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State Flags

beefheart said:
Actually.....America West took over USAirways. All the leadership was America West, the HQ was in Tempe, all the decisions were America West....which is why they were profitable. And now, most of that old AWA leadership is running American Airlines.

Cactus lives on!

Lets not forget these beauties:

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Thanks for the information on the merger. Did not know that since they branded thing with US Airways logo's.
To me there seems to be a real change after the merger and not for the good.

Found this on line:
"Beginning in January 2006, all America West flights were branded as US Airways, along with most signage at airports and other printed material, though many flights were described as "operated by America West."
In the second quarter of 2005, America West entered into merger negotiations with then-bankrupt US Airways. It was structured as a purchase of US Airways by America West Holdings Corporation; however, the internal structure was a reverse merger, with legacy US Airways operations taken over by those of America West.
 
Carjosse said:
I was listening to a podcast tonight and the topic of the US state flags came up, more specifically how horrible they are. I don't understand how you can have such an amazing national flag then all the states a handful of exceptions have boring or just plain ugly flags seemingly created by the most boring or drunk designers in history. What are your favourite and least favourite flags? How do you think they could be improved. In case you need a reference.

The Best:
Texas
New Mexico
California
Alaska

Horrible:
Every flag with a state seal or name of state

Dumpster Fire:
Maryland
Mississippi
Oregon, Oklahoma, Washington, and Wyoming are worse than the other seal based flags

Every other state is just kind of meh.

I think an effort to make them similarish and removing seals and names from the flags could go a long way.

Of course these are my opinions, what do you think?
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This life-long left coaster---I might be slightly biased--- thinks the California flag is the best.
That image of a mighty grizzly bear stomping around in the wide open spaces is evocative of a time and place long since gone.
Unfortunately, all California grizzlies were hunted into extinction 100 years ago.
Too bad.
 
Common Sense 1 said:
Thanks for the information on the merger. Did not know that since they branded thing with US Airways logo's.
To me there seems to be a real change after the merger and not for the good.

Found this on line:
"Beginning in January 2006, all America West flights were branded as US Airways, along with most signage at airports and other printed material, though many flights were described as "operated by America West."
In the second quarter of 2005, America West entered into merger negotiations with then-bankrupt US Airways. It was structured as a purchase of US Airways by America West Holdings Corporation; however, the internal structure was a reverse merger, with legacy US Airways operations taken over by those of America West.
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It was a sad thing. As soon as America West began assuring everyone in Arizona that the merger would mean nothing negative to the people of Arizona I knew the fix was in. Oh, it's going to be bigger and better they said. You won't notice the change other than more available flights, they said. Within a year they began moving staff out of state. Later Phoenix became a hub - less flights. Then there was the merger with American. Less friendly and even fewer flights. Now that there is less competition flight choices are often worse and on some routes much more expensive. Phoenix is now a connecting hub for flights to and from LAX, Burbank and San Diego.
 
Carjosse said:
I was listening to a podcast tonight and the topic of the US state flags came up, more specifically how horrible they are. I don't understand how you can have such an amazing national flag then all the states a handful of exceptions have boring or just plain ugly flags seemingly created by the most boring or drunk designers in history. What are your favourite and least favourite flags? How do you think they could be improved. In case you need a reference.

The Best:
Texas
New Mexico
California
Alaska

Horrible:
Every flag with a state seal or name of state

Dumpster Fire:
Maryland
Mississippi
Oregon, Oklahoma, Washington, and Wyoming are worse than the other seal based flags

Every other state is just kind of meh.

I think an effort to make them similarish and removing seals and names from the flags could go a long way.

Of course these are my opinions, what do you think?
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Speaking for the entire state of Oregon: Bite me!! :mrgreen:
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It's simple, states who we are and is TWO-SIDED. I love my state flag!
 
Porkuloss said:
Spent a lot of time living there, and I like that one too. It's a little too coat-of-arms-ish, but the colors bail it out. I'd really have to study the whole assortment to give an educated opinion.

I love Hawaii, but that inverted union jack is just dumb looking.
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Inverted? I just checked...

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and it looks right to me.
 
faithful_servant said:
When Canada picked the beaver, it was out of jealousy for our State animal. They saw what we had and couldn't stand it.
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I was fishing near Gold River on Vancouver Island and I saw stumps chewed off about 3 feet high. A few nervous shoulder-checks later, I realized the beaver was standing on 2 feet of snow when he chewed them off.
 
faithful_servant said:
Speaking for the entire state of Oregon: Bite me!! :mrgreen:
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It's simple, states who we are and is TWO-SIDED. I love my state flag!
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The flag would be great if it was just the reverse side but front just ruins it. Everything about the front in horrible. The reverse side is simple, clean, symbolic, yet readily recognizable.
 
