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CNN guest calls CNN fake news

Good call MaggieD. What Lemon misses is that while his numbers on what it costs to protect the President and his family may (or may not) be accurate, this really isn't news. He puts this guy on with three other individuals that all agree with Lemon's fake news and they all talk over the one guy that calls him on it. Just about when the one person who doesn't agree with him is about to make his point, Lemon cuts him off. So much for an unbiased CNN. But no surprise to me.

You should keep reading: https://www.debatepolitics.com/off-...-fake-news-post1066902772.html#post1066902772
 
NO Maggie - the guy was wrong - dead wrong. This entire FAKE NEWS - something which I am very sad to say you have bought into lock stock and barrel as part of your Trump support - is a barrel of bull crap that reeks more than the original stuff itself. Its false on its face and is simply a weapon Trump and the far right are using to attempt to delegitimize the press who they see as their enemy.

There is nothing wrong with panels of people giving their opinion and editorializing if that is what we know they are doing and what they are there for. Jeffrey Lord does this nearly every day on CNN and is probably one of the most effective apologists for Trump around today. I would never ever accuse him of putting forth FAKE NEWS as he is not trying to take falsehoods and lies and pretend they are real. He simply is giving the pro Trump position and I would never try to delegitimize his because of that.

Actually it's the MSM that made "fake news" a big deal. After the election they pissed and moaned about "fake news" and then proceeded to make every other story about Trump filled with lies exaggeration and bias. They're the ones who raised the alarm about fake news and then proceeded to engage in it.
 
Let's be honest. Fox is the true parent of fake news.
 
That's just the way they do it?? That format is NOT reporting news.

Where do you get the impression that a 24/7/365 news and information channel is only suppose to report news and not discuss it or talk about it?
 
It's really weird.

Host: Ok, we're going to open a discussion to our panel, now.

Trumpers: FAKE NEWS ! That's not reporting the news!! That's talking about it!! FAKE!



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That seems to be the mantra of the far right these days.
 
Actually it's the MSM that made "fake news" a big deal. After the election they pissed and moaned about "fake news" and then proceeded to make every other story about Trump filled with lies exaggeration and bias. They're the ones who raised the alarm about fake news and then proceeded to engage in it.

Can you give us some examples of the claim you make about the MSM and fake news and Trump?
 
Where do you get the impression that a 24/7/365 news and information channel is only suppose to report news and not discuss it or talk about it?

They can discuss it, opine on it, editorialize on it all they want. But that is not reporting news.
 
They can discuss it, opine on it, editorialize on it all they want. But that is not reporting news.

But that is what I asked you. Where do you get the impression that a 24/7/365 news and information channel is only suppose to report news and not discuss it or talk about it?
 

Quote Paperview: Pretty good bit here.

‘What stories are phony?’: Don Lemon nails GOP pundits when they can’t give ‘fake news’ examples
https://www.rawstory.com/2017/02/wha...news-examples/
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"But when host Don Lemon asked conservative panelists Paris Denard and Andrew Bauer to name the “phony stories” they had trouble coming up with them."


Really, they give three of them. "dumpster fire", Priebus versus Bannon, and Putin bromance. Even Lemon acquiesced that the Priebus/Bannon issue was fake news. He clung to the Putin bromance as if it were real news without any proof. He kept asking for more examples so that he could stump them on at least one of them and they eventually realized that trying to dissuade him was an impossible task as it is apparent that he confuses his liberal opinion with real news. You have made the same mistake.
 
looks to me like Don Lemon did his job. he didn't let the "fake news" dodge / talking point slide, and pinned down the guest on it pretty effectively.

Yes, he did his job. Silence any opposition to the leftist propaganda talking points. He did his job very effectively by not letting the opposing viewpoint even speak. Which is pretty typical of most leftists.
 
i assume that you and others in this thread feel the same way about Sean Hannity when he shouts down guests.

That is one reason I cannot watch shows like Hannity. The shout fests are extremely annoying. To be fair, the shouting down is usually started by the lib guests.
 
The reason I posted this is because the guy was a guest on the show and I found it amusing that their own GUEST thought the story was fake news. Had the host let him finish, I think he was making another kind of point. But he lost his cool and cut the guy off.

What they were talking about was not fake news in and of itself. But their panel was editorializing and opinionating. It was NOT broadcasting a news story. I'm fairly certain that's what the guy meant. Instead of the host flipping, he should have let his invited guest finish his thought.

Very poor host.

