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Christian organizations labeled hate groups, What does everyone think?[W:137]

It's a necessary function of broader social policy wars.
 
I'm pretty sure being anti-(insert minority) makes you a hate group.....
 
I don't think we have ever seen an anti-Christian thread on here before, have we?


As we all know, the Southern Poverty Law Center has fallen into extreme disrepair in the past twenty years.
 
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I think some Christians would detest those groups being referred to as "Christian organizations". Of course, the KKK is technically a "Christian organization" so I guess that is where we are.
 
Being that the SPLW classifies virtually anyone who doesn't march lock-step with those we refer to as ideological liberals these days, as a hate group, I don't put much stock in their classification of anything whatsoever.
 
Being that the SPLW classifies virtually anyone who doesn't march lock-step with those we refer to as ideological liberals these days, as a hate group, I don't put much stock in their classification of anything whatsoever.



Game. Set. Match.


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Its interesting how obsessed with homosexuality some of these groups are. It appears there are a lot of self hating closet cases out there among religious leaders. (I think by now everyone knows that research indicates that gay haters have more homosexual desires than other non-gays)

Its also noteworthy that many of those groups also are anti-Muslim, despite sharing most of the same viewpoints on sex and cultural freedom with fundamentalist Muslim extremists.
 
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I don't think we have ever seen an anti-Christian thread on here before, have we?


As we all know, the Southern Poverty Law Center has fallen into extreme disrepair in the past twenty years.

I doubt that these groups represent more than 5% of Christians in the USA.

Did you actually read the report? It seems pretty accurate and reasonable.
 
I don't think we have ever seen an anti-Christian thread on here before, have we?


As we all know, the Southern Poverty Law Center has fallen into extreme disrepair in the past twenty years.
This is an anti hate group thread. AFA and other hate groups do not represent majority of christians.
 
What do I think?

I think that the Southern Poverty Law Center is a hypocritical quasi-fascist organization dominated by P.C. Left Wing control freaks. However, this is hardly news.

Did you read the report?
 
Did you read the report?

Yes. I didn't see anything that would cause me to label most of these organizations as being "hate groups."

If the mere act of distributing wildly absurd and factually incorrect propaganda aimed against particular social or ethnic groups was enough to grant a given organization that title, Moveon.org and PETA would just as easily qualify as any of the groups named in that list.

Hell! Occupy Wall Street would probably count as a "hate group" as well.
 
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Yes. I didn't see anything that would cause me to label most of these organizations as being "hate groups."

So calling for gays to be killed doesn't qualify a group as a hate group, IYO?

If the mere act of distributing wildly absurd and factually incorrect propaganda aimed against particular social or ethnic groups was enough to grant a given organization that title, Moveon.org and PETA would just as easily qualify as any of the groups named in that list.

Really? Which social or ethnic group did Moveon and PETA target?

Hell! Occupy Wall Street would probably count as a "hate group" as well.

Really? Which social or ethnic group did OWS target?
 
Yes. I didn't see anything that would cause me to label most of these organizations as being "hate groups."

If the mere act of distributing wildly absurd and factually incorrect propaganda aimed against particular social or ethnic groups was enough to grant a given organization that title, Moveon.org and PETA would just as easily qualify as any of the groups named in that list.

Hell! Occupy Wall Street would probably count as a "hate group" as well.
We have a different logic. I see presenting blatant falsehoods about a group of people as being grounds for being labeled a hate group. I do not follow peta and move on but if they do the same they should be on the same list. The military, and law enforcement respect SPLC's opinions. I say this is progress.
 
So calling for gays to be killed doesn't qualify a group as a hate group, IYO?

Which group in particular called for that? None of the first five groups listed were guilty of anything remotely in the same category as what you describe.

As a matter of fact, the worst they were responsible for was spewing a lot of silly rhetoric involving "gay" Nazism and alleged shorter homosexual lifespans.

Really? Which social or ethnic group did Moveon and PETA target?

Republican politicians/voters and the human race in general, respectively.

If you're going to label any group that opposes homosexuality as being a "hate group," it would make sense to label these kinds of organizations as being the same thing.

Really? Which social or ethnic group did OWS target?

The "1%."

In any case, you're missing my point.

I'm not saying that OWS should be labeled as a "hate group" for its beliefs. I'm saying that, keeping in line with the SPLC's given logic, there is really no good reason why most of the groups listed in the OP article should be considered to be "hate groups" while organizations like OWS and PETA are not.

These organizations are just as vicious and hateful in the rhetoric they churn out as any of the Christian organizations mentioned on that list.

Just about the only consistent thing about the Southern Poverty Law Center's proclamations is that they almost universally target Conservative organizations. I hardly think that this is a coincidence.
 
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Which group in particular called for that? None of the first five groups listed were guilty of anything remotely in the same category as what you describe.

As a matter of fact, the worst they were responsible for was spewing a lot of silly rhetoric involving "gay" Nazism and alleged shorter homosexual lifespans

The 4th group:
As a practical matter, that means American Vision, which describes its goal as “restor[ing] America’s Biblical foundation,” backs the death penalty for practicing homosexuals.

DeMar has modified that dictum slightly in the past, saying that homosexuals wouldn’t all be executed under a “reconstructed” government, but that he did believe that the occasional execution of “sodomites” would serve society well because “the law that requires the death penalty for homosexual acts effectively drives the perversion of homosexuality underground, back into the closet.” More recently, while hosting American Vision’s “The Gary DeMar Show” in December 2009, Joel McDurmon, the group’s research director, agreed that the Bible does call for killing homosexuals. And, he said, “when most of a society is Christian, is biblical, then it [execution of gays] is perfectly normal; it should definitely be in place.”

The 5th


Rushdoony supported the death penