How would one prove that . . .

. . . ineligible people are voting?

It's always seemed so logical to me that people prove they are who they are, but the Left keeps telling us there is no evidence of voter fraud.

So I ask the Left especially -- how could voter fraud be investigated and how would one get proof that ineligible people are voting?

If I had it my way, there would be a qualifying test to vote.

Throw out a bunch of current events, some fake news, and a few basic elementary civics questions and if the voter can't tell which is which, send 'em out the door.

Dumb ass voters are the reason we're in the position we are in now.

Maybe there is a reason no one has ever asked me to run for public office after all. LOL!

MaggieD said:

. . . ineligible people are voting?

It's always seemed so logical to me that people prove they are who they are, but the Left keeps telling us there is no evidence of voter fraud.

So I ask the Left especially -- how could voter fraud be investigated and how would one get proof that ineligible people are voting?

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Millions and millions of dollars have been spent. Voter rolls examined. Name, birthday, social security numbers compared. A literal handful is all the people with all that effort that have been found to vote illegally. There is, quite literally, no evidence to suggest that ineligible people are voting in any significant numbers.

MaggieD said:

. . . ineligible people are voting?

It's always seemed so logical to me that people prove they are who they are, but the Left keeps telling us there is no evidence of voter fraud.

So I ask the Left especially -- how could voter fraud be investigated and how would one get proof that ineligible people are voting?

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The liberals are talking their own book. With more than 5 millions of illegals out there .....

Redress said:

Millions and millions of dollars have been spent. Voter rolls examined. Name, birthday, social security numbers compared. A literal handful is all the people with all that effort that have been found to vote illegally. There is, quite literally, no evidence to suggest that ineligible people are voting in any significant numbers.

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I think trust is bad and control is better.

MaggieD said:

. . . ineligible people are voting?

It's always seemed so logical to me that people prove they are who they are, but the Left keeps telling us there is no evidence of voter fraud.

So I ask the Left especially -- how could voter fraud be investigated and how would one get proof that ineligible people are voting?

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Ask Trump.

He seems to know.

Redress said:

Millions and millions of dollars have been spent. Voter rolls examined. Name, birthday, social security numbers compared. A literal handful is all the people with all that effort that have been found to vote illegally. There is, quite literally, no evidence to suggest that ineligible people are voting in any significant numbers.

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How do any of the things you listed above prove whether or not the person actually voting is the person who is eligible?

MaggieD said:

How do any of the things you listed above prove whether or not the person actually voting is the person who is eligible?

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Yours is a valid point, if we do not check identities, the only way to know the person who voted was not who they say they were,
is if the actual person showed up and found their ballot had already been cast.
This is not usually a problem, because the cemeteries usually don't let people leave to vote!
Seriously, someone with access to voting history, could quickly identify persons who, while registered,
have never voted. Proxies could vote in their stead, without anyone knowing.

MaggieD said:

. . . ineligible people are voting?

It's always seemed so logical to me that people prove they are who they are, but the Left keeps telling us there is no evidence of voter fraud.

So I ask the Left especially -- how could voter fraud be investigated and how would one get proof that ineligible people are voting?

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While ineligible people voting could well be a problem in some areas I figure it's a rather minor problem compared to stuff like "vote harvesting".

The push for mail in ballots was initially billed as a way to make it easier for people to vote. Lots of people had trouble getting off work or had trouble walking or were stuck in the hospital or something. All those people deserved to be able to vote and a mail in ballot with an extended window to get the ballot mailed in was a great way to preserve their right. That all made perfect sense.

What has happened since then is that in some areas various activist groups have gone to great effort to get people who normally don't vote registered and set up for mail in ballots. That's also fine except that a lot of the new registrants really have no idea what they are voting for. For example, I found a Democrat group registering people in an Alzheimer's care facility. There are also groups that seek out and register the homeless whether they are mentally competent to handle their own affairs or not. In many precincts it only takes a few dozen or a couple of hundred extra votes from people who, for all practical purposes are being taken advantage of, to swing that precinct from one candidate to another.

I know that there are a lot of folks who say that this type of tactic actually protects the infirm and mentally incompetent whom, despite their condition, still have the right to representation. I fully agree that they should be represented. My problem is thatthis kind of thing isn't being done for the benefit of the individual. It's being done for the benefit of the party.

MaggieD said:

. . . ineligible people are voting?

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Basically, you sign in when you vote.

Local and state governments manage voter rolls. They purge the rolls roughly every 2 years for people who are deceased, arrested and so forth. They tend to be a little behind people who move, because there is no national voter registration database. Many states check voter rolls against Homeland Security and other databases. Some states are also working in coordination to identify people who have moved.

Also, setting up a large effort -- say, 10,000 people in one district, or 3 million people across the US -- would require extensive coordination, not to mention they'd have to fake 3 million registrations. Someone somewhere would eventually tell the wrong person and get ratted out.

There have also been multiple investigations of voter fraud, none of which have turned up any evidence thereof.

A little more info:

Fact-checking the integrity of the vote in 2016 | PolitiFact

Trump’s Bogus Voter Fraud Claims

MaggieD said:

. . . ineligible people are voting?

It's always seemed so logical to me that people prove they are who they are, but the Left keeps telling us there is no evidence of voter fraud.

So I ask the Left especially -- how could voter fraud be investigated and how would one get proof that ineligible people are voting?

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I ask this in return, how can one claim they are voting if they cannot actually prove it? It is not the left that is claiming that massive numbers of illegals are voting, that would be the Right, the burden of proof is theirs, so ask them for their hard evidence, the sound you will hear will be similar that that made by crickets.

longview said:

Yours is a valid point, if we do not check identities, the only way to know the person who voted was not who they say they were,
is if the actual person showed up and found their ballot had already been cast.
This is not usually a problem, because the cemeteries usually don't let people leave to vote!
Seriously, someone with access to voting history, could quickly identify persons who, while registered,
have never voted. Proxies could vote in their stead, without anyone knowing.

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You voted in Texas and no one asked to see your ID? Me is VERY Skeptical, I have never voted here and Not been asked, and been doing it a long time.

Casper said:

You voted in Texas and no one asked to see your ID? Me is VERY Skeptical, I have never voted here and Not been asked, and been doing it a long time.

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You do have to have an ID to vote in Texas, at least you did.
The disenfranchise argument is weak, a valid ID is free to any who do not have a standard ID.

Redress said:

Millions and millions of dollars have been spent. Voter rolls examined. Name, birthday, social security numbers compared. A literal handful is all the people with all that effort that have been found to vote illegally. There is, quite literally, no evidence to suggest that ineligible people are voting in any significant numbers.

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Since states like California, New York and Illinois, for examples, are SO lenient on undocumenteds (Cali. actually supplies Cali. Driver's Licenses to illegals and is one documentation accepted by most states as proof of voter eligibility), I'd start a congressional investigation scrutinizing California's elections for undocumented - actual - voter fraud.

longview said:

You do have to have an ID to vote in Texas, at least you did.
The disenfranchise argument is weak, a valid ID is free to any who do not have a standard ID.

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Hmmm, seems like we are not disagreeing. Ok

In order to pull a scam like that off on a scale that could influence a Presidential election, it would take a LOT of co-conspirators. To get the number as small as possible the fake voters would each have to hit multiple polling stations in a day. They would be restricted to mid-size and large cities because in small towns people know each other. So between waiting in lines and driving from place to place, how many places could one person hit? I'm being generous if I said it would take a few hundred thousand co-conspirators. The more people involved in a conspiracy the quicker it collapses. To secretly pull off something on that scale without hundreds of people spilling the beans? I'm more likely to believe the moon landing was hoaxed, that contrails are chemtrails, that 9-11 was orchestrated by our government, AND that alien bodies are being kept at Area 51 than to believe such a large conspiracy was pulled off.

Now, if we are talking about some small local election it becomes much more plausible.

Visbek said:

Basically, you sign in when you vote.

Local and state governments manage voter rolls. They purge the rolls roughly every 2 years for people who are deceased, arrested and so forth. They tend to be a little behind people who move, because there is no national voter registration database. Many states check voter rolls against Homeland Security and other databases. Some states are also working in coordination to identify people who have moved.