So what you're saying here is that "fake" can mean whatever the hell the dear leader's syncophants want it to mean? It's a definition-less word now?

"Fake" has a meaning. It means "not real." Conjucted with the news, as in "fake news," it means, as Lemon said, intentionally fake stories.

I agree with you that the panel was editorializing. But you know what? That's a legitimate form of journalism. It's a standard part of almost every free news organization on earth. Journalism is about disseminating information and stimulating democratic conversation. Making forums for editorializing accomplishes the latter goal. If that's what Dennard had a problem with, then he clearly just doesn't understand what the hell journalism is. If that's what you have a problem with, then you don't either.

Lemon did a perfectly good job of that, even making sure that Dennard got his chance to speak and giving him a completely neutral opening question.

It is not journalistically wrong to editorialize. The topic was the cost of protecting the Trump family, which is objectively rather high due to some of his travel habits. That is a fact. Then he asked the panel what they think could or should be done about that. There is nothing wrong with that at all.

A journalist has an obligation to call out lies whenever they become aware of them, and Dennard told a bald-faced lie. Lemon did his journalistic job by pointing out the lie, and then giving a true definition according to every damn dictionary in the English language. He then gave him another opportunity to stop lying, and he decided not to.

A journalist is under no obligation to continue entertaining -- and if anything, has a counter-obligation to dismiss -- someone who is doing nothing but lying to them. I certainly never wasted my time with people who lied to me when I was doing this job.

You are advocating that journalism needs to make equal time for lies as it does for truths. Ironically enough, you are advocating against democratic conversation, and for fake news.
 
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Can you give us some examples of the claim you make about the MSM and fake news and Trump?

Fake news became all too real over the weekend after a North Carolina man entered a Washington pizzeria with an assault rifle in an attempt to "self-investigate" a false but persistent conspiracy theory about Hillary Clinton.

NBC News apologized today for the way a 911 dispatcher’s conversation with George Zimmerman concerning Trayvon Martin was edited for broadcast last week. The edited version made it appear that the neighborhood watch captain’s decision to follow Martin in the Sanford, Fla., housing complex might have been racially motivated. Zimmerman subsequently shot the unarmed 17-year-old during a struggle

In October, a story claimed that "tens of thousands" of fraudulent ballots had been found in a warehouse in Ohio. The ballots had supposedly been cast for Hillary Clinton and were found inside sealed ballot boxes that would be counted alongside real election ballot boxes.
The story, first published online by the Christian Times Newspaper, was disproven by Snopes -- but not before it went viral.

A story claiming that Megyn Kelly was fired by Fox News began circulating in August. It said Kelly was allegedly let go after she endorsed Clinton, criticized Donald Trump and suffered a drop in ratings that placed her behind MSNBC's "The Rachel Maddow Show."
The story was traced to endingthefed.com and was proven to be false -- in fact, Fox News recently offered Kelly over $20 million a year to remain with the network.

The NBA did eventually move the 2017 All-Star Game out of North Carolina -- but not until July.
In April, a story surfaced that said the game was canceled in protest of North Carolina's anti-gay bathroom bill. It was published on a fake site posing as ABC News.
The fake story was picked up and reported by real news sites like Cleveland.com and NBC Sports' ProBasketballTalk. Eventually both sites issued corrections.

In March, a completely fabricated New York Times site published an article claiming that Elizabeth Warren was endorsing Bernie Sanders for president. The story copied the fonts and design of the New York Times, and even used the bylines of two of its political reporters.
The Times was forced to address the fake article and clarify that the site on which it appeared was fraudulent and in no way connected with the real Times.
The original fake article was shared to at least 700,000 people. The top source of the shared link was a Facebook page called "Bernie Sanders -- The Revolution Continues."

In November 2015, a story claimed that Milwaukee County Sheriff David A. Clarke had been exposed as a member of the Ku Klux Klan. The story about Clarke, who is African-American, was published by a website called the National Report, but eventually disproven.
Before the story was discredited, it was shared to more than 449,000 people. Comedian DL Hughley even posted the story on Twitter to his hundreds of thousands of followers.

More?
 
Can you give us some examples of the claim you make about the MSM and fake news and Trump?

Donald Trump never hung up on the Prime Minister of Australia

Donald Trump never threatened to send troops into Mexico

Donald Trump never instituted a "Muslim Ban".

I could go on and so a shall...

Steven Bannon did not fly in a plane to Florida to confront Flynn about DHS matters.

The 35 page "dossier" was full of false information.

