Street names

poweRob · Aug 7, 2017

I thought I'd share this. It's talked about in my office where I work and the old timers remember it quite well. Basically here in Santa Fe County, people can name their own roads. You just need a majority vote for it by the property owners on the road and you can name it. There is a restriction of 10 years per naming of a road so you can't just keep changing it. That being said, the County has the ultimate authority in naming so they can override names. This authority is usually used when the road name is already being used elsewhere in most cases. This is to keep duplication from happening causing issues with 911 services.

There was this one road that didn't have a name so it was petitioned to be named by the property owners and it got nasty. They fought and fought over it and it eventually was taken to court. It got nasty in court as well and the judge had heard enough of it and finally overruled them both and told them that all this stops now. And he personally named the road, "Quarrels End".

Beaudreaux · Aug 7, 2017

poweRob said:
I thought I'd share this. It's talked about in my office where I work and the old timers remember it quite well. Basically here in Santa Fe County, people can name their own roads. You just need a majority vote for it by the property owners on the road and you can name it. There is a restriction of 10 years per naming of a road so you can't just keep changing it. That being said, the County has the ultimate authority in naming so they can override names. This authority is usually used when the road name is already being used elsewhere in most cases. This is to keep duplication from happening causing issues with 911 services.

There was this one road that didn't have a name so it was petitioned to be named by the property owners and it got nasty. They fought and fought over it and it eventually was taken to court. It got nasty in court as well and the judge had heard enough of it and finally overruled them both and told them that all this stops now. And he personally named the road, "Quarrels End".

We have the same ability to name roads here in NC. Cute story, BTW.

poweRob · Aug 7, 2017

Beaudreaux said:
We have the same ability to name roads here in NC. Cute story, BTW.

My office has to do with naming of roads when it happens. I'm not in the public works division that makes the signs but Im in the field a lot and when I come across downed or damaged signs I report it to public works to get fixed. The more cutesy the name, the more likely it will be missing.

Braveheart Rd
Bobcat Crossing
Bobcat Trl
Ghostrider Gulch

I've had to report all these missing. The post is there, and the hardware to hold the sign... but the sign's missing. :lol:

I'm waiting to have to report "Notorious Way" and "Goa Way" missing.

Indian Giver · Aug 7, 2017

There are (or were) strict rules in place about changing street names in Portland.

Several years ago, that land of tree huggers decided it wanted to have an all CIVUL RITES INTUHSECTION - and it didn't want anyone to tell them no.

Procedure was supposed to allow for a vote initiated by the impacted citizens (you know so they get a choice in whether to change their street and mailing address).

The city leaders weren't having any of that, so they ignored their own rules and decided it by City Council vote.

Portland Boulevard became Rosa Parks Way.

It intersects with Martin Luther King Jr. Boulevard.

The city code has an entire section dedicated to renaming streets. There are two ways to do it: a long, involved citizen-initiated process, or a quick city council vote that can only be used in limited circumstances.

The citizen-initiated process involves filing an application with the city, gathering 2,500 signatures (or signatures from 75 percent of the street's property owners), assembling a biography of the honoree, paying a fee to notify neighbors, running the idea past a panel of historians, going before the city's planning commission, and—finally—swaying the city council.

Additionally, there are criteria for who a street can be renamed after. It must be a real, "prominent" person who has made a "significant, positive contribution to the United States of America and/or the local community." The person has to have been deceased for at least five years.

The other way to change a street name is via a city council vote. But according to city code, the council is only allowed to change a street name to "to correct errors in street names, or to eliminate confusion." In fact, the city code is very clear that the council cannot take it upon themselves to rename a street to honor a person: "Renaming of a street by the city under provisions of this paragraph shall not be undertaken to rename a street after a person."

A Street By Any Other Name - News - Portland Mercury

Beaudreaux · Aug 7, 2017

poweRob said:
My office has to do with naming of roads when it happens. I'm not in the public works division that makes the signs but Im in the field a lot and when I come across downed or damaged signs I report it to public works to get fixed. The more cutesy the name, the more likely it will be missing.

Braveheart Rd
Bobcat Crossing
Bobcat Trl
Ghostrider Gulch

I've had to report all these missing. The post is there, and the hardware to hold the sign... but the sign's missing. :lol:

I'm waiting to have to report "Notorious Way" and "Goa Way" missing.

