE bigoted are getting increasingly vocal about it.

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Oh of course because again education on the topic is spreading and spreading . . its the only thing really working. .

education spreading is what shrinks it because even when its taught at home education and real life experience can still over come it at times. Please learn how stupid and factually wrong it is.

and you are 100% correct the current bigots are getting louder and louder for a few reasons, they see the reality that thier numbers are dying and at record lows. This is a last ditch hell mary to try and slow that process down. Gay rights, a black president and a woman running for president and being the nominee are also factors. American citizens getting equal rights and minorities and women making national accomplishments has thier heads exploding. Its funny and sad at the same time.

Their Numbers will continue to shrink and equality will continue to win.

Interesting thoughts for sure. I wonder if the recent victims of the Ca mudslides, or any disaster for that matter, care about color or political persuasion. Priorities.

AGENT J said:

Of course I agree because the fact is racism is taught and based on pure ignorance . . .your idea or realization has been discussed many times in the world including here at DP. all the normal people agree that people left together without influence wouldnt know racism.

the issue is though we cant stop people from teaching it . . so if people are teaching it then there also has to be education on what it is, what it was and why its wrong.

Thats the real problem . . bigots will continue to teach it no matter what the rest of us do and education is the only way to battle it back, keep its numbers down and keep it shrinking.

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Only if that education is from home. If words said by a bigot caused no reaction from anyone, every single time, don't you think it would lose its importance until it just fades away?

What about the kids that are brought up not even thinking about race and racism right now? Where they end up learning about it, is at school first. The the point is to ignore it so much that it ceases to exist.

I really think it would work, but the history part has me stumped.

The more I think about it, the less I think it would work anyway. We would have to do away with all the 'special' clubs geared specifically to race.

rjay said:

Of course they would notice differences. They would notice if someone has big ears, or a big nose, or red hair, or is skinny, or is tall. I doubt if they would associate skin color with cleanliness. Although I do seem to remember my freckles being compared to fly sh??.

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We're talking about put a group of people in a utopian bubble. :lol: Forget it.

holbritter said:

Please, please....this is not meant as a free for all fight thread!

With the recent threads I've been reading I guess I've been thinking alot about this. It might seem far fetched at first, but think about for a minute before trashing the idea. Thanks.


What do you think a social experiment would show, if you had a bunch of kids of different races that are brought up together without any outside influence on race? No history of racial tensions, no history of slavery of a specific race or color, no biased views from politics, religion, etc. The word racism, bigotry, stereotype doesn't exist.
In this hypothetical experiment, would these kids grow up with any racist tendencies or thoughts? I don't think so, and I don't think they would inherently recognize there is a different race. Just that they look different.

If you think, like I do, that this hypothetical group would grow up and not even have racism in their lives, why don't we fight current racism like this. What I mean by that, is instead of constantly pointing out and reminding the new generations of past misdeeds, instead ignore the differences, because they don't matter?

I'm not a scholar, so I'm sure I'm not putting all this in the right words, but I think you get my drift. If we attacked racism that way going forward, could future generations eventually produce a generation that doesn't even know that racism is a word?

Edit: I started thinking about it because of something my daughter said. She lives in NYC, and I don't remember what we were talking about specifically, but it had to do with something concerning racism that she saw.
Her statement "Honestly Mom, I didn't even consider what race they were until someone brought it up". Meaning she wasn't coming at the situation with "racism" as a thought, it was just a disagreement between two 'people'.

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Race is a social construct. It is no different than the caste system in India where you have untouchables and you have the "noble" class. Societies just make this stuff up. If a kid grew up in a society without these things, they wouldn't have them.

But even societies of kids have things that they find to create hierarchies and alienate those who are "different"- like the kids who can't afford a certain brand of shoes, or the jocks, etc.... again, all social constructs.

White racism and bigotry is no different than religious bigotry from the Muslims. I think it's instructive to look at the history of how it evolved. Let me explain:

I think a big part of the start of the construction of white racism is the scientific revolution (starting around the 17th century), and its byproduct, the industrial revolution (late 18th century). These first happened in white, European societies. In a very short amount of time, one or two centuries, it created massive amounts of wealth and power. It allowed them to colonize and dominate other cultures and societies in an historically unprecedented way.