Porkuloss said:
Spent a lot of time living there, and I like that one too. It's a little too coat-of-arms-ish, but the colors bail it out. I'd really have to study the whole assortment to give an educated opinion.

I love Hawaii, but that inverted union jack is just dumb looking.
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It is not inverted that is the union flag:
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Grand Mal said:
I was fishing near Gold River on Vancouver Island and I saw stumps chewed off about 3 feet high. A few nervous shoulder-checks later, I realized the beaver was standing on 2 feet of snow when he chewed them off.
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That's what they want you to think.
 
beefheart said:
It is copper for a reason. Copper is one of the 5 "C"'s that created the state of Arizona.

Copper, cattle, cotton, citrus and climate. These "Five C's" were the core of Arizona's economy when it first became a state.
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For some strange reason I knew that. Even though it is one of few states I have never been, never read about it outside of Elmore Leonard westerns, cannot tell you the name of but ONE city - Flagstaff - and I don't know why I remember that.

But odd is the mind; the one thing my mind keep for nearly 7 decades is why the flag has four colors.
 
Grand Mal said:
I was fishing near Gold River on Vancouver Island and I saw stumps chewed off about 3 feet high. A few nervous shoulder-checks later, I realized the beaver was standing on 2 feet of snow when he chewed them off.
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If you ever get the chance to see them move into new real estate and start construction. The dam is first, then the house, but it's design is based on what tributaries will rise allowing them access to what food.

In Regina I watched this family build a dam, take down trees I would need a chain saw for before August. The city destroyed it before winter...I think the Beaver's died as they had no home.
 
Carjosse said:
I was listening to a podcast tonight and the topic of the US state flags came up, more specifically how horrible they are. I don't understand how you can have such an amazing national flag then all the states a handful of exceptions have boring or just plain ugly flags seemingly created by the most boring or drunk designers in history. What are your favourite and least favourite flags? How do you think they could be improved. In case you need a reference.

The Best:
Texas
New Mexico
California
Alaska

Horrible:
Every flag with a state seal or name of state

Dumpster Fire:
Maryland
Mississippi
Oregon, Oklahoma, Washington and Wyoming are worse than the other seal based flags

Every other state is just kind of meh.

I think an effort to make them similarish and removing seals and names from the flags could go a long way.

Of course these are my opinions, what do you think?
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I don't mean to brag but I'm kind of proud of the seal emblem flag when I see the flag of my beloved State of Washington I swell with pride, feel the sand under my feet in Grayland on the Pacific Coast, the rush of the wind through the Columbia gorge, I see cascade majesties above the fruited valleys of Wenatchee or the Skagit, the run of the salmon up the Hoh river, the clam beds of the hood canal and like the founders of our state at the second constitution in Olympia I feel gratitude to the Supreme ruler of the universe for our liberties (that's actually in our state constitution).

On second Thought I do mean to brag, because I'm mighty proud that seal emblem flag....


And besides our seal symbolizes the patriotism of our forebears who selected to name our territory after the father of our country, some people's countries were apparently sired by a maple tree, but our state has deeper meaning (kidding I'm just joking on that last one)

However I will say British Columbias flag is cooler then the Canadian flag...
 
EMNofSeattle said:
I don't mean to brag but I'm kind of proud of the seal emblem flag when I see the flag of my beloved State of Washington I swell with pride, feel the sand under my feet in Grayland on the Pacific Coast, the rush of the wind through the Columbia gorge, I see cascade majesties above the fruited valleys of Wenatchee or the Skagit, the run of the salmon up the Hoh river, the clam beds of the hood canal and like the founders of our state at the second constitution in Olympia I feel gratitude to the Supreme ruler of the universe for our liberties (that's actually in our state constitution).

On second Thought I do mean to brag, because I'm mighty proud that seal emblem flag....


And besides our seal symbolizes the patriotism of our forebears who selected to name our territory after the father of our country, some people's countries were apparently sired by a maple tree, but our state has deeper meaning (kidding I'm just joking on that last one)

However I will say British Columbias flag is cooler then the Canadian flag...
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I don't see why you have to use the boring seal, wouldn't a flag symbolizing all that be better, and more inspired. A good flag should not have to have a seal or name on it, it should be simple and easily recognizable as the state of Washington. What would you think of a flag like this:
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Carjosse said:
I don't see why you have to use the boring seal, wouldn't a flag symbolizing all that be better, and more inspired. A good flag should not have to have a seal or name on it, it should be simple and easily recognizable as the state of Washington. What would you think of a flag like this:
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Meh I like the one we have. It's simple and recognizable. I do not like the emblem you posted for the same reason I do not like our default license plates which feature Mt Ranier, because the emblem seems to glorify only a small portion of the state, it looks western centric. The art depicts mountains and I would infer coastline. But no depiction of Eastern WA or our peninsulas (I grew up on the Kitsap Peninsula) whereas the seal represents and depicts all of us.