Steve Mnuchin's bank never foreclosed on the home of a woman who owed 27 cents

The bust of Martin Luther King was never removed from the White House

There was never a "sudden massive exodus" of purged Secretary of State posts

Need I go on? As a matter of fact yes, I do...

The "Climate Change website was never removed from the White House website.

Donald Trump did not shut down a citizen line used to contact the White House

Neil Gorsuch's announcement was not set up as a prime-time contest via twitter
 
So what you're saying here is that "fake" can mean whatever the hell the dear leader's syncophants want it to mean? It's a definition-less word now?

"Fake" has a meaning. It means "not real." Conjucted with the news, as in "fake news," it means, as Lemon said, intentionally fake stories.

I agree with you that the panel was editorializing. But you know what? That's a legitimate form of journalism. It's a standard part of almost every free news organization on earth. Journalism is about disseminating information and stimulating democratic conversation. Making forums for editorializing accomplishes the latter goal.

It is not journalistically wrong to to editorialize. The topic was the cost of protecting the Trump family, which is objectively rather high due to some of his travel habits. That is a fact. Then he asked the panel what they think could or should be done about that. There is nothing wrong with that at all.

A journalist has an obligation to call out lies whenever they become aware of them, and Dennard told a bold-faced lie. He did his journalistic job by pointing out the lie, and then giving a true definition according to every damn dictionary in the English language. He then gave him another opportunity to stop lying, and he decided not to.

A journalist is under no obligation to continue entertaining -- and if anything, has a counter-obligation to dismiss -- someone who is doing nothing but lying to them. I certainly never wasted my time with people who lied to me when I was doing this job.

You are advocating that journalism needs to make equal time for lies as it does for truths. Ironically enough, you are advocating against democratic conversation, and for fake news.

I completely disagree with the gist of your post top to bottom. Journalism is not about entertaining. And if a journalist asks a question in an interview, it is unethical to cut off the interviewee because you don't agree.

While various existing codes [for journalism ethics] have some differences, most share common elements including the principles of—truthfulness, accuracy, objectivity, impartiality, fairness and public accountability—as these apply to the acquisition of newsworthy information and its subsequent dissemination to the public.
 
So what you're saying here is that "fake" can mean whatever the hell the dear leader's syncophants want it to mean? It's a definition-less word now?

"Fake" has a meaning. It means "not real." Conjucted with the news, as in "fake news," it means, as Lemon said, intentionally fake stories.

I agree with you that the panel was editorializing. But you know what? That's a legitimate form of journalism. It's a standard part of almost every free news organization on earth. Journalism is about disseminating information and stimulating democratic conversation. Making forums for editorializing accomplishes the latter goal. If that's what Dennard had a problem with, then he clearly just doesn't understand what the hell journalism is. If that's what you have a problem with, then you don't either.

Lemon did a perfectly good job of that, even making sure that Dennard got his chance to speak and giving him a completely neutral opening question.

It is not journalistically wrong to editorialize. The topic was the cost of protecting the Trump family, which is objectively rather high due to some of his travel habits. That is a fact. Then he asked the panel what they think could or should be done about that. There is nothing wrong with that at all.

A journalist has an obligation to call out lies whenever they become aware of them, and Dennard told a bald-faced lie. Lemon did his journalistic job by pointing out the lie, and then giving a true definition according to every damn dictionary in the English language. He then gave him another opportunity to stop lying, and he decided not to.

A journalist is under no obligation to continue entertaining -- and if anything, has a counter-obligation to dismiss -- someone who is doing nothing but lying to them. I certainly never wasted my time with people who lied to me when I was doing this job.

You are advocating that journalism needs to make equal time for lies as it does for truths. Ironically enough, you are advocating against democratic conversation, and for fake news.

I wish I could add more Like's to this post.

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Donald Trump never hung up on the Prime Minister of Australia

Donald Trump never threatened to send troops into Mexico

Donald Trump never instituted a "Muslim Ban".

I could go on and so a shall...

Steven Bannon did not fly in a plane to Florida to confront Flynn about DHS matters.

The 35 page "dossier" was full of false information.

Steve Mnuchin's bank never foreclosed on the home of a woman who owed 27 cents

The bust of Martin Luther King was never removed from the White House

There was never a "sudden massive exodus" of purged Secretary of State posts

Need I go on? As a matter of fact yes, I do...

The "Climate Change website was never removed from the White House website.

Donald Trump did not shut down a citizen line used to contact the White House

Neil Gorsuch's announcement was not set up as a prime-time contest via twitter

Well done.
 

