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Colin Kaepernick and Black Power...

As a society it would seem we haven't learned much. This is a photo of the two runners who rose their fists in the Black Power salute during the National Anthem at the 1968 Olympics. They were runners. Here's their photo on the medals stand...

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And here's what it meant..



They were thrown off the team and really took heat at home. While millions in our country admired them for their courage, millions more were enraged. However, in many parts of the world, they were heroes and people across the globe admired our country AND them because they were free to make that statement in such a public way. They eventually became successful men and have been living good lives. One of them explained that their protest was their fists in the air. Their heads were bowed in deference to the American flag and anthem.

After reading about this in response to a curiosity re Colin Kaepernick, it reminds me we haven't made much progress...

your thoughts?

I think that our civil rights movement was poorly oriented and has probably moved in a wrong direction doing many of those considerable damage that we wanted to help.
 
They were heros then and they are heros now, and it is a great thing they were able to do make their statment and give a big FU with their human rights salute.
As far as fall out, well it was 1968. Thats only one year after loving v Virginia. Malcolm X was assassinated in 1965, MLK was assassinated in 1968.

As far as whats goign on with CK, well its a media world now and there are still lots of sensitive people in the world and misguided whiners and they are the squeaky wheel.

Lastly about progress? we have made a ton. With regrades to race things are better than they have ever been among normal people. Everyday people. Just because the the imbeciles are all fired up and getting attention doesn't worry me. Its a shame but they are the extremist, the minority and they dont represent society. Do we still have far to go? of course. There are still race problems but we have still made huge strides and I am VERY thankful it isnt 1968 and i would NEVER want it to be.

Marlon X was assassinated by a black muslim kinda hard to blame that one on white racism
 
It's so inspiring seeing somebody overcome the immense burden of being white in America.

Life itself is hard. To really succeed in life isn't always easy no matter the color of one's skin.

This is really the most important part -- and where we need to focus. Education opens doors. And, that doesn't mean every child has to get a bachelor's, it simply means they need to be able to function in the outside world and have a marketable skill. We need to bring back trade schools and move at-risk teens in that direction by freshman or sophomore year. We need to work with the communities to offer businesses incentives for hiring these kids after school. We need to help them form and move toward real-life goals, instead of letting them fall through the cracks.

i could not agree with you more. Back in the day, just shortly after the discovery of fire, my test scores were apparently very strong, and, against my wishes, I was put into all accelerated classes towards college prep. The classes I remember best are those in which I did the worst...Russian (two years) algebra and advanced algebra, geometry. I barely passed. Mid-soph year, I was called into the counselor's office and told, We are getting you ready for college. You've got to apply yourself more. We have you scheduled for a third year in Russian, advanced geometry and biology classes."

Once I convinced the counselor I was not interested in college, they allowed me to pick my own classes. I chose typing, shorthand, and advanced English. All of which I excelled at. In my junior year, I was offered a work-study program which allowed my being able to get a job arranged thru a school community program where I left school at 1 PM. I worked for an engineering company from 1:30 to 5 where I utilized my 100 words per minute typing and excellent shorthand skills. I loved it.

I took classes that prepared me for work, not college. My choice. At age 19, I started my own office services company and sold it in 20 years allowing me to retire at age 40. After eight years of that, I became a Realtor and had a very successful career until I retired again. I thank God that my counselor listened to me and let me take classes that prepped me for life. Not college.

I wonder where the shop classes have gone. The automotive classes. The work-study programs. The cooking classes. The very programs that allowed ME to be all that I could be and wanted to be. Everyone is not college material, either by their own expectations or because they need life skills more than college prep. We have been missing a very large boat, imo, sending kids through four years of high school and preparing them for college with little or no actual life skills. And not steering kids towards vocational skills.