I don't have anything as interesting as those, but these are right down the road from me: Around where I live there are lots of Copperhead snakes and infuriating Kudzu growing wild. In fact, if you see kudzu there will invariably be numerous copperheads underneath it looking for rodents to eat.

Here's what a typical local redneck around here names the streets that he and his family live on, so he can remember the names: Copperhead Drive and Kudzu Lane - Google Map

Lutherf · Aug 7, 2017

poweRob said:
My office has to do with naming of roads when it happens. I'm not in the public works division that makes the signs but Im in the field a lot and when I come across downed or damaged signs I report it to public works to get fixed. The more cutesy the name, the more likely it will be missing.

Braveheart Rd
Bobcat Crossing
Bobcat Trl
Ghostrider Gulch

I've had to report all these missing. The post is there, and the hardware to hold the sign... but the sign's missing. :lol:

I'm waiting to have to report "Notorious Way" and "Goa Way" missing.

Goa Way. I like that!

You need Kurdzan Way, Decimal Place, and Kangaroo Court.

poweRob · Aug 7, 2017

Lutherf said:
Goa Way. I like that!

You need Kurdzan Way, Decimal Place, and Kangaroo Court.

Those are awesome. I may pass these up the chain for when we have to force the issue naming a road here.

There a lot of spanish road names here that are clever as well.

Camino No Es. (There is No Road)
Vereda Mata Coches. (Car Killer Road)

And some Spanglish names.

Yippee Calle. (Pronounced yippee ki-yay) Calle means street or road.

poweRob · Aug 7, 2017

Beaudreaux said:
I don't have anything as interesting as those, but these are right down the road from me: Around where I live there are lots of Copperhead snakes and infuriating Kudzu growing wild. In fact, if you see kudzu there will invariably be numerous copperheads underneath it looking for rodents to eat.

Here's what a typical local redneck around here names the streets that he and his family live on, so he can remember the names: Copperhead Drive and Kudzu Lane - Google Map

We are having an issue out here in that there are 7 seperate indian pueblos in our county. They don't abide by local or state law but they do answer to federal law though.

But we coordinate with them to make road signs in their areas and coordinating emergency services. The native language used by them is called Tewa. It is an oral language and not written so they are trying their best to record their language and write it down so that it doesn't die. Their roads had been names like "NP 101". NP stands for Northern Peublo which is what the collective of the pueblos are called.

They took to renaming all their roads Tewa names as an effort to stimulate it's usage. Now they are changing them all again away from Tewa names because when people call for an ambulance they can't spell it and it was causing emergency response issues. So they are going to pick more anglo names I believe. They are still holding meetings at the pueblos on what their next step is.

One road I can recall is called "Tsay Shu Pin Bugeh". I talked to the guy who lives there and he told me what it meant. He has a common name like John or James or something like that but folks out there also, (sometimes) have and Indian name. Tsay Shu Pin is the guys Indian name and Bugeh means "place". So it means Tsay Shu Pin's place.

Linc · Aug 7, 2017

poweRob said:
We are having an issue out here in that there are 7 seperate indian pueblos in our county. They don't abide by local or state law they do answer to federal law though. But we coordinate with them to make road signs in their areas. The native language used by them is called Tewa. It is an oral language and not written so they are trying their best to record their language and write it down so that it doesn't die. Their roads had been names like "NP 101". NP stands for Northern Peublo. They took to renaming all their roads Tewa names as an effort to stimulate it's usage. Now they are changing them all again away from Tewa names because when people call for an ambulance they can't spell it and it was causing emergency response issues. So they are going to pick more anglo names I believe. They are still holding meetings at the pueblos on what their next step is.

One road I can recall is called "Tsay Shu Pin Bugeh".I talked to the guy and he told me what it meand. He has a common name like John or James or something like that but folks out there also, (sometimes) have and Indian name. Tsay Shu Pin is a guys Indian name and Bugeh means "place". So it means Tsay Shu Pin's place.

I'm looking forward to doing a solo trip to your Enchanted Circle once Yes Ma'am goes back to teaching next week. It's one of the most underrated drives in America. I also love the Sangre de Cristos east of your Albuquerque. Probably connect the trip to the western side of the Wasatch, the high Uintahs and the Flaming Gorge area in northern Utah.

