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Cruises

Don't do Carnival. DON'T DO CARNIVAL.

Carry on. :)

LOL I honestly dont like the concept of being cooped up in a ship. I prefer to rent a hotel in a city and just walk around and see the sights or take day trips to nearby areas. A simpleton's idea of a vacation, but that's me. :mrgreen:
 
LOL I honestly dont like the concept of being cooped up in a ship. I prefer to rent a hotel in a city and just walk around and see the sights or take day trips to nearby areas. A simpleton's idea of a vacation, but that's me. :mrgreen:

Why not do both? :lol: I have only been on one cruise, so I hate to say I never want to go again simply because I had one bad experience. But dang, this was bad. Really bad. We didn't have air conditioning IN THE BAHAMAS for the first 2 days of our cruise.
 
Crusies? No thanks. Floating in a giant disease cesspool full of trash touristas that don't actually see anything other than crappy tourist knick knack shops and bars when they go to port? You couldn't pay me to do that.

Be a traveler, not a tourist.

All your concerns are valid. I came up lower middle class and worked my way to upper middle class. Odd parents, one a German citizen and the other a naturalized Dane. They did the best they could, but we ended up in the US and pops eventually moved to Switzerland, became a citizen and lived a comfortable life until he passed in 1992. As a child/teenager, I was fortunate enough to visit during school holidays and one extended summer. I chose a blue collar profession and became well skilled. I stayed at work so long as the bs factor was directly in negative proportion to the money paid on pay days. I had the 'opportunity' to work for many companies and ran my own businesses for about a third of my working years. (I was in auto repair, both mechanical and collision)
Anyhow about ten-twelve year ago, the missus talked me into joining her for a cruise to Bermuda. Flight from Dulles to Ft. Lauderdale and picked up the ship. I have developed a keen eye for observing my fellow travelers. Traveling people pack all they think they will need and that leaves very little space for courtesy and common sense. From the time you enter the transportation system, you need to steel yourself to the things and people that you will interact with. At age 45 or so. I was equipped with a good deal of patience (not a strong suit to begin with), and the ability to 'turn the other cheek and bite my tongue.) As I got older this reserve of goodwill was drained, so that by the time of (hopefully) my last cruise, I was not the most well behaved cruiser.
I am on board with much of your critique of the cruise business. From the beginning of the travel, (arrival at the airport), not to mention the days of preparation, finding temp home for pets, packing, cutting off papers and mail delivery and generally getting your mind right to the 'adventure' to begin. Then there is the mode of travel to begin with. Early on we flew "steerage." Economy to the carriers. Miserable and not conducive to patience or good behavior. Then the carriers began to separate the riff-raff from those who were ok spending more to get 2" more of legroom, a preferred seat or other amenities that the carriers thought the traveling public would tolerate. WE looked at the upgrades to Business Class and even First Class. We were NO WAY going to pay that kind of money for 6-8 hours of travel! Well we tried it once and justified the cost somehow. You get a better seat, included alcohol and a smaller ratio of passengers to crapper. It is still a test. Some folks feel that when traveling, anything goes. I will get on to the cruises we have gone on. The behavior of travelers in airports, before and after arrival is another topic.
The Bermuda trip was ok. We docked and stayed for 2-3 days. Some folks never left the confines of the boat. "I'm not paying for meals that I have already paid for." We walked all over the island and I enjoyed myself. Over the next 10-12 years, the missus got me to travel overseas at least twice annually. When younger and more agile we would cruise and 'free style.' Free style meant car rental and packing and unpacking every few days. Did I mention my missus? She is the best. We Drove across France, (the French people we met in the interior of the country were a stark contrast to those in large urban centers.) I stood on Omaha Beach 65 years to the day and hour of the events that occurred there. I have driven the AutoBahn, I recommend it! We free styled once a year and then we cruised the other. Benefits of boat cruising: pack/unpack less, destinations that you probably wouldn't get to on your own, local guides that are well worth the trip. The good guides, by far out number any marginal ones. The largest line we cruised was Carnival/Celebrity to the Caribbean. Panama Canal was nice to see, we traversed the eastern lock and were bussed to the western one, although the ends of the Panama Canal tend to be more north and south.