Long story. I apologize. Probably one of those TLDR posts. But I absolutely think our current high schools are geared toward fulfilling "their" expectations rather than helping kids live their lives. We will ALWAYS need carpenters, plumbers, painters,mdrywall experts, auto mechanics, auto body guys, admin assistants, customer service reps, etc., etc.

Last time I posted something like this, I was,called a racist. Go figure. Anyway, your post really resonated.
 
Being white is great. You'll pay more for college and be less desirable of an applicant for the school and job and people will believe you're set in court when really it's having an $$$ lawyer on your behalf that helps.

I thank God that I learned that life isn't fair, you have to work harder than others for the same outcome, and the choices you make are what matter most.

What makes you think that is all true? I didn't get a free college education because I am immigrant. My husband has tan skin and an immigrant, and he has gotten nothing for free either.

We filled out our FASFA forms and get the same financial aid based on financial need. There are 2 types of loans and Pell Grants. Your race, herigage, national origin, etc. has nothing to do with it.

As far as our resumes go, I have tried to Americanize my name. My husband hasn't. There is research showing that people are often discriminated against because of their name. I really don't think we have gotten anything for free or handed to us.
 
Wow, what a triggered, factually untrue and none reality based meltdown post. Thats hilarious, weird in a sci-fi kinda way but hilarious.

Please, tell me how my life's experiences are factually untrue :roll:
 
Marlon X was assassinated by a black muslim kinda hard to blame that one on white racism

Where in my post did I blamed his assassination on white racism?:2rofll:

This is a PERFECT example of what the problems are with some views and people in this country. People read or hear A and then in their heads their biased and illogical kneejerk reactions make up X Y Z and X Y Z NEVER happened.

Next time dont make things up and your post wont look so stupid lol
 
Please, tell me how my life's experiences are factually untrue :roll:

Please tell me where I said any of your "life experiences" are untrue. Once again, assumption on your part and making stuff up that you want too Thank you for proving my point LMAO
 
Please tell me where I said any of your "life experiences" are untrue. Once again, assumption on your part and making stuff up that you want too Thank you for proving my point LMAO

When you directly said it

Wow, what a triggered, factually untrue and none reality based meltdown post. Thats hilarious, weird in a sci-fi kinda way but hilarious.
 
When you directly said it
I directly said it???

really?

oh in that case can you please point out and qoute where i directly said your "life experiences" and bold it for me, odd i dont see those words anywhere in there? Ill wait, thanks!
 
As a society it would seem we haven't learned much. This is a photo of the two runners who rose their fists in the Black Power salute during the National Anthem at the 1968 Olympics. They were runners. Here's their photo on the medals stand...

View attachment 67223084

And here's what it meant..



They were thrown off the team and really took heat at home. While millions in our country admired them for their courage, millions more were enraged. However, in many parts of the world, they were heroes and people across the globe admired our country AND them because they were free to make that statement in such a public way. They eventually became successful men and have been living good lives. One of them explained that their protest was their fists in the air. Their heads were bowed in deference to the American flag and anthem.

After reading about this in response to a curiosity re Colin Kaepernick, it reminds me we haven't made much progress...

your thoughts?

It's called 'taking a stand' based on something known as a 'principle'. It's an honorable act requiring immense amounts of courage.

It's something that many people around here seem to have the hardest time understanding.
 
I directly said it???

really?

oh in that case can you please point out and qoute where i directly said your "life experiences" and bold it for me, odd i dont see those words anywhere in there? Ill wait, thanks!

:doh I'm not playing these games. Either refute the post or not. Stating something is "factually untrue" or "none reality based" with nothing to back it up is weak.
 
When I was in the navy, I served with a guy named Grady Jackson, a senior chief, black as you could be. You would never mistake him for some one heavily tanned, he was jet black. I got along really well with him and he kinda took me under his wing. He one night when nothing was going on told me some stories from when he was just a youngun in the navy, back in the 60s. You did not go to the head by yourself, you took 2 frinds, because trouble making groups of whites and blacks would jump people of the other race if they where alone. Blacks always tended to do worse on evals unless they where really exceptionally good, which made advancement harder. There where riots and near riots. The painfully weak command structure of the time could or would do nothing to stop it.