Until folks east of the Mississippi go West, they really don't have a clue as to the Native American history. It isn't pretty for most Americans to learn what the USA did to NAs.

poweRob · Aug 7, 2017

NIMBY said:
I'm looking forward to doing a solo trip to your Enchanted Circle once Yes Ma'am goes back to teaching next week. It's one of the most underrated drives in America. I also love the Sangre de Cristos east of your Albuquerque. Probably connect the trip to the western side of the Wasatch, the high Uintahs and the Flaming Gorge area in northern Utah.

Until folks east of the Mississippi go West, they really don't have a clue as to the Native American history. It isn't pretty for most Americans to learn what the USA did to NAs.

The Sangre de Cristos are to the East of Santa Fe. It's Sandia Mountain that is to the East of Albuquerque. That mountain has (or had) the worlds 2nd longest tramway ride. Takes you to the top. Restaurant up there and some keen views.

If you are in the area just let me know through here and I'll show you some sites.

Linc · Aug 7, 2017

poweRob said:
The Sangre de Cristos are to the East of Santa Fe. It's Sandia Mountain that is to the East of Albuquerque. That mountain has (or had) the worlds 2nd longest tramway ride. Takes you to the top. Restaurant up there and some keen views.

If you are in the area just let me know through here and I'll show you some sites.

Right you are. I normally check, but didn't this time. We've done that tram but stupidly hiked down. What a knee-jarring mistake that was.

Of all the state symbols, my favorite far and away is your ZIA, a great teaching moment for HS kids when we had 'down' time .

poweRob · Aug 7, 2017

NIMBY said:
Right you are. I normally check, but didn't this time. We've done that tram but stupidly hiked down. What a knee-jarring mistake that was.

Of all the state symbols, my favorite far and away is your axis, a great teaching moment for HS kids when we had 'down' time .

It's called a Zia. Symbol of the sun.

Slingshot Bob · Aug 7, 2017

poweRob said:
My office has to do with naming of roads when it happens. I'm not in the public works division that makes the signs but Im in the field a lot and when I come across downed or damaged signs I report it to public works to get fixed. The more cutesy the name, the more likely it will be missing.

Braveheart Rd
Bobcat Crossing
Bobcat Trl
Ghostrider Gulch

I've had to report all these missing. The post is there, and the hardware to hold the sign... but the sign's missing. :lol:

I'm waiting to have to report "Notorious Way" and "Goa Way" missing.

They have some specialized fastners here that make removal difficult, but if the sign is out in the county, it may not be missing but it will be shot full of holes. Not that I would EVER do that!

poweRob · Aug 7, 2017

Slingshot Bob said:
They have some specialized fastners here that make removal difficult, but if the sign is out in the county, it may not be missing but it will be shot full of holes. Not that I would EVER do that!

Yeah it gets rather rural out here. Here's one I had to report to public works that was out in the booneys.

Linc · Aug 7, 2017

poweRob said:
It's called a Zia. Symbol of the sun.

My iPhone is acting up today. The 4 by 4 lines on the Zia are awesome. The 4-corner states are awesome. The triangle of ID, WY, and MT are awesome. The Cascade states are awesome. I once drove over 1,100 miles home in one stretch from northeast NM home. I think it was camp at Capulin, not sure now.

You're close to the Black Canyon of the Gunnison; we first went when it was a National Monument, had to drive through a cattle drive to get there. North wall straight down and IN at an angle dropping 2,700 feet; no guard rails at the time.

Now it's a National Park with camping on the slopey south side. Great drive west through an 11,000+ pass to get there. Highly recommend it, along with the whole San Juan mountain loop including Ouray to Silverton down to Durango and around to Cortez, Mesa Verde, and up to Telluride .

Slingshot Bob · Aug 7, 2017

poweRob said:
Yeah it gets rather rural out here. Here's one I had to report to public works that was out in the booneys.

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Hard to tell, close range bird shot? 12 gauge slugs and some smaller calibers? So it aint just southern rednecks who have the ocassional target practice? I bet DOT just loves that :lol:

poweRob · Aug 7, 2017

NIMBY said:
My iPhone is acting up today. The 4 by 4 lines on the Zia are awesome. The 4-corner states are awesome. The triangle of ID, WY, and MT are awesome. The Cascade states are awesome. I once drove over 1,100 miles home in one stretch from northeast NM home. I think it was camp at Capulin, not sure now.