Thank you Maggie. So the right wing has invented news stories and they are fake. Okay.

What does that have to do with Trump attacking NON right wing media centers for FAKE NEWS?
 
Donald Trump never hung up on the Prime Minister of Australia

Donald Trump never threatened to send troops into Mexico

Donald Trump never instituted a "Muslim Ban".

I could go on and so a shall...

Steven Bannon did not fly in a plane to Florida to confront Flynn about DHS matters.

The 35 page "dossier" was full of false information.

Steve Mnuchin's bank never foreclosed on the home of a woman who owed 27 cents

The bust of Martin Luther King was never removed from the White House

There was never a "sudden massive exodus" of purged Secretary of State posts

Need I go on? As a matter of fact yes, I do...

The "Climate Change website was never removed from the White House website.

Donald Trump did not shut down a citizen line used to contact the White House

Neil Gorsuch's announcement was not set up as a prime-time contest via twitter

Where are your sources for these ?
 

News was Cronkite, and guys like him

They told you when they were giving opinion, which wasn't often

Now, bias is everywhere....and it is pervasive in every news show on tv

From local to national...

It is as the facts alone no longer are worth broadcasting

We get panel after panel telling us what everything means, and how it all relates to each other

Sorry....but no.....I don't want their opinions.....I will reach my own....

And that is the problem.....too few want to think, and want to actually figure it out on their own

Kinda like investing...why most people buy etfs or funds....and I pick individual stocks for 60% of my portfolio

I don't mind doing my own homework
 
I completely disagree with the gist of your post top to bottom. Journalism is not about entertaining. And if a journalist asks a question in an interview, it is unethical to cut off the interviewee because you don't agree.

Editorializing is not purely for entertainment. It is about allowing the people to hear and share various argumentations or philosophies about our governance. Our public square, if you will. How we change our governance is decided by opinion, so this is rather important.

If that's not part of what journalism does, then explain to me why almost every newspaper, TV news program, and news website in existence for the past several centuries has had an Op/Ed section.

Lemon did a good job facilitating the guest panel, making sure Dennard got time to speak, and giving him a completely neutral opening question. So as a matter of fact, the journalist in this equation actually did meet your definition. The panelists were the only ones giving opinions. That "fake" does not mean "stuff I disagree with" isn't an opinion. That's a fact. He did his journalistic duty by making sure that blatant lies didn't go uncorrected on his program.

Furthermore, even when journalists are sharing opinions, as in editorials, they can share an opinion while still adhering to those things (and they should). Opinions should ideally be based on correct information, should they not? Nothing about editorializing negates any of those things.

You simply don't understand what journalism is, quite honestly. And if you do actually care about the objectivity of the news, then you shouldn't be defending Dennard's blatant lying.
 
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News was Cronkite, and guys like him

They told you when they were giving opinion, which wasn't often

Now, bias is everywhere....and it is pervasive in every news show on tv

From local to national...

It is as the facts alone no longer are worth broadcasting

We get panel after panel telling us what everything means, and how it all relates to each other

Sorry....but no.....I don't want their opinions.....I will reach my own....
...

The longtime favorite of conservatives, Fox NEWS -- is 90% opinion.
 
Editorializing is not purely for entertainment. It is about allowing the people to hear and share various argumentations or philosophies about our governance. Our public square, if you will. How we change our governance is decided by opinion, so this is rather important.

If that's not part of what journalism does, then explain to me why almost every newspaper, TV news program, and news website in existence for the past several centuries has had an Op/Ed section.

Lemon did a good job facilitating the guest panel, making sure Dennard got time to speak, and giving him a completely neutral opening question. So as a matter of fact, the journalist in this equation actually did meet your definition. The panelists were the only ones giving opinions. That "fake" does not mean "stuff I disagree with" isn't an opinion. That's a fact. He did his journalistic duty by making sure that blatant lies didn't go uncorrected on his program.

You simply don't understand what journalism is, quite honestly. And if you do actually care about the objectivity of the news, then you shouldn't be defending Dennard's blatant lying.

OMG. How incredible. Now, after just posting journalistic ethics, you say I just don't understand journalism.

Go harass someone else. It has become impossible to dialogue with you of late.
 
The longtime favorite of conservatives, Fox NEWS -- is 90% opinion.

Did I say left or right?

I said ALL news....

Imo they ought to go back to a headline show.....every three hours or so

And then advertise the rest as opinion crap which is what it is

My go to news source has been OAN news lately....

Better than the rest, but still not what I really want
 
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