So they came to think that this was all because they were genetically, innately superior to everyone else, not because of some contingencies and random circumstances of history. But the two world wars caused Europe to beat itself into a bloody pulp, so nowadays they are not AS racist as they once were. It was a very humbling experience for them to realize they were that stupid to destroy themselves with such bloody, primitive barbarism over some stupid stuff. But the US, as the only real industrialized nation left standing and relatively untouched at the end of those two world wars, was left supreme. And because it was still a white-majority country, this myth of the white man being genetically/innately superior continued to propogate here.

But the rest of the world has caught up (Japan) or is catching up (China, India, South America, etc...). This myth of whites being genetically superior will not be sustainable for much longer.

Incidentally, this is not the first time that a culture or group of people have confused the contingent circumstances of their success with something innate to themselves. In the 7th and 8th centuries AD, Islam swept out of the Arabian peninsula and to everyone's shock, including their own, took down all the superpowers of its day: the Byzantine and Persian empires. There are lots of reasons this happened, most of all that the two superpowers had weakened each other, and no one took this band of nomads coming out of the desert very seriously until it was too late. They swept into Europe and India. They created a vibrant and powerful civilization when the rest of the world was in the dark ages.

So they started thinking that all this dazzling and unimaginable success was just because of their religion. They had the right religion, and God was on their side. Had to be. How else to explain all this lopsided success? That myth, of course, continues to this day, with Muslims thinking that if they just pick up the sword yet again against the infidels, they will regain their former glory.It's just a myth. They did well for a few centuries just because of some historical contingencies. It got to their head. And it still is, after all these centuries.

White racism is the same.

holbritter said:

1.) Only if that education is from home. If words said by a bigot caused no reaction from anyone, every single time, don't you think it would lose its importance until it just fades away?

2.) What about the kids that are brought up not even thinking about race and racism right now? Where they end up learning about it, is at school first. The the point is to ignore it so much that it ceases to exist.

3.) I really think it would work, but the history part has me stumped.

the more I think about it, the less I think it would work anyway. We would have to do away with all the 'special' clubs geared specifically to race.

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1.) no because reaction isnt the real issue. its about power, if those people (bigots) still have power to do something with thier beliefs like now reactions dont matter really. Heck if it was just words things would already be so much better but thats not the case.

I dont care much what people think/say but when they make bigoted laws and or have racist practices that does matter

2.) again that cant happen if everybody isnt on board. Yes normal people will be on board but bigots dont care as long as they keep teaching and have influence and power then education needs down. ignoring a REAL problem doesnt make the problem go away I agree that there are people on both sides that keep the problem going but ignoring it wont fix it as long as the bigots exist and keep pushing thier agenda.

3.) in a vacuum i agree in the real world not so much, again because the bigots exist and they teach thier own who unfortunately many the teach believe it. if we ignore that whats to ever influence the ones learning the bigotry to ever change

like i said a plan like yours isnt anything new by any stretch. its not a bad plan at all, i agree with it but it would only work if the bigots didnt exist already. we'd have to send these people to their own planet and cut them off from ever learning it.

holbritter said:

Not really. It comes off as just accepting the way things are because it doesn't affect me.

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I agree that blacks should accept today's situations surrounding them and it doesn't effect our lives. Their problems should not be ours.

ataraxia said:

White racism and bigotry............

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Today, as a percentage, whites are the least racist of all Americans. By which I mean, white racists make up a much smaller percentage of all white Americans than black racists make up of all black Americans or Hispanic racists make up of all Hispanic Americans. That is a fact. Libtards don't get that though. One Libtard in this forum was actually excusing black racism, saying they have acceptable cause to be racist.

Friggin Libtards.

holbritter said:

Please, please....this is not meant as a free for all fight thread!

With the recent threads I've been reading I guess I've been thinking alot about this. It might seem far fetched at first, but think about for a minute before trashing the idea. Thanks.


What do you think a social experiment would show, if you had a bunch of kids of different races that are brought up together without any outside influence on race? No history of racial tensions, no history of slavery of a specific race or color, no biased views from politics, religion, etc. The word racism, bigotry, stereotype doesn't exist.
In this hypothetical experiment, would these kids grow up with any racist tendencies or thoughts? I don't think so, and I don't think they would inherently recognize there is a different race. Just that they look different.