You're close to the Black Canyon of the Gunnison; we first went when it was a National Monument, had to drive through a cattle drive to get there. North wall straight down and IN at an angle dropping 2,700 feet; no guard rails at the time.

Now it's a National Park with camping on the slopey south side. Great drive west through an 11,000+ pass to get there. Highly recommend it, along with the whole San Juan mountain loop including Ouray to Silverton down to Durango and around to Cortez, Mesa Verde, and up to Telluride .

If you want a pretty drive, go through Chama, NM on the way from or to Durango, Co. It's a nice drive. Went through there a few months back and there was a cattle drive going down the road there.

poweRob · Aug 7, 2017

Slingshot Bob said:
Hard to tell, close range bird shot? 12 gauge slugs and some smaller calibers? So it aint just southern rednecks who have the ocassional target practice? I bet DOT just loves that :lol:

I'm guessing birdshot with the barrel right on it. Except the middle shot. Being that the middle shot looks like bird shot I doubt they reloaded with slugs.

Slingshot Bob · Aug 7, 2017

poweRob said:
I'm guessing birdshot with the barrel right on it. Except the middle shot. Being that the middle shot looks like bird shot I doubt they reloaded with slugs.

Being right up on a sign like that is asking for the Darwin award

poweRob · Aug 7, 2017

Slingshot Bob said:
Being right up on a sign like that is asking for the Darwin award

That's what I was thinking. Could be slug but... I dunno. I'm sure beer was involved.

Perotista · Aug 7, 2017

poweRob said:
I thought I'd share this. It's talked about in my office where I work and the old timers remember it quite well. Basically here in Santa Fe County, people can name their own roads. You just need a majority vote for it by the property owners on the road and you can name it. There is a restriction of 10 years per naming of a road so you can't just keep changing it. That being said, the County has the ultimate authority in naming so they can override names. This authority is usually used when the road name is already being used elsewhere in most cases. This is to keep duplication from happening causing issues with 911 services.

There was this one road that didn't have a name so it was petitioned to be named by the property owners and it got nasty. They fought and fought over it and it eventually was taken to court. It got nasty in court as well and the judge had heard enough of it and finally overruled them both and told them that all this stops now. And he personally named the road, "Quarrels End".

I like it.

Linc · Aug 7, 2017

poweRob said:
If you want a pretty drive, go through Chama, NM on the way from or to Durango, Co. It's a nice drive. Went through there a few months back and there was a cattle drive going down the road there.

Just Googled it. From the Flaming Gorge in far NE Utah, there's a great drive to Grand Junction using 191 to Vernal, 40 to 64 to Rangely and 139 to I-70. From there it's 50 to 550 to 160 to 84 to 64 to your Chama and then down to the Enchanted Circle .

poweRob · Aug 7, 2017

NIMBY said:
Just Googled it. From the Flaming Gorge in far NE Utah, there's a great drive to Grand Junction using 191 to Vernal, 40 to 64 to Rangely and 139 to I-70. From there it's 50 to 550 to 160 to 84 to 64 to your Chama and then down to the Enchanted Circle .

Chama is the beginning of a small guage railroad ride with a steam engine from the early 1800's. It goes to Antonito, Co. It's a nice scenic ride if you wanted to layover there for something to do.

Cumbres & Toltec

Linc · Aug 7, 2017

poweRob said:
Chama is the beginning of a small guage railroad ride with a steam engine from the early 1800's. It goes to Antonito, Co. It's a nice scenic ride if you wanted to layover there for something to do.

Cumbres & Toltec

Another cool drive is from Trinidad to Raton through the Raton pass on I-25. I'll probably take I-70 out just to go through the Eisenhower tunnel and Glenwood Canyon for the thrills. I first went through Glenwood Canyon in 1973 when it was still 2-lane U. S. 6; building it seemed one mile a year through the Canyon.

I was on the way to Vernal, after my sophomore year in College, with my Millwright buddies who were wildcatting out of Vernal. Had to BYOB since Utah only sold near beer unless you belonged to a club. Back then, you could only get Coors west of the Mississippi ...

Middleground · Aug 7, 2017

I'm still waiting for the first Streety McStreetface.

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