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British Columbia Burns more than 14,000 people homeless

And more.

This is the greatest single disaster for British Columbia. I may be wrong but I believe some 20 million hectares of forest are in blaze, at least five towns destroyed and they still don't have any idea how to stop it. Quote from the guy who put the last big one down "I've never seen one with this kind of attitude. I doubt anyone has ever seen a fire move this fast."
One report last night a woman was saying her husband asked her "should we leave?" and before she could answer a wall of fire engulfed the rear of their home where the heating oil tank was. They got out with the clothes on their back and a box of pampers for the baby.

The small town of Ashcroft is gone:



Cities as far away as Edmonton, Alberta are on air quality alert from the smoke.

The army has arrived, and we will do what we do best, but we're not going to stop this ****er without God and nature. The temps are in the 80's on the ground, 60's up on the mountain sides creating heavy localized winds, 50 to 60 mph, and just for good measure the core of the fire is so hot it is creating it's own climate.

Words cannot express how tragic this is. I'm so very sorry. I've lived through many wildfires; they are terrifying. One this massive is nearly incomprehensible. My condolences to you and all the Canadian people.
 
..or you can thin the stands to a spacing over 15'. The bug that's killing your trees is 1st cousin to the Western Pine Beetle. Both have a "flight limitation" of about 15'. Once they hit about that limit, they hit the ground and have to get some altitude to fly again. It's pretty rare that it happens, so thinning the stands to a 15' spacing works really well. The natural course of how a pine forest grows creates that spacing pretty naturally, but since we've taken fire out of the picture, we have to substitute thinning for burning (with "jackpot burns" you can get get both at the same time). This is what happens when bureaucrats and environmentalists start making decisions that professional foresters should be making.

Also, why don't Canadians and Californians use fire safe practices? This is from Marin County in California and it's spot on and yet every couple of years, Californians die in fires because they can't follow some simple rules: https://www.marincounty.org/~/media...nsible-space/marin-landscape-brochurerev2.pdf
Now we've got Canadians doing the same thing. It would be different if this was heavily forested areas, but this is pine forests and sage brush. Keep trees away from your home, dry material cleaned up, water at the ready (a big sprinkler on your roof will provide substantial protection from embers), keeping your lawn green instead of brown creates a natural low fire break. It's not that hard to do, but every year we have these massive evacuations because people aren't smart enough to take simple steps to keep their homes safe. Yeah, everyone wants a house hidden in the trees, but when you live in these kind of places, that's just plain stupid. Cut the pine trees back 40' from your house and create either a dead zone (nothing but dirt) or a green zone (nothing but green grass) around your home (or both - green up close and dead further out).



I'm sorry, but you have no clue what you're talking about. First it IS the Western Pine Beetle and your measures MIGHT have worked 35 years ago. You also seem to have a serious miss on the exact scope and terrain of the area, like mountain sides that go straight up and down, no roads for hundreds and hundreds of miles, nor do you seem to understand your plan would cost more than 10 years GDP

Two, what the **** do you mean "fire safe practices"? We already fine your ass over $1,200 for throwing a cigarette out the car window, ban campfires and in dry times likes these no open camp stoves. For your information 85% of these fires were lighting strike, most of the others were spontaneous combustion. The rest were created by the 'children' they make along the way, red hot flying debris from exploding cedar trees carry several meters and start their own family. You don't seem to realize these Godzilla fires create their own climate, burn so hot 40% of the water dropped on it turns to steam before it hits. They create their own winds, often gale force because of the heat and cold air rushing in and they create their own lightening.

Nor do you realize, and I wouldn't expect you to that these monsters have attitude; everyone who fought the Barrier fires in '07 said she was an angry fire...this one it is being said "is just plain evil".

Thirdly, California, Colorado, Wyoming, Oregon, Idaho, Alaska, Alberta and BC are part of a network, where they train together, exchange new information and often join other jurisdictions in help fighting it. So, you can get the Canada-America thing and shove it, when it comes to fighting monster wild fires we are one, all using the same techniques. There are Americans at these fires you can bet, if for nothing else than to learn.