Seen: Norway, Iceland, Shetland Islands, Faroe Islands,( I don't want to bore the non interested, if you want more info PM me)

Conclusionis that my goodwill to my fellow man has run out. I just became eligible for Medicare and have found that the older I have gotten, the looser my lips have gotten.. If you are able to order from the menu as you would on a special occasion at a high line restaurant: covering up the right side, where the prices are listed. Go to places that you are interested in seeing, not only where your wallet will take you. It is an activity for younger more patient people. Those quick to offense or anger should be careful.

Anyhow my story, partially....................
 
Could you elaborate on that? A lot of people told me they at first hated going on one but fell in love with it later on. I have yet to go on a cruise, but I'm thinking of doing it with my son.

The first cruise was that short 3 day cruise to Ensenada and back. That was fine. Had a good time. Last summer we took a cruise to Alaska on Norwegian. A full week cruise on which I got cruised out on about day 4. The cruises are fine I guess, I just prefer to be at the destinations.
 
My wife and I have done 4 cruises to Alaska.. 3 on Royal Caribbean and 1 on Princess, Never had a bad experience.. Food was always great, service was always great.. Never got sick..

Maybe I am just lucky..

last cruise we had the all inclusive beverages.. Free booze!!! so I was really happy..

djl
 
Go to a place and see it from the ground level, take the bus, meet people, experience where you are going. Cruise ships are for xenophobes who want to pretend to be travelers.

Yea Ships are dirty,, but buses are clean?

djl
 
That's the problem I had with my cruise. Trashy people. It was like I took the Walmart of cruises. I never want to do that again. I had never been on a cruise before, so I didn't want to pay a lot, in case I didn't like it. There was my problem. Had I paid more, I would have had a better cruise, with less small kids and drunk parents walking around.

One of my friends had a great time going to the cruise to Alaska. My cousin met her husband on a cruise. Of course, then my ex-manager died on a cruise too.
 
That's the problem I had with my cruise. Trashy people. It was like I took the Walmart of cruises. I never want to do that again. I had never been on a cruise before, so I didn't want to pay a lot, in case I didn't like it. There was my problem. Had I paid more, I would have had a better cruise, with less small kids and drunk parents walking around.

The Walmart cruise. :lol: Last time I went on a cruise it was a carnival one and it really wasn't that bad. I thought it would be because on the same cruise there was a red hat lady convention. We had never heard of them so my husband and I thought it was going to be drag but most of those women were actually pretty crazy. They were out for a good time so that really sets the stage for some fun.
 
That 1200 Sportster will give you saddle burns!

I owned a 1200 Sporty for a few years back in the 90s. She vibrated like a bastard but for cruising around town she was a great bike.
 
Anybody ever cruise with a line called MSC Cruises? I just heard about them for the first time yesterday and was wondering if they were any good.

After my nightmare on Carnival, it has made me question whether I ever wanted to go on another cruise, but I have since been told to never, ever cruise with Carnival. :lol: So I'm going to try again.

I want to try Royal Caribbean or Princess, or Celebrity, but I am open to other lesser known lines if they are good.

Was gulted two years ago to go on an 4 day Carribean cruise out of Florida on Norwegian by my mother-in-law. The worst 'vacation' of my life.

Essentially a floating party bar, full of European nymphs and oiled up old European geezers in Speedos oogling them, long lines for everything, people drunk all the time and everywhere, crappy tourist stuff at every stop, CRAP food and my beloved Maine Coon/Chantilly mix, Brutus, died in my absence.

NEVER going on a cruise again unless it's on a sailboat going to a place of my choosing
 
I'd love to go on European river cruises, but right now I am looking more to a cruise to Mexico. We went to the Bahamas last time. I have found a handful that will take you to Grand Cayman, Jamaica, Haiti, and Mexico. That would be cool.

Shame about MSC. They had a 12 day cruise for only $700 per person.

I'm dying to take a European river cruise as well. I've been on a couple of Carnival cruises - out of NY - and had a great time. No complaints at all.
 
I'm dying to take a European river cruise as well. I've been on a couple of Carnival cruises - out of NY - and had a great time. No complaints at all.

My parents did that on a barge, up the Loire river in France, sponsored and organized by a California winery. It was wine-centric, had two French chefs, luxury private quarters, and only 16 people on board. They only stopped at wineries and areas of historical interest.

They loved it. I myself would shell out that kind of dosh for a trip like that, but they thought it was worth every penny.
 
