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Psychics, Mediums, etc....

Risky Thicket said:
Darlin', I said that most of the air conditioning repair charlatans live in Arizona. :wink: That's probably documented somewhere. LOL!

Sedona is crawling with people with names like Moon Moon, Sister Earth Love, Zorbon 3 and La La Flower, all who claim to have supernatural powers. I wouldn't pay any of them a dollar to name a really good place for lunch. There are still some wonderful things about Sedona, but the place is ate up with whacked out crazies who claim to have a line to the spirit world. All them are ****ed up as far as I know. Sedona, up around Flag and down in Patagonia are where you usually find most of the people who claim to be worth paying for their psychic abilities. I suppose there are some in Phoenix as well. They probably have real names like Allison Dubois.

Allison Dubois, I've never heard of. I looked her up and apparently she lives in Phoenix. She was born in Phoenix and went to Arizona State University and was determined to be a psychic by a prof at the University of Arizona, which is in Tucson. The U of A is a fine university. It really is. But, I've never heard of Dubois. Frankly, I'd be more inclined to dig into the research about her if it was a professor from the University of Virginia who determined her to be psychic.

I used to read quite a bit on the subject from people like Dr. J.B. Rhine, Arthur Ford, Dr. Brian Weiss, Ruth Montgomery, Dr. Raymond Moody and Edgar Cayce. But, I haven't read anything of note in a while now. Dubois may be the real deal, but I'd don't know anything about her.
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I'd never heard of her either, until a TV show came on called Medium. It was based on her life, and many of the episodes dealt with real visions she had. Of course there are skeptics - there always will be. This thread is a perfect example of that. :lol: I just wondered if she was who you were talking about.

And yeah, my husband told me all about Sedona. Don't know about all the psychics and stuff there, but he said that the times he was there, everything felt different. Just a different vibe going on there, more electrical or something. It was hard to explain.
 
I think everybody is a little psychic, or sensitive, or whatever you want to call it. It explains oddities that are normally just brushed off. I'd love to know the number of people that just had a bad feeling on the morning of 9/11, and didn't go to work. In the twin towers, I'd heard reports that upwards of 50,000 people would be in both towers by that time of the morning. How many people died that day - less than 3,000 between the towers, the planes and the Pentagon.

That's what I have, more than anything. Same with my Mom. Just bad feelings - feelings that keep me from doing something. I don't question it, either. A few months ago, I had to run into Kingsland, a small town about a half hour from me. Usually to get there, I take I-95 south. This particular morning, I had this sick, awful feeling about getting on I-95. Nothing huge. No bells or sirens going off. Just a bad feeling. As I said, I listen to my bad feelings, so I took 17S. Was there a massive 50 car pileup on I-95 that day? Nah. Is it possible that had I gotten on I-95 that day something could have happened? Sure. Also there's a chance that nothing was going to happen. But my Momma didn't raise no fool.
 
All are frauds but some may be fooling themselves as well as the mark. Astrologers, crystal healers etc are all frauds also. Placebos work.

Last year I set out to learn the skills used by "psychics," which are called cold reading techniques. After doing some research and with a minimal amount of practice I was able to effectively fool people. I'm sure I can much better with practice.
 
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Superfly said:
I think everybody is a little psychic, or sensitive, or whatever you want to call it. It explains oddities that are normally just brushed off. I'd love to know the number of people that just had a bad feeling on the morning of 9/11, and didn't go to work. In the twin towers, I'd heard reports that upwards of 50,000 people would be in both towers by that time of the morning. How many people died that day - less than 3,000 between the towers, the planes and the Pentagon. l.
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Didn't you hear? All the Jews stayed home that day because they had advanced warning from the conspiracy.



(NO I do not believe this nonsense, it has been thoroughly debunked)
 
"At JREF, we offer a one-million-dollar prize to anyone who can show, under proper observing conditions, evidence of any paranormal, supernatural, or occult power or event. The JREF does not involve itself in the testing procedure, other than helping to design the protocol and approving the conditions under which a test will take place. All tests are designed with the participation and approval of the applicant. In most cases, the applicant will be asked to perform a relatively simple preliminary test of the claim, which if successful, will be followed by the formal test. Preliminary tests are usually conducted by associates of the JREF at the site where the applicant lives. Upon success in the preliminary testing process, the "applicant" becomes a "claimant."

To date, no one has passed the preliminary tests."

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For those who argue that tests like those JREF perform are not valid because of the elusive nature of the supernatural: Perhaps there are some "supernatural" type phenomena/abilities that are scientific unexplainable. However, if they can not be empirically verified then one has to conclude that these phenomena/abilities are not reliable enough for anyone to be charging people for providing "psychic" or other "supernatural" services. The phenomena/abilities do not have to work 100% of the time to be considered scientifically valid, they just need to work significantly more than random chance would allow.
 