In closing, this is a result of bad politics. When a big part of Yellowstone Park burned in the 1960's, they allowed to grow back naturally where they discovered a lot more about forests and the Apex-Emergent relationship. But, buried in the back pages was a warning from three men, American and Canadian [I don't remember the ratio] who warned that the current forestry policy of putting out fires was in fact creating a monster down the road.
Forests need the cold and the fire kill to stay "alive" in the forest sense as in 1,000 years plus, it gets rid of the underbrush, kills off bark beetles and other pests and adds much needed potash to the accumulating carbon-nitrogenic waste. Their report stated that unless a new policy was established there was danger of monster fires.
The policy was eventually adopted by Alaska and BC, but far too late and we have Pine Beetle, Monster Fires and an unhealthy forest as a result.
 
I'm sorry, but you have no clue what you're talking about. First it IS the Western Pine Beetle and your measures MIGHT have worked 35 years ago. You also seem to have a serious miss on the exact scope and terrain of the area, like mountain sides that go straight up and down, no roads for hundreds and hundreds of miles, nor do you seem to understand your plan would cost more than 10 years GDP

Two, what the **** do you mean "fire safe practices"? We already fine your ass over $1,200 for throwing a cigarette out the car window, ban campfires and in dry times likes these no open camp stoves. For your information 85% of these fires were lighting strike, most of the others were spontaneous combustion. The rest were created by the 'children' they make along the way, red hot flying debris from exploding cedar trees carry several meters and start their own family. You don't seem to realize these Godzilla fires create their own climate, burn so hot 40% of the water dropped on it turns to steam before it hits. They create their own winds, often gale force because of the heat and cold air rushing in and they create their own lightening.

Nor do you realize, and I wouldn't expect you to that these monsters have attitude; everyone who fought the Barrier fires in '07 said she was an angry fire...this one it is being said "is just plain evil".

Thirdly, California, Colorado, Wyoming, Oregon, Idaho, Alaska, Alberta and BC are part of a network, where they train together, exchange new information and often join other jurisdictions in help fighting it. So, you can get the Canada-America thing and shove it, when it comes to fighting monster wild fires we are one, all using the same techniques. There are Americans at these fires you can bet, if for nothing else than to learn.

In closing, this is a result of bad politics. When a big part of Yellowstone Park burned in the 1960's, they allowed to grow back naturally where they discovered a lot more about forests and the Apex-Emergent relationship. But, buried in the back pages was a warning from three men, American and Canadian [I don't remember the ratio] who warned that the current forestry policy of putting out fires was in fact creating a monster down the road.
Forests need the cold and the fire kill to stay "alive" in the forest sense as in 1,000 years plus, it gets rid of the underbrush, kills off bark beetles and other pests and adds much needed potash to the accumulating carbon-nitrogenic waste. Their report stated that unless a new policy was established there was danger of monster fires.
The policy was eventually adopted by Alaska and BC, but far too late and we have Pine Beetle, Monster Fires and an unhealthy forest as a result.

Easy there, my Canadian friend. Stop and pick up something at Timmy's and relax a bit.

The post I was replying to mentioned an Asian beetle. There is an Asian beetle that is very similar to the WPB (we call them "Bark Beetles"), so I was assuming that BC had the Asian variety based on the previous post. I'm VERY familiar with the WPB and the ecology of the pine forests it loves to destroy. The area I live in was about 70-80% dead standing about 15 years ago and we've gotten it cleaned up pretty well (so well that commercial wood cutters are having to bring in logs from 150 -200 miles away).

"Fire Safe Practices" are home protection (Did you open the link I provided?) practices. It's pretty much de riguer around here when you live anywhere close to rural. Not everyone follows them, but most do. So when I start hearing about loss of home, I shake my head sadly, since there are steps that can be taken that will save your home. Having a defensible space around your home in an area that has the high fire risk that you are describing should be common sense, but people just love to have all those nice big trees in their front yard, all those bushes planted next to their house and those pretty cedar shingle roofs.

Smart logging practices can mimic the natural progression that you are referring to. With semi-arid pine forests like the ones we both live in, it's done through selective harvest and jackpot burns. Done correctly (as almost all domestic timber cos. do with their private timber), it produces healthy, fire-resistant stands that produce consistent timber for building and jobs and a very nice revenue stream for the gov't. We used to fund most of our rural schools with timber receipts, making them some of the best in the country at the time, sadly that time has passed and communities like John Day, Oakridge and Burns/Hines have become pale shadows of what they once were.
 
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