Yea Ships are dirty,, but buses are clean?

djl

No, but you are on a bus for 10 minutes, and you get to experience how a foreign city works.
 
Was gulted two years ago to go on an 4 day Carribean cruise out of Florida on Norwegian by my mother-in-law. The worst 'vacation' of my life.

Essentially a floating party bar, full of European nymphs and oiled up old European geezers in Speedos oogling them, long lines for everything, people drunk all the time and everywhere, crappy tourist stuff at every stop, CRAP food and my beloved Maine Coon/Chantilly mix, Brutus, died in my absence.

NEVER going on a cruise again unless it's on a sailboat going to a place of my choosing

I've done a few liveaboard scuba boats, but you do 5 dives a day, and are pretty much exhausted every night, no time for partying.
 
I've done a few liveaboard scuba boats, but you do 5 dives a day, and are pretty much exhausted every night, no time for partying.

Jealous. My childhood hero was Jaques Cousteau, but I have inner ear problems and cannot equalize; I can't go below about 5ft of water w/out insane pain.
 
We just went on a Royal Caribbean cruise in July. 9 days..3 stops. 2 of the stops were Old San Juan and Sint Maarten. Beautiful places, but not anymore. So sad.

Anyway. I liked the cruise, the food was good, the service excellent, the ship was beautiful. My BIG complaint, and it's so big it may keep us from ever cruising again, was now they nickle and dime you to death.

We've been on 6 cruises before, except for booze and souvenirs they included about everything. All inclusive..

This last cruise in July? I was shocked how much is no longer 'included'. There were MORE restaurants on the ship that you had to PAY to eat then there were restaurants that were 'free'/included. It was ridiculous.
 
Jealous. My childhood hero was Jaques Cousteau, but I have inner ear problems and cannot equalize; I can't go below about 5ft of water w/out insane pain.

I dove for the first time in 6 years about 3 weeks ago, my ears finally cleared up this week, went down about 90 feet, it was like I had never stopped diving super easy. My GF however, first time in 12 years and she freaked out and had mask issues and it just built up fear, she never made it down on the dive, cascading panic. Not fun. My dive was good, turtles, sharks, all that.
 
Was it because their service was poor? Ports sucked wind? Onboard food was bad? Or because you found you didn't like cruising?

Food was bad, service was poor, and I really had nothing to do on that ship, because almost everything was for adults. Not to mention that we couldn't dock at our first destination, because of a storm. So we had another "fun day at sea" instead. More like torture.
 
Cruises are a great way to get a taste of a lot of places on a trip without constant packing and unpacking. If anyone who hasn't been on a cruise is giving you advice, it is a waste. Anyone who has only been on 1 Cruise line probably isn't a good place to get advice unless you are going on that cruise line, and then only if that information is recent.

Rule #1, all cruise lines are different and they are not constant in their differences. 2 cruises to the same place on different lines can be different experiences.

Understand what demographic you are in and what experience you want and find out which cruise line targets those demographics--you will probably enjoy that experience better.

I've been 100 days at sea on 4 different cruise lines. There have been stuff I really like on each and stuff I didn't really like on each. The age of the ship matters too. An older smaller ship can be more fun than a newer mega ship. Variety will highlight those differences. We go on cruises because of the itineraries as a way to get to places we would like to see but don't want to gamble a whole week on, or places that we really like. To go to the same places or to just stay on the ship to us is a waste of time. We take 2 vacations a year, 1 is usually a cruise, another is usually a destination.

As for the cruise lines, they historically have gone this way:

1. Carnival--never been, not in their demographic--young and cheap
2. Norwegian--never been, heard consistently that their food isn't that great. Tend to be more innovative in their services. Maybe will take 1 next year due to them being the only one to offer an itinerary we are interested in.
3. Royal Caribbean--Been on 4, from fantastic to pretty good. Probably geared most toward our demographic but they have been scrimping in some areas. A fine dining experience involves little things like the waiter offering pepper from a pepper mill. Last one we were on didn't even have pepper mills.
4. Celebrity--A Royal Caribbean brand, but a step above RCCL. Only been on 1, but never found a good itinerary for another.
5. Princess (Carnival brand)--Been on 5 of them. Best food and service, but they skew older than our demographic catering to the 60-70 year olds.
6. Holland America (Carnival brand)--Been on 1 of them because of the itinerary. My first cruise and definitely skewed the oldest that I've been on. Tends to be mostly the parents of the Princess cruisers. Much more formal but they have some interesting itineraries.

