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Signs men are emasculated part 2: Men scared to talk of certain topics

Henrin said:
Except of course he is making things up.

It should also be noted that beefheart is a perfect example for one of the points made in the OP. Almost all of his posts were not directed towards the topic, but directed towards me personally in the attempt to shut down the discussion.
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is whining, such as that found immediately above, found to be a masculine trait?
 
justabubba said:
is whining, such as that found immediately above, found to be a masculine trait?
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Just reporting the facts, dear. Are you really going to claim that beefheart didn't prove one of the points in the OP correct in the other thread?
 
Henrin said:
Just reporting the facts, dear. Are you really going to claim that beefheart didn't prove one of the points in the OP correct in the other thread?
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then such whining is not found to be a masculine endeavor
 
justabubba said:
then such whining is not found to be a masculine endeavor
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Reporting that beefheart in fact proves my argument is correct is not whining, but providing evidence for my case. How is that hard to follow?
 
Henrin is a pussified private shaving coward. Just my guess.
 
Henrin said:
This thread is actually about a broader topic and the last thread was the example I used to show it. You really should stop with the tales.
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Where do you get the authority to make a series of threads where you rant about what you decree is masculine?

What are your bona fides?
 
Henrin said:
Reporting that beefheart in fact proves my argument is correct is not whining, but providing evidence for my case. How is that hard to follow?
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I don't prove your argument.

Unless your argument is "Henrin really gets emasculated by the grooming habits of other men"
 
Henrin said:
Reporting that beefheart in fact proves my argument is correct is not whining, but providing evidence for my case. How is that hard to follow?
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complaining about beefheart is not whining
and therefor cannot be found to be other than masculine
got it
[insert sarcasm icon of choice]
 
Henrin said:
Except of course he is making things up.

It should also be noted that beefheart is a perfect example for one of the points made in the OP. Almost all of his posts were not directed towards the topic, but directed towards me personally in the attempt to shut down the discussion.
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YOU are the author of the thread, you have appointed yourself as the sole arbitrator as to what is masculine.

It is all about you, you can't have it both ways.

You made the thread, you showed your insecurity, you have to bear the comments made about you and your thread.
 
roughdraft274 said:
You are tricking yourself in to finding false positives to fit your narrative. No one was scared to comment on your ball hair thread. People were commenting that if you are wanting to talk about how men aren't masculine enough then maybe it shouldn't be in a thread discussing the finer details of shaving your nuts etc. Yes, you can define masculinity as speaking your mind, you can also call it knowing when to speak your mind. I can't imagine John Wayne walking up to bar and saying "So... what do yall think about this whole 'shaving your body hair' thing?" if that's the line of masculinity you are trying to sell. I think you are making up that people were scared to speak of it. That's not what I saw at all. The only person I've seen judge someone on these forums for how they treat their body hair thus far is you.
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Henrin is projecting.

So much.
 
Henrin said:
This thread is actually about a broader topic and the last thread was the example I used to show it. You really should stop with the tales.
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The thread is about YOUR interpretation of a topic that you seem to be obsessed with.

You can't understand why we are questioning you about what emasculates you.
 
beefheart said:
Where do you get the authority to make a series of threads where you rant about what you decree is masculine?

What are your bona fides?
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From myself. :shrug:
 
beefheart said:
YOU are the author of the thread, you have appointed yourself as the sole arbitrator as to what is masculine.

It is all about you, you can't have it both ways.

You made the thread, you showed your insecurity, you have to bear the comments made about you and your thread.
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Any time someone offers an opinion or any other kind of argument the discussion is over the argument itself, not the person. You should be aware of that already though.
 
Henrin said:
When I was growing up I was taught that men speak their mind, speak towards topics that concern them and say what needs to be said, but today many men will not speak towards certain topics and act like it is not masculine to do so. I don't know where this idea of fear as a masculine trait came from, but it runs counter to a great deal of what I know of the topic and the history of the idea itself. In part one of this series for example I was told that speaking towards body shaving of men was not masculine and many men avoided the topic in a very cowardly way like they knew somehow the topic was off limits for them to speak towards or that they were scared of being judged for what they had to say on it.

If you ask me men and women should not be scared of topics that might come up and not be scared to offered their true opinion on the topic being discussed if they in fact have an opinion to share. Feminists told women to not hide their beliefs to themselves and to express themselves as free thinking individuals. This was presented as something women should do and be proud of doing like it was a badge of honor they wore on their chest as they went about their life, but it seems during this time regressed from speaking their mind to fear of doing all the while developing this weird idea in their head that men should hide their opinion on certain hand chosen forbidden topics, like for example, the topic of part one of this series. Somehow along the way men found a safe space for themselves that they are free from being called coward for their quite frankly pussified and timid behavior. Not only do I think this behavior should in fact end, but that men should have enough courage and bravery to challenge this new idea that sprung up from cowardly men and their influence.

I don't imagine many people here agree with me, but I still welcome your input on the topic.
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I read and commented on part 1. Now I'll comment here.

Henrin, it seems you like your men hairy, I wouldn't say this is avoiding the subject. It seems you are deeply interested in the grooming of men. More interested than me and I'm a gay man. Seems odd you'd comment on that.

You said shaving your chest is the most feminine thing possible, but women don't shave their chests, they have to have hair there to shave their chests. Further, isn't motherhood the most feminine thing possible? Or pregnancy? Or menstruation?

Seems odd you'd bring up grooming when there are guys that wear "empathy bellies."

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CLAX1911 said:
I read and commented on part 1. Now I'll comment here.

Henrin, it seems you like your men hairy, I wouldn't say this is avoiding the subject. It seems you are deeply interested in the grooming of men. More interested than me and I'm a gay man. Seems odd you'd comment on that.
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I will admit the discussion is a little weird, but I'm open to discussing just about anything, so whatever. I'm also not all that interested in the topic itself really, but it's part of overall trend that the series is about that frankly I do find troublesome. It wouldn't really be a complete series if I didn't include one of the most girly things men are doing, would it?

You said shaving your chest is the most feminine thing possible, but women don't shave their chests, they have to have hair there to shave their chests. Further, isn't motherhood the most feminine thing possible? Or pregnancy? Or menstruation?
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Not really the direction I was going with the point, but you're right in what you say here.

Seems odd you'd bring up grooming when there are guys that wear "empathy bellies."
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Who said I wasn't going to talk about that at some point? lol Ok, ok, I wasn't planning on it. Not because I don't think it is girly nonsense, but because it just didn't cross my mind.
 
Henrin said:
From myself. :shrug:
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So then, don't get butthurt when we question you about your thread where you are espousing your thoughts and ideas.

Its your baby, deal with the criticism.

Maybe, in order to become an expert, you should shave your body and see how you like it.

And it grows back so you can be more "masculine"
 
Henrin said:
Any time someone offers an opinion or any other kind of argument the discussion is over the argument itself, not the person. You should be aware of that already though.
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It is your argument, borne out of your head, communicated by you, on your thread about your thoughts on the subject that only you seem to be disturbed about.

Its all you, you made this bed, lie in it.
 
beefheart said:
So then, don't get butthurt when we question you about your thread where you are espousing your thoughts and ideas.

Its your baby, deal with the criticism.

Maybe, in order to become an expert, you should shave your body and see how you like it.

And it grows back so you can be more "masculine"
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I'm not butthurt in any way. :shrug: The series is about things men are doing that emasculates them, and since there is plenty of men that act like huge ******s when certain topics come up either all the time or in certain situations not only was this thread needed, but an example was needed to argue it. The last thread just turned out to have a large quality of men doing the things in the OP and thus work as an example.
 
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Henrin said:
I will admit the discussion is a little weird, but I'm open to discussing just about anything, so whatever. I'm also not all that interested in the topic itself really, but it's part of overall trend that the series is about that frankly I do find troublesome. It wouldn't really be a complete series if I didn't include one of the most girly things men are doing, would it?
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I'm just teasing you. Further I don't think many girls Shane their chest, so I don't think it's very girly.



Not really the direction I was going with the point, but you're right in what you say here.
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Well what makes the sexes different is their biological function. Femininity and masculinity are really a reflection of that. Removal of hair especially when you have the hormone to build muscle doesn't alter function.



Who said I wasn't going to talk about that at some point? lol Ok, ok, I wasn't planning on it. Not because I don't think it is girly nonsense, but because it just didn't cross my mind.
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Well, as I pointed out only men can shave their chest this the action isn't girly.

It would help to focus on men really doing things that are emasculating than things you wouldn't do.
 
beefheart said:
It is your argument, borne out of your head, communicated by you, on your thread about your thoughts on the subject that only you seem to be disturbed about.

Its all you, you made this bed, lie in it.
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You need to learn to debate. You should never debate the poster and instead always debate the topic. This pretty much 101 debating stuff.
 
CLAX1911 said:
I'm just teasing you. Further I don't think many girls Shane their chest, so I don't think it's very girly.
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Yes, but since women don't have hair on their chest while the vast majority of men do it's connected to it.

Well what makes the sexes different is their biological function. Femininity and masculinity are really a reflection of that. Removal of hair especially when you have the hormone to build muscle doesn't alter function.
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Yes, but the body hair is a response to the hormones. Or in other words, the body hair is response and representation of the hormones themselves. While also the hormones themselves play a large part in the functionality of the biological functions themselves. Do you see where I'm getting at?

Well, as I pointed out only men can shave their chest this the action isn't girly.
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And I would disagree for the reasons I have stated.

It would help to focus on men really doing things that are emasculating than things you wouldn't do.
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I believe I'm doing that though.
 
Henrin said:
Yes, but since women don't have hair on their chest while the vast majority of men do it's connected to it.
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No it isn't.



Yes, but the body hair is a response to the hormones. Or in other words, the body hair is response and representation of the hormones themselves. While also the hormones themselves play a large part in the functionality of the biological functions themselves. Do you see where I'm getting at?
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No. It isn't a function of biology to not shave your chest.



And I would disagree for the reasons I have stated.
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You'd be wrong. Women don't shave their chest only men do. It isn't girly.



I believe I'm doing that though.
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You can believe the statue of liberty has a penis that doesn't make it so.
 
Henrin said:
When I was growing up I was taught that men speak their mind, speak towards topics that concern them and say what needs to be said, but today many men will not speak towards certain topics and act like it is not masculine to do so. I don't know where this idea of fear as a masculine trait came from, but it runs counter to a great deal of what I know of the topic and the history of the idea itself. In part one of this series for example I was told that speaking towards body shaving of men was not masculine and many men avoided the topic in a very cowardly way like they knew somehow the topic was off limits for them to speak towards or that they were scared of being judged for what they had to say on it.
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Maybe they simply couldn't find any ****s to give about your topic. Did you consider that?




(Nevermind that the claim you are making is bizarre. Men are emasculated because some unidentified authority figure told you that they are emasculated and that this is the reason they ignored your posts? What? No wonder people didn't bother with it.)
 
Henrin said:
You need to learn to debate. You should never debate the poster and instead always debate the topic. This pretty much 101 debating stuff.
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He is getting to the heart of the subject. It's completely your opinion that shaving your chest is "girly" despite the reality that is likely only men that do it. He illustrated that your opinion is irrational and it is as i pointed it out.
 
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