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Signs men are emasculated part 2: Men scared to talk of certain topics

beefheart said:
Boy, you sure do let a lot of things emasculate you.
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Yes, because expressing my disapproval of men not expressing their thoughts and hiding behind the safety of silence is somehow allowing something to emasculate me. lol. I think everyone will agree that I say whatever I feel like saying on DP, so yeah, it's not my problem being discussed here.
 
year2late said:
The manscaping thread?

Just because the men on the thread do not agree with you, does not mean they are thinking the topic was off limits. They are just pro-choice in terms of manscaping.:lamo
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Actually many of them were being kind of weak in that thread by trying to focus on me instead of the topic. That is actually a classic example of someone that is showing that they are in fact not comfortable with something and find it personally upsetting that it is being talked about at all.

The example provided in the OP was speaking towards posts made last night which was mostly men running away from the topic. That thread only really opened up today after those men ran away.
 
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year2late said:
The manscaping thread?

Just because the men on the thread do not agree with you, does not mean they are thinking the topic was off limits. They are just pro-choice in terms of manscaping.:lamo
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There was also a great deal of men even yesterday in that thread that were guilty of trying to shut down the discussion with accusing me of being gay or not masculine for even starting the thread. Many of these men never really offered their opinion either.
 
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Henrin said:
When I was growing up I was taught that men speak their mind, speak towards topics that concern them and say what needs to be said, but today many men will not speak towards certain topics and act like it is not masculine to do so. I don't know where this idea of fear as a masculine trait came from, but it runs counter to a great deal of what I know of the topic and the history of the idea itself. In part one of this series for example I was told that speaking towards body shaving of men was not masculine and many men avoided the topic in a very cowardly way like they knew somehow the topic was off limits for them to speak towards or that they were scared of being judged for what they had to say on it.
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Actually, many people avoided that topic because it was a really stupid topic that had no logic behind it... and was proven to have no logic. There you go again... black and white thinking.

If you ask me men and women should not be scared of topics that might come up and not be scared to offered their true opinion on the topic being discussed if they in fact have an opinion to share. Feminists told women to not hide their beliefs to themselves and to express themselves as free thinking individuals. This was presented as something women should do and be proud of doing like it was a badge of honor they wore on their chest as they went about their life, but it seems during this time regressed from speaking their mind to fear of doing all the while developing this weird idea in their head that men should hide their opinion on certain hand chosen forbidden topics, like for example, the topic of part one of this series. Somehow along the way men found a safe space for themselves that they are free from being called coward for their quite frankly pussified and timid behavior. Not only do I think this behavior should in fact end, but that men should have enough courage and bravery to challenge this new idea that sprung up from cowardly men and their influence.

I don't imagine many people here agree with me, but I still welcome your input on the topic.
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This is a great example of your lack of logic, black and white thinking, and false dichotomy. Your assumption is that either people agree with you or they are scared to comment. This is false. Another option is that people believe that your premise is so stupid that there is no reason to respond. Or people believe that your premise is so inaccurate and obviously so, that they didn't bother to state the obvious... that you were wrong. Another option is that people saw just how badly your premise was destroyed and felt no need to add to the destruction, as the destruction was complete. See, Henrin? LOTS of options. Black and white thinking always fails.
 
Henrin said:
Except men in the first part clearly avoided the topic last night. It was apparently not masculine to speak of it like somehow the topic was off-limits. I was not raised to believe topics are off-limits or that doing such things is what men do.
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No one avoided the topic. The topic was stupid and you were proven to be wrong. The issue is that you refused to accept that either because you fell into your standard black and white false dichotomy, or, for some reason, you were too scared to admit that your position had no merit.
 
Henrin said:
Actually many of them were being kind of weak in that thread by trying to focus on me instead of the topic. That is actually a classic example of someone that is showing that they are in fact not comfortable with something and find it personally upsetting that it is being talked about at all.

The example provided in the OP was speaking towards posts made last night which was mostly men running away from the topic. That thread only really opened up today after those men ran away.
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People didn't run from the topic. They TRASHED your position by demonstrating that 1) you were wrong; 2) you were making a personal opinion that had no basis in fact, and; 3) that your entire position lacked logic and was a black and white false dichotomy. Now, Henrin, if each and every thread in this ridiculous "series" of yours is going to lack the logic and intelligence that the first two have, let us know now so we all know to respond similarly to how we have been responding, thus far.
 