Whenever any one talks about how little we have come, or that we are no beter than we were, I think back to Senior Jackson's stories, and think, you know, maybe we are improving, maybe we have gotten better. I think we just see how far there is to go, and lose sight of how much has been done.

I agree with you, but the problem with patting ourselves on the back before the job is finished is that the job doesn't get finished, especially with uncomfortable jobs like dealing with racism. Celebrate and teach the milestones, sure, but also keep focus on the desired outcome.

I think the difference between the pic and the OP, and the lack of respect shown today is the fact that nearly 50 years have gone by, and statistics still clearly demonstrate the significant disparity black people face at the societal level.
 
:doh I'm not playing these games. Either refute the post or not. Stating something is "factually untrue" or "none reality based" with nothing to back it up is weak.

Games? you mean the game where I ask you to support the factual wrong assumption you made up in your head and you cant so now you are deflecting and wont even admit the fact that what you claim factually isnt true? that game? I agree :doh
Next time dont make things up and your false claims wont get so quickly and easily exposed and they will have better success to having an honest integrity based conversation. Let me know when you can qoute me saying the thing you completely made up or you make a post based on honesty and integrity and admit your mistake and that you misspoke, thanks.
 
Where in my post did I blamed his assassination on white racism?:2rofll:

This is a PERFECT example of what the problems are with some views and people in this country. People read or hear A and then in their heads their biased and illogical kneejerk reactions make up X Y Z and X Y Z NEVER happened.

Next time dont make things up and your post wont look so stupid lol

It was very clear that is what you were insinuating by sandwiching Malcolm X between Loving v Virginia and the MLK assassination.

Don't act like moron and you won't get treated like one
 
1.)It was very clear that is what you were insinuating by sandwiching Malcolm X between Loving v Virginia and the MLK assassination.
2.)Don't act like moron and you won't get treated like one

1.) nope again perfect example of what you ASSUMED and MADE UP in your head
2.) a personal attack after having the lies in your post completely exposed lol ANOTHER perfect example of whats wrong with the actions and views of some in this country. Thank you again for proving that. Dont forget please let us know where I blamed the assassination of MLK on white racism and Quote it, thanks
 
I agree with you, but the problem with patting ourselves on the back before the job is finished is that the job doesn't get finished, especially with uncomfortable jobs like dealing with racism. Celebrate and teach the milestones, sure, but also keep focus on the desired outcome.

I think the difference between the pic and the OP, and the lack of respect shown today is the fact that nearly 50 years have gone by, and statistics still clearly demonstrate the significant disparity black people face at the societal level.

I dunno if recognizing how far we have come is really patting ourselves on the back, so much as recognizing we can improve. We have done it.
 
Wrong. But close. But when 71% of the nation is white an intelligent person would expect and accept the majority. Not claim ****ing racism.

I'm talking about over the entirety of American history, not just right this second.

And I know the majority of people in this country are white. But two standard deviations out of the norm is considered anomalous and the amount of successful white people is far far outside the range of what we could expect given the base population figures. Now, either white people are born more capable, or there are externalities that better allow white people to succeed in America. I'll leave it up to you to decide which one you think is the answer.

This is a thread started on emotion and not facts.

The 60's were full of legislation that stopped states from violating the rights of any person due to color, sex or religion. It was long overdue but it was a bunch of white people in Congress who fought for it..

Do you really think that 60's legislation giving black people rights was due to a few hard working white people in congress???

It's crazy how we've managed to whitewash our history. There are some other posts in this thread where people are talking about patting ourselves on the back. This right here is breaking our own arm jerking ourselves off.
 