I've seen MSC ships and they are a big company not part of the big 3. The tend to promote mostly to Europeans. I think they have been the best of the foreign brands that I've seen. Mein Schiff, Thomson, TUI and AIDA come to mind.

Never been on the really high end like Azmara, Oceania, Silversea, Seabourn. Will be on first Viking River next month and have heard glowing reviews of Viking Ocean.

Again, cruises are about the journey and best if you view the ship as a resort hotel where you unpack once and the hotel keeps moving to places you have selected. If all you want is to find a beach or city somewhere and stay there, then a cruise won't satisfy you. If you want to see a lot of places on a trip and not have to deal with much logistics such as packing/unpacking, rental cars, trains/buses, then a cruise is a good option.
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My wife and I have done 4 cruises to Alaska.. 3 on Royal Caribbean and 1 on Princess, Never had a bad experience.. Food was always great, service was always great.. Never got sick..

Maybe I am just lucky..

last cruise we had the all inclusive beverages.. Free booze!!! so I was really happy..

djl

That's two of the lines we are looking at. Heard great things about them.
 
Anybody ever cruise with a line called MSC Cruises? I just heard about them for the first time yesterday and was wondering if they were any good.

After my nightmare on Carnival, it has made me question whether I ever wanted to go on another cruise, but I have since been told to never, ever cruise with Carnival. :lol: So I'm going to try again.

I want to try Royal Caribbean or Princess, or Celebrity, but I am open to other lesser known lines if they are good.

Not a cruise person - they bore me into drinking too much, lol.

We ARE considering doing one to take in Alaska, as that seems the most efficient method.
 
Cruises are a great way to get a taste of a lot of places on a trip without constant packing and unpacking. If anyone who hasn't been on a cruise is giving you advice, it is a waste. Anyone who has only been on 1 Cruise line probably isn't a good place to get advice unless you are going on that cruise line, and then only if that information is recent.

Rule #1, all cruise lines are different and they are not constant in their differences. 2 cruises to the same place on different lines can be different experiences.

Understand what demographic you are in and what experience you want and find out which cruise line targets those demographics--you will probably enjoy that experience better.

I've been 100 days at sea on 4 different cruise lines. There have been stuff I really like on each and stuff I didn't really like on each. The age of the ship matters too. An older smaller ship can be more fun than a newer mega ship. Variety will highlight those differences. We go on cruises because of the itineraries as a way to get to places we would like to see but don't want to gamble a whole week on, or places that we really like. To go to the same places or to just stay on the ship to us is a waste of time. We take 2 vacations a year, 1 is usually a cruise, another is usually a destination.

As for the cruise lines, they historically have gone this way:

1. Carnival--never been, not in their demographic--young and cheap
2. Norwegian--never been, heard consistently that their food isn't that great. Tend to be more innovative in their services. Maybe will take 1 next year due to them being the only one to offer an itinerary we are interested in.
3. Royal Caribbean--Been on 4, from fantastic to pretty good. Probably geared most toward our demographic but they have been scrimping in some areas. A fine dining experience involves little things like the waiter offering pepper from a pepper mill. Last one we were on didn't even have pepper mills.
4. Celebrity--A Royal Caribbean brand, but a step above RCCL. Only been on 1, but never found a good itinerary for another.
5. Princess (Carnival brand)--Been on 5 of them. Best food and service, but they skew older than our demographic catering to the 60-70 year olds.
6. Holland America (Carnival brand)--Been on 1 of them because of the itinerary. My first cruise and definitely skewed the oldest that I've been on. Tends to be mostly the parents of the Princess cruisers. Much more formal but they have some interesting itineraries.

I've seen MSC ships and they are a big company not part of the big 3. The tend to promote mostly to Europeans. I think they have been the best of the foreign brands that I've seen. Mein Schiff, Thomson, TUI and AIDA come to mind.

Never been on the really high end like Azmara, Oceania, Silversea, Seabourn. Will be on first Viking River next month and have heard glowing reviews of Viking Ocean.

Again, cruises are about the journey and best if you view the ship as a resort hotel where you unpack once and the hotel keeps moving to places you have selected. If all you want is to find a beach or city somewhere and stay there, then a cruise won't satisfy you. If you want to see a lot of places on a trip and not have to deal with much logistics such as packing/unpacking, rental cars, trains/buses, then a cruise is a good option.
5.