Henrin said:
When I was growing up I was taught that men speak their mind, speak towards topics that concern them and say what needs to be said, but today many men will not speak towards certain topics and act like it is not masculine to do so.
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I think you’ve got that entirely the wrong way around. Historically there were all sorts of topics and fields which were deemed suitable and appropriate only for one gender or other. What topics today are often considered “not masculine” for men to consider or discuss runs exclusively from those historic traditions but society is generally more open and flexible about them than it once was.

Henrin said:
If you ask me men and women should not be scared of topics that might come up and not be scared to offered their true opinion on the topic being discussed if they in fact have an opinion to share.
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I agree. Do you have any actual evidence people are and specifically are more so today than they were in the past?

Henrin said:
I don't imagine many people here agree with me, but I still welcome your input on the topic.
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Have you considered the most obvious possible reason why lots of people might disagree with your assertions?
 
Henrin said:
Actually many of them were being kind of weak in that thread by trying to focus on me instead of the topic. That is actually a classic example of someone that is showing that they are in fact not comfortable with something and find it personally upsetting that it is being talked about at all.

The example provided in the OP was speaking towards posts made last night which was mostly men running away from the topic. That thread only really opened up today after those men ran away.
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They seem very comfortable with the subject...they just reject your premise.

Face it, you put something out there you feel passionately about and nobody agrees. Is that so horrible? It does not mean their answers are false....the message you seem to be getting is "personal grooming choice"
 
Henrin said:
Yes, because expressing my disapproval of men not expressing their thoughts and hiding behind the safety of silence is somehow allowing something to emasculate me. lol. I think everyone will agree that I say whatever I feel like saying on DP, so yeah, it's not my problem being discussed here.
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I can say anything to my SO. We are grownups...and we don't get all hung up over other people's body hair.:roll:
 
Henrin said:
Actually many of them were being kind of weak in that thread by trying to focus on me instead of the topic. That is actually a classic example of someone that is showing that they are in fact not comfortable with something and find it personally upsetting that it is being talked about at all.

The example provided in the OP was speaking towards posts made last night which was mostly men running away from the topic. That thread only really opened up today after those men ran away.
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You made up the topic, the topic was about you and your definitions of what counts as masculine. It was all about you and your opinion, you just couldn't handle everyone destroying your silly premise and laughing at the absurdity of your topic, and then you got all butthurt. What arrogance to create a "series" of threads espousing your odd feelings about masculinity and body hair and then not be masculine enough to take criticism.
 
beefheart said:
You made up the topic, the topic was about you and your definitions of what counts as masculine. It was all about you and your opinion, you just couldn't handle everyone destroying your silly premise and laughing at the absurdity of your topic, and then you got all butthurt. What arrogance to create a "series" of threads espousing your odd feelings about masculinity and body hair and then not be masculine enough to take criticism.
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What? I accepted all the criticism of the position that was provided, but just don't find much criticism that was directed my position in the thread to speak of.
 
year2late said:
They seem very comfortable with the subject...they just reject your premise.
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That's not how it seems to me. Some are comfortable with it, but others are not from where I sit.

Face it, you put something out there you feel passionately about and nobody agrees. Is that so horrible? It does not mean their answers are false....the message you seem to be getting is "personal grooming choice"
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I'm not concerned that no one agrees and in fact I expected it going in since 95% of straight men do it. If I got wide acceptance to what I was saying from men on the board then I would have to question that 95% of men actually do the activity.
 
Henrin said:
What? I accepted all the criticism of the position that was provided, but just don't find much criticism that was directed my position in the thread to speak of.
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You didn't accept it, you got all angry because everyone here doesn't have the same bizarre feelings you have about what is masculine.
 
beefheart said:
You didn't accept it, you got all angry because everyone here doesn't have the same bizarre feelings you have about what is masculine.
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I was hardly angry or even upset. :shrug: Frankly your tales are getting old.
 
americanwoman said:
Just on this forum alone I see many men speaking their mind on a variety of topics and never scared to provide an opinion on anything. :shrug:
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Word. I'm trying to figure out where the Op is even coming from on this. I've been mansplaining for as long as I could talk :)
 
Henrin said:
I was hardly angry or even upset. :shrug: Frankly your tales are getting old.
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You must have been upset, you made the two silly threads.

Who does this?

Seriously
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
People didn't run from the topic. They TRASHED your position by demonstrating that 1) you were wrong; 2) you were making a personal opinion that had no basis in fact, and; 3) that your entire position lacked logic and was a black and white false dichotomy. Now, Henrin, if each and every thread in this ridiculous "series" of yours is going to lack the logic and intelligence that the first two have, let us know now so we all know to respond similarly to how we have been responding, thus far.
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Now, if he had gone with "Men will do anything to get laid," I might have said that I had to agree. Lord knows that there have been countless times where my desire to get into someone's pants exceeded my need to express myself in a way that I know would piss a woman off. But, he's not really going down that path.