Josie said:
Are some of them for real? Are they all frauds? Discuss.
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I would say most are frauds and the worst just try to separate you and your money. But there are some who really believe in what they are doing, who really believe they can see the future or communicate with the dead. Perhaps some can.
 
Hard Truth said:
For those who argue that tests like those JREF perform are not valid because of the elusive nature of the supernatural: Perhaps there are some "supernatural" type phenomena/abilities that are scientific unexplainable. However, if they can not be empirically verified then one has to conclude that these phenomena/abilities are not reliable enough for anyone to be charging people for providing "psychic" or other "supernatural" services. The phenomena/abilities do not have to work 100% of the time to be considered scientifically valid, they just need to work significantly more than random chance would allow.
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And the person being tested can help in designing the test. Both the tester and the person being tested have to agree on the protocol. And like you said, they don't have to be right 100% of the time.

Here is my issue, not only has nobody been able to prove their powers under testable conditions, but there are NUMEROUS magicians who can do the exact same things these so called psychics can do using tricks, misdirection, clever wording, and understanding of human behavior.

There is a reason you will be hard pressed to find a magician who believes in this stuff. But laymen are easy to fool.
 
Maybe they just don't want to be treated like a science project. :shrug: It's a possibility.
 
Risky Thicket said:
Huh? Private people who live everyday lives, who experience degrees of paranormal sensitivity or ability and rarely if ever talk about it to other people, are frauds? LOL! How does that work?
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Because you cannot demonstrate that any of them actually experience anything of the sort. Empty claims, without objective evidence, are not impressive.
 
Superfly said:
Or be called a fraud or a charlatan. :shrug:
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Well, I'm quite sure a LOT of them are, and that's probably not an easy thing to prove because it might not be so easy to control all the time, or it's more vague than say bending a spoon or what not. I don't know, but it is an interesting topic for sure!
 
ChrisL said:
Well, I'm quite sure a LOT of them are, and that's probably not an easy thing to prove because it might not be so easy to control all the time, or it's more vague than say bending a spoon or what not. I don't know, but it is an interesting topic for sure!
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Well if I were psychic, I certainly wouldn't want anyone knowing.
 
I believe it's possible for some (rare) humans to have capacities beyond the norm. Edgar Cayce could very well have been one such person. I don't believe someone with such "powers" would necessarily consider them to be a gift. Imagine having visions of a horrible earthquake or trainwreck that is beyond one's power to stop. Could drive a person mad.

I agree that someone with an extraordinary power would not advertise in the phone book, nor seek to profit from it.
 
DiAnna said:
I believe it's possible for some (rare) humans to have capacities beyond the norm. Edgar Cayce could very well have been one such person. I don't believe someone with such "powers" would necessarily consider them to be a gift. Imagine having visions of a horrible earthquake or trainwreck that is beyond one's power to stop. Could drive a person mad.

I agree that someone with an extraordinary power would not advertise in the phone book, nor seek to profit from it.
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Well, going back to that TV show that was based on Allison Dubois' life - she was very upset about it. She didn't advertise, but worked closely with the Maricopa County DA's office and the Phoenix PD. The people who knew about her was limited to a select few. She drank when she didn't want to see train wrecks, or earthquakes. Drinking always kept the dreams away, in the show at least.

I know, I know it's just a TV show, but it's based on a real person, so I have to think there's some truth to it.
 
Superfly said:
Well, going back to that TV show that was based on Allison Dubois' life - she was very upset about it. She didn't advertise, but worked closely with the Maricopa County DA's office and the Phoenix PD. The people who knew about her was limited to a select few. She drank when she didn't want to see train wrecks, or earthquakes. Drinking always kept the dreams away, in the show at least.

I know, I know it's just a TV show, but it's based on a real person, so I have to think there's some truth to it.
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Being "sensitive" is pretty hard on a person. It's difficult to tell if it's just your imagination, or if you should pay attention to it. I'm sure that can be difficult to deal with, and still keep your sanity. I have a good friend who seems to be pretty freaking sensitive, specifically just after someone he knows has died. I've known the guy for about 25 years, and he's good as gold, but he has a serious problem with drinking, and after all this time, I think I understand why.
 
Cephus said:
Because you cannot demonstrate that any of them actually experience anything of the sort. Empty claims, without objective evidence, are not impressive.
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Yeah, ok, sure. :?
 
Superfly said:
Right, Cephus, and because I've never actually seen a million dollars, it's not real.
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You've seen a dollar, you just have to have a million of them. You know that a million dollars exists, it's demonstrable and testable.

Try doing that with psychics.
 
Well, I certainly believe in mediums, but I'm going to have to lose a few pounds for them to fit comfortably.
 
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