I don't want an old geezer cruise for sure, but definitely want one that caters to people who don't have ankle biters anymore. I can't tell you how many times I was nearly knocked off my feet by unattended 8 year olds, whose parents were drunk at the bar. I want somewhere I can go and enjoy myself and get good food and good service. Plus I expected a lot from the cruise, because I was not only about the destination, I also wanted just peace and quiet in this big ship. I expected really good service, and really good food, and a lot of it. I got none of that. I got better, higher quality food and a better atmosphere at Texas de Brazil steakhouse. THAT? That is how I expected the cruise to be.

And apparently, I was on one of the lower end Carnival ships, so I definitely was on the Walmart cruise. Bottom of the barrel ship on a bottom of the barrel line.

The more you know. *shrug*
 
Not a cruise person - they bore me into drinking too much, lol.

We ARE considering doing one to take in Alaska, as that seems the most efficient method.

You say that like it is a bad thing. :lol: I did find that the adult beverages there weren't really that much more expensive than in a decent bar.
 
Cruises are a great way to get a taste of a lot of places on a trip without constant packing and unpacking. If anyone who hasn't been on a cruise is giving you advice, it is a waste. Anyone who has only been on 1 Cruise line probably isn't a good place to get advice unless you are going on that cruise line, and then only if that information is recent.

Rule #1, all cruise lines are different and they are not constant in their differences. 2 cruises to the same place on different lines can be different experiences.

Understand what demographic you are in and what experience you want and find out which cruise line targets those demographics--you will probably enjoy that experience better.

I've been 100 days at sea on 4 different cruise lines. There have been stuff I really like on each and stuff I didn't really like on each. The age of the ship matters too. An older smaller ship can be more fun than a newer mega ship. Variety will highlight those differences. We go on cruises because of the itineraries as a way to get to places we would like to see but don't want to gamble a whole week on, or places that we really like. To go to the same places or to just stay on the ship to us is a waste of time. We take 2 vacations a year, 1 is usually a cruise, another is usually a destination.

As for the cruise lines, they historically have gone this way:

1. Carnival--never been, not in their demographic--young and cheap
2. Norwegian--never been, heard consistently that their food isn't that great. Tend to be more innovative in their services. Maybe will take 1 next year due to them being the only one to offer an itinerary we are interested in.
3. Royal Caribbean--Been on 4, from fantastic to pretty good. Probably geared most toward our demographic but they have been scrimping in some areas. A fine dining experience involves little things like the waiter offering pepper from a pepper mill. Last one we were on didn't even have pepper mills.
4. Celebrity--A Royal Caribbean brand, but a step above RCCL. Only been on 1, but never found a good itinerary for another.
5. Princess (Carnival brand)--Been on 5 of them. Best food and service, but they skew older than our demographic catering to the 60-70 year olds.
6. Holland America (Carnival brand)--Been on 1 of them because of the itinerary. My first cruise and definitely skewed the oldest that I've been on. Tends to be mostly the parents of the Princess cruisers. Much more formal but they have some interesting itineraries.

I've seen MSC ships and they are a big company not part of the big 3. The tend to promote mostly to Europeans. I think they have been the best of the foreign brands that I've seen. Mein Schiff, Thomson, TUI and AIDA come to mind.

Never been on the really high end like Azmara, Oceania, Silversea, Seabourn. Will be on first Viking River next month and have heard glowing reviews of Viking Ocean.

Again, cruises are about the journey and best if you view the ship as a resort hotel where you unpack once and the hotel keeps moving to places you have selected. If all you want is to find a beach or city somewhere and stay there, then a cruise won't satisfy you. If you want to see a lot of places on a trip and not have to deal with much logistics such as packing/unpacking, rental cars, trains/buses, then a cruise is a good option.
5.

We did a couple of Viking river cruises taking 85 year olds, which Viking accommodates well. The one in Russia - bleh, but that was 2006. They have updated their ships and the last one we did in 2015 was really good.
 
You say that like it is a bad thing. :lol: I did find that the adult beverages there weren't really that much more expensive than in a decent bar.

True, but I drank too damn much, which was on me not the cruise. I just find the entertainment offered not to be of much interest, and basically spent 4 days mostly buzzed. LOL, live and learn.
 
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