Games? you mean the game where I ask you to support the factual wrong assumption you made up in your head and you cant so now you are deflecting and wont even admit the fact that what you claim factually isnt true? that game? I agree :doh
Next time dont make things up and your false claims wont get so quickly and easily exposed and they will have better success to having an honest integrity based conversation. Let me know when you can qoute me saying the thing you completely made up or you make a post based on honesty and integrity and admit your mistake and that you misspoke, thanks.

I posted something, you said it was full of factually incorrect things, etc. I'm asking you to prove your point.
 
I posted something, you said it was full of factually incorrect things, etc. I'm asking you to prove your point.

Yes I pointed that fact out and will GLADLY do that once you walk back your factually wrong statment you made up. You dont get to make up complete BS then ask for an honest and integrity based exchange. So here we are, please qoute me saying the thing you completely made up or you make a post based on honesty and integrity and admit your mistake and that you misspoke. THEN I will gladly proceed to point out the factually wrong parts. Choice is yours but Im guessing integrity won't be posted and admittance of the mistake in your post will be avoided. Let me know, thanks.
 
It's crazy how we've managed to whitewash our history. There are some other posts in this thread where people are talking about patting ourselves on the back. This right here is breaking our own arm jerking ourselves off.

Are not the people in Congress representing their constituents? And the majority of Congress was in favor of the Civil rights Acts showing a majority in this country in favor of them also? And weren't the overwhelming majority of Congress critters white at that time? The point I was making is the overwhelming majority in this country supported equality for all. And yes there was a real fight in Congress to get them passed. A real battle within the Democratic party.
 
I'm talking about over the entirety of American history, not just right this second.

What happened three hundred years ago is irrelevant to today.


. Now, either white people are born more capable, or there are externalities that better allow white people to succeed in America. I'll leave it up to you to decide which one you think is the answer.

False dilemma. Logical fallacy.
 
It's called 'taking a stand' based on something known as a 'principle'. It's an honorable act requiring immense amounts of courage.

It's something that many people around here seem to have the hardest time understanding.

It's a cheap stand, in my opinion. Want to really help your minority community? Make a real difference? Volunteer your time to encourage inner-city schools to create and maintain vocational programs for high school kids. Mentor a half-dozen kids. Encourage them to learn in school. Teach them the value of a good education. Insist that schools isolate those who disrupt classrooms. There are a thousand things an athlete can do to help minorities.

Taking a knee is cheap. And useless. All it does is further divide the country. (IMO, of course.)
 
It's a cheap stand, in my opinion. Want to really help your minority community? Make a real difference? Volunteer your time to encourage inner-city schools to create and maintain vocational programs for high school kids. Mentor a half-dozen kids. Encourage them to learn in school. Teach them the value of a good education. Insist that schools isolate those who disrupt classrooms. There are a thousand things an athlete can do to help minorities.

Taking a knee is cheap. And useless. All it does is further divide the country. (IMO, of course.)

Individual activism only goes so far.

The only way this problem can be properly addressed is by addressing it as a collective community.
 
It's a cheap stand, in my opinion. Want to really help your minority community? Make a real difference? Volunteer your time to encourage inner-city schools to create and maintain vocational programs for high school kids. Mentor a half-dozen kids. Encourage them to learn in school. Teach them the value of a good education. Insist that schools isolate those who disrupt classrooms. There are a thousand things an athlete can do to help minorities.

Taking a knee is cheap. And useless. All it does is further divide the country. (IMO, of course.)

"Cheap"? It took courage and they risked their careers for what they did. And who says they didn't volunteer in their communities?

That they did what they did on a televised, international level makes even more gutsy.

It was done out of love of country, and what the country might be. It only divided people who were already fools in the first place.
 
"Cheap"? It took courage and they risked their careers for what they did. And who says they didn't volunteer in their communities?

That they did what they did on a televised, international level makes even more gutsy.

It was done out of love of country, and what the country might be. It only divided people who were already fools in the first place.

Too bad you don't practice the tolerance you preach.

Isn't it?
 
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