Also, setting up a large effort -- say, 10,000 people in one district, or 3 million people across the US -- would require extensive coordination, not to mention they'd have to fake 3 million registrations. Someone somewhere would eventually tell the wrong person and get ratted out.

There have also been multiple investigations of voter fraud, none of which have turned up any evidence thereof.

A little more info:

Fact-checking the integrity of the vote in 2016 | PolitiFact

Trump’s Bogus Voter Fraud Claims

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I suspect every state does things their own way. In Illinois, always Dem btw, I walk into the polling place, give them my name, they look it up and hand me a ballot. How do they know I'm MaggieD? They don't.

Casper said:

I ask this in return, how can one claim they are voting if they cannot actually prove it? It is not the left that is claiming that massive numbers of illegals are voting, that would be the Right, the burden of proof is their so ask them for their hard evidence, the sound you will hear will be similar that that made by crickets.

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Why should there by a burden of proof issue? Unless, of course, the right would be allowed to do a test case where people have to produce identification that assures they are citizens of the US and are who they claim to be. I believe that's called a Catch 22. Just the way the Left likes it. Not good for the country, but sure good for them.

cabse5 said:

Since states like California, New York and Illinois, for examples, are SO lenient on undocumented aliens (Cali. actually supplies Cali. Driver's Licenses to illegals and is one documentation accepted by most states as proof of voter eligibility), I'd start a congressional investigation scrutinizing California's elections for undocumented - actual - voter fraud.

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Based on what? There have to solid reasons to spend Millions of dollars on which hunts, oh wait .......... never mind.:roll:

Casper said:

Based on what? There have to solid reasons to spend Millions of dollars on which hunts, oh wait .......... never mind.:roll:

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Which hunts? As in does this dog hunt?

joG said:

I think trust is bad and control is better.

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Spoken like a true authoritarian.

MaggieD said:

I suspect every state does things their own way. In Illinois, always Dem btw, I walk into the polling place, give them my name, they look it up and hand me a ballot. How do they know I'm MaggieD? They don't.



Why should there by a burden of proof issue? Unless, of course, the right would be allowed to do a test case where people have to produce identification that assures they are citizens of the US and are who they claim to be. I believe that's called a Catch 22. Just the way the Left likes it. Not good for the country, but sure good for them.

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Because when you make a claim the burdened of proof falls on you to prove it, not with my money and not with my assistance, it all lies with you to backup your claim, there is no other option. Now if you cannot then it comes down to more BS being thrown against the wall in the hopes something sticks and better yet keeps us all looking at the slinging contest while real issues are what we should be concerned with.

Casper said:

Because when you make a claim the burdened of proof falls on you to prove it, not with my money and not with my assistance, it all lies with you to backup your claim, there is no other option. Now if you cannot then it comes down to more BS being thrown against the wall in the hopes something sticks and better yet keeps us all looking at the slinging contest while real issues are what we should be concerned with.

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Catch-22. Next time the Left wants a vote recount, maybe we should tell them they're welcome to do so as soon as they can prove there were significant irregularities.

MaggieD said:

Catch-22. Next time the Left wants a vote recount, maybe we should tell them they're welcome to do so as soon as they can prove there were significant irregularities.

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Not a catch-22 at all, I believe the same rules should apply across the board. Not sure why you think that would bother me?

MaggieD said:

. . . ineligible people are voting?

It's always seemed so logical to me that people prove they are who they are, but the Left keeps telling us there is no evidence of voter fraud.

So I ask the Left especially -- how could voter fraud be investigated and how would one get proof that ineligible people are voting?

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Exactly the same problem exists in the UK. May's government will soon introduce ID checks. So here is an idea: wait and see how that works out in the UK an copy the new system if it works well.

These days the UK is much more willing to look at what other countries do and, sometimes, to learn from successes as well as mistakes. I get the impression that the US has yet to learn this cost effective trick.

This is the part of the constitution I wish we could rewrite. I'd like to have one national standard across the board on voting and voting requirements and whatnot. I hate that every state is different. It provides so much grey area for shenanigans during an election.