Like BC license plates say "beautiful British Columbia" and have just the BC emblem, so it depicts everyone in BC, I think our statewide emblems should avoid showing regional favoritism
 
Henrin said:
Maryland's government acts like they are on Acid, so it fits.
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Lived there and that's true. But now I live in FL, where we have a world class white collar criminal for a governor, and the state legislature is world class dumb. Trump bought our chief "law enforcement officer".

I could not care less about flags. Let's debate album covers before they go extinct.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Meh I like the one we have. It's simple and recognizable. I do not like the emblem you posted for the same reason I do not like our default license plates which feature Mt Ranier, because the emblem seems to glorify only a small portion of the state, it looks western centric. The art depicts mountains and I would infer coastline. But no depiction of Eastern WA or our peninsulas (I grew up on the Kitsap Peninsula) whereas the seal represents and depicts all of us.

Like BC license plates say "beautiful British Columbia" and have just the BC emblem, so it depicts everyone in BC, I think our statewide emblems should avoid showing regional favoritism
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That is where I think seals fail, they don't really have much symbolism or representation. Like if I knew nothing about Washington state, I could not infer anything from your flag or seal other than maybe you were affiliated with Libya at some point. Like if I showed you this flag it would mean nothing and not symbolize anything:
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Carjosse said:
That is where I think seals fail, they don't really have much symbolism or representation. Like if I knew nothing about Washington state, I could not infer anything from your flag or seal other than maybe you were affiliated with Libya at some point. Like if I showed you this flag it would mean nothing and not symbolize anything:
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All emblems require context to understand. The flag is simply a visual representation of our state government, it is not intended to be educational about the state

If you did not know the significance of the color green in Islam Libya's flag makes less sense, in context it is a perfectly representational emblem of a majority moslem nation
 
PHX ain't going anywhere for a while.
 
Fearandloathing said:
For some strange reason I knew that. Even though it is one of few states I have never been, never read about it outside of Elmore Leonard westerns, cannot tell you the name of but ONE city - Flagstaff - and I don't know why I remember that.

But odd is the mind; the one thing my mind keep for nearly 7 decades is why the flag has four colors.
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I drove 2.5 hours down to Karchtner Caverns today, amazing wet cave, discovered in 1974, kept a secret until they got it protected as a state park in 88. There is a 60 foot tall column of stalagmite meeting stalagtite in there that took 14000 years to build. Just awesome.
 
Common Sense 1 said:
Thanks for the information on the merger. Did not know that since they branded thing with US Airways logo's.
To me there seems to be a real change after the merger and not for the good.

Found this on line:
"Beginning in January 2006, all America West flights were branded as US Airways, along with most signage at airports and other printed material, though many flights were described as "operated by America West."
In the second quarter of 2005, America West entered into merger negotiations with then-bankrupt US Airways. It was structured as a purchase of US Airways by America West Holdings Corporation; however, the internal structure was a reverse merger, with legacy US Airways operations taken over by those of America West.
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They kept the USAirways name as it was a more international brand. The ceo admitted they should have made a new name. AWA runs American now. We were the little airline that could....and did.
 
Risky Thicket said:
It was a sad thing. As soon as America West began assuring everyone in Arizona that the merger would mean nothing negative to the people of Arizona I knew the fix was in. Oh, it's going to be bigger and better they said. You won't notice the change other than more available flights, they said. Within a year they began moving staff out of state. Later Phoenix became a hub - less flights. Then there was the merger with American. Less friendly and even fewer flights. Now that there is less competition flight choices are often worse and on some routes much more expensive. Phoenix is now a connecting hub for flights to and from LAX, Burbank and San Diego.
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And SEA, PDX, HNL, LIH, KOA, OGG, and dozens of other cities across the country (JFK, MIA, CLT, ORD, EWR, LGA, ATL, MCO, TPA, MCI, DFW, AUS, ANC, BOI, GEG, SNA, ONT, SLC, ELP, BOS, SJO, PVT, SJD, MZT, ABQ, TUS, ICT, DSM, MSP, and many more that I have forgotten)
 
Risky Thicket said:
Cruel bastards behind the façade of airborne Arizona cheerfulness. Shame! Shame!

As it turns out I am in the middle of filing a complaint with American Airlines. I misspelled America West. American Airlines is all about cramming butts in seats and any pleasure given is incidental, not intentional.

Do I ever miss the days when flying was not the same as taking a Trailways bus. They've simply take the bus people and put them on planes. Rude, farty and dressed like Walmart shoppers at 2 AM.
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I have a quick 1.5 day trip to AUS on monday on AA. They made me gold for the rest of the year, sure beats non-revving.
 
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