If you think, like I do, that this hypothetical group would grow up and not even have racism in their lives, why don't we fight current racism like this. What I mean by that, is instead of constantly pointing out and reminding the new generations of past misdeeds, instead ignore the differences, because they don't matter?

I'm not a scholar, so I'm sure I'm not putting all this in the right words, but I think you get my drift. If we attacked racism that way going forward, could future generations eventually produce a generation that doesn't even know that racism is a word?

Edit: I started thinking about it because of something my daughter said. She lives in NYC, and I don't remember what we were talking about specifically, but it had to do with something concerning racism that she saw.
Her statement "Honestly Mom, I didn't even consider what race they were until someone brought it up". Meaning she wasn't coming at the situation with "racism" as a thought, it was just a disagreement between two 'people'.

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Racism is passed on thru the parents and that is why it is so persistent here. The answer is taking kids away from racist parents and that is never going to happen.

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Today, as a percentage, whites are the least racist of all Americans. By which I mean, white racists make up a much smaller percentage of all white Americans than black racists make up of all black Americans or Hispanic racists make up of all Hispanic Americans. That is a fact. Libtards don't get that though. One Libtard in this forum was actually excusing black racism, saying they have acceptable cause to be racist.

Friggin Libtards.

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LOL When have you been discriminated against because you were white? What do you really know about black or hispanic racism?

TrumpPence2020 said:

Today, as a percentage, whites are the least racist of all Americans. By which I mean, white racists make up a much smaller percentage of all white Americans than black racists make up of all black Americans or Hispanic racists make up of all Hispanic Americans. That is a fact. Libtards don't get that though. One Libtard in this forum was actually excusing black racism, saying they have acceptable cause to be racist.

Friggin Libtards.

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Ah.

Guy, I was once like you - I really was. My whole family was, and so were all our white friends down in the MS Delta. Oh, we would swear on a stack of Bibles that we weren't racist - we really believed we weren't. We thought the only real racists were the dwindling number of idiots with white robes and the blacks who were protesting up in Chicago or out in LA. We thought that one can't be racist if one isn't malicious towards the other race. Then I joined the Navy, saw the world, and was forced by my experiences to learn that yeah, I was racist, and that my whole family was racist...because racism doesn't require malice - it only requires assumptions/accusations/allegations against other races.

In other words, I've lived both sides of the story, of the ones who thought just as you do, and of those whites who have a clue that yeah, minorities - and especially blacks - face racism every single day of their lives here in America. And I know which side is right.

One more thing - this racism is NOT a "white thing". Just as I'm sure you already - and rightly - believe, there are racists in all races, all cultures, and all nations. But why, then, do we hear so much more about racism by whites in America? Here's why: in any given country, there WILL be one demographic (whether it's a racial, ethnic, or religious demographic) that is socioeconomically dominant. When that socioeconomically-dominant demographic begins to feel (rightly or wrongly) that its dominance is being threatened by a "lesser" demographic, the dominant demographic will start doing that which it believes necessary to preserve its own dominance. THAT, sir, is why the dominant Han demographic in China is so prejudiced against the Tibetans and Uighurs, why the Tutsi in Rwanda are prejudiced against the Hutus (and the Hutus retaliated with a genocide in the 1990's), why the "regular" Japanese are prejudiced against the Ainu of Honshu Island, why the Hispanic Mexicans are prejudiced against the Native Mexicans (descendants of the Aztecs and Maya)...

...and that's why American WASPs (White Anglo-Saxon Protestants) are increasingly prejudiced against minorities in general and especially blacks. It's NOT because we whites are white, but because the WASPs feel that their socioeconomic dominance is threatened...and their fear kicked into high gear when a black guy moved into the White House. That, sir, is why we whites in America DO commit more - and more egregious - racism than do the other races. It's not because we're white.

Do I expect you to accept all this? Not for a minute. Why? Because minds are almost never changed by argument, but almost always by experience...which is how my mind was changed.

Because of my previous career as a diplomat my two sons began their educational careers going to international schools. On one hand, the schools were full of privileged people since they were the kids of diplomats, government officials, and wealthy business men/women. But even though they were privileged, they were privileged kids from every country you can name. My boys would hang out with kids from India, China, Zimbabwe, Chile, and dozens others. On top of that our family is bi-racial.

So when I retired from that career and returned to the US my boys didn’t change. While their schools here are not as diverse, their friend groups seem to be a random mix of whites, blacks, Latinos and Asians. I don’t know to what extent that is due to their diverse upbringing.

Of course the majority power doesn't care about racial bigotry against us. It's not an inescapable disadvantage to us as a whole. If the OP was a minority, or educated, he would understand the impact of racism on minorities and the damage to society.

When a black person is a racial bigot, it's not a threat to whites as a whole. It will not create or perpetuate privilege against white people as a whole in employment, housing and the justice system.

When a white person is a racial bigot, it is a threat to black people as a whole. It does create and perpetuate privilege against black people as a whole in employment, housing and the justice system.

This fact is the basis of the rationalization by criminal elements to riot at instances of perceived injustice. Criminals rationalize rioting as an act of protection. White criminals do not riot at instances of perceived injustice because there is no threat to the whole upon which to rationalize a protection excuse.

Ignoring race will not diminish majority privilege and racism, it would perpetuate them. One does not solve a problem by ignoring it.

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If the OP was a minority, or educated, he would understand the impact of racism on minorities and the damage to society.

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Correction: post #11. I thought that was the OP.

TrumpPence2020 said:

Racism will never end. And frankly, who gives a crap! Clear your brain slate and think about this: If somebody doesn't like some other race, why should I let that bother me? Does it effect my life? Nope. Does it effect the lives of the people they do not like? Nope.

Millions of blacks vehemently hate white people. That's a stone cold fact. I am white. Does their racism effect me? Nope. Do I care? Nope. I don't give a rat's arse if someone hates white people or not. I live my life they same regardless of what other people think.

This whole racism song and dance is a whole lot of nothing. Let people like and dislike who they want and just go live your life for God's sake. You cannot control people so don't even try.

The important think is that legal racism like the old segregation laws are long gone. That is all government can do.

I will say this though: Racism is perpetuated in large part by people crying about racism. That is also a fact. I grew up in California in a military family and there was no hint of racism there orin my upbringing. But over the years, I have heard so much bitching, whining, and complaining from blacks, so much of blacks hating whites and blaming whites for their own problems, I have LEARNED to dislike blacks and I learned it FROM blacks. I'm not racist against them but I have learned from them to really dislike them. In the 21st century racism against black is in large part CAUSED by blacks. Asians don't do that crap, neither do Hispanics. They don't snivel and bitch and whine like blacks do. If I were a REAL racist I would dislike them too, but I don't. The best things blacks could do about racism is shut the hell up.

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One major flaw from race baiters is they think hating one race because if their skin color is not racist... one has to hate all races to be a real racist.

ecofarm said:

Of course the majority power doesn't care about racial bigotry against us. It's not an inescapable disadvantage to us as a whole. If the OP was a minority, or educated, he would understand the impact of racism on minorities and the damage to society.

When a black person is a racial bigot, it's not a threat to whites as a whole. It will not create or perpetuate privilege against white people as a whole in employment, housing and the justice system.

When a white person is a racial bigot, it is a threat to black people as a whole. It does create and perpetuate privilege against black people as a whole in employment, housing and the justice system.

This fact is the basis of the rationalization by criminal elements to riot at instances of perceived injustice. Criminals rationalize rioting as an act of protection. White criminals do not riot at instances of perceived injustice because there is no threat to the whole upon which to rationalize a protection excuse.

Ignoring race will not diminish majority privilege and racism, it would perpetuate them. One does not solve a problem by ignoring it.

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Blah blah blah...

Black people can be and are racists...

Glen Contrarian said:

...and that's why American WASPs (White Anglo-Saxon Protestants) are increasingly prejudiced against minorities in general and especially blacks. It's NOT because we whites are white, but because the WASPs feel that their socioeconomic dominance is threatened...and their fear kicked into high gear when a black guy moved into the White House. That, sir, is why we whites in America DO commit more - and more egregious - racism than do the other races. It's not because we're white.

Do I expect you to accept all this? Not for a minute. Why? Because minds are almost never changed by argument, but almost always by experience...which is how my mind was changed.

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no. not at all...