In fact...I have no idea if he is even following a path at all. :)
 
beefheart said:
You must have been upset, you made the two silly threads.

Who does this?

Seriously
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This thread is actually about a broader topic and the last thread was the example I used to show it. You really should stop with the tales.
 
Henrin said:
When I was growing up I was taught that men speak their mind, speak towards topics that concern them and say what needs to be said, but today many men will not speak towards certain topics and act like it is not masculine to do so. I don't know where this idea of fear as a masculine trait came from, but it runs counter to a great deal of what I know of the topic and the history of the idea itself. In part one of this series for example I was told that speaking towards body shaving of men was not masculine and many men avoided the topic in a very cowardly way like they knew somehow the topic was off limits for them to speak towards or that they were scared of being judged for what they had to say on it.

If you ask me men and women should not be scared of topics that might come up and not be scared to offered their true opinion on the topic being discussed if they in fact have an opinion to share. Feminists told women to not hide their beliefs to themselves and to express themselves as free thinking individuals. This was presented as something women should do and be proud of doing like it was a badge of honor they wore on their chest as they went about their life, but it seems during this time regressed from speaking their mind to fear of doing all the while developing this weird idea in their head that men should hide their opinion on certain hand chosen forbidden topics, like for example, the topic of part one of this series. Somehow along the way men found a safe space for themselves that they are free from being called coward for their quite frankly pussified and timid behavior. Not only do I think this behavior should in fact end, but that men should have enough courage and bravery to challenge this new idea that sprung up from cowardly men and their influence.

I don't imagine many people here agree with me, but I still welcome your input on the topic.
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You are tricking yourself in to finding false positives to fit your narrative. No one was scared to comment on your ball hair thread. People were commenting that if you are wanting to talk about how men aren't masculine enough then maybe it shouldn't be in a thread discussing the finer details of shaving your nuts etc. Yes, you can define masculinity as speaking your mind, you can also call it knowing when to speak your mind. I can't imagine John Wayne walking up to bar and saying "So... what do yall think about this whole 'shaving your body hair' thing?" if that's the line of masculinity you are trying to sell. I think you are making up that people were scared to speak of it. That's not what I saw at all. The only person I've seen judge someone on these forums for how they treat their body hair thus far is you.
 
calamity said:
Now, if he had gone with "Men will do anything to get laid," I might have said that I had to agree. Lord knows that there have been countless times where my desire to get into someone's pants exceeded my need to express myself in a way that I know would piss a woman off. But, he's not really going down that path.

In fact...I have no idea if he is even following a path at all. :)
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I kind of did in fact mention that, but just not directly.
 
roughdraft274 said:
You are tricking yourself in to finding false positives to fit your narrative. No one was scared to comment on your ball hair thread. People were commenting that if you are wanting to talk about how men aren't masculine enough then maybe it shouldn't be in a thread discussing the finer details of shaving your nuts etc. Yes, you can define masculinity as speaking your mind, you can also call it knowing when to speak your mind. I can't imagine John Wayne walking up to bar and saying "So... what do yall think about this whole 'shaving your body hair' thing?" if that's the line of masculinity you are trying to sell. I think you are making up that people were scared to speak of it. That's not what I saw at all. The only person I've seen judge someone on these forums for how they treat their body hair thus far is you.
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That was just one example that for some reason everyone decided to focus on. It wasn't even the first example provided even, but since I mentioned it everyone decided it was the focus. lol

If you need evidence of someone running away then Spuds post is a great example of it.

And John Wayne was a punk.
 
Henrin said:
I kind of did in fact mention that, but just not directly.
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Well, that by itself is actually a good topic. "Why we bite our tongue to get sex."

I say it's because getting some sex supersedes the desire to rant and mansplain---we do that after. lol...my wife has mentioned it several times. "You're so nice right before we have sex. Why do you turn into such an asshole after?"
 
calamity said:
Well, that by itself is actually a good topic. "Why we bite our tongue to get sex."

I say it's because getting some sex supersedes the desire to rant with some mansplaining---we do that after.
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I'll get around to that thread eventually. ;)
 
TheGoverness said:
Henrin.
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Except of course he is making things up.

It should also be noted that beefheart is a perfect example for one of the points made in the OP. Almost all of his posts were not directed towards the topic, but directed towards me personally in the attempt to shut down the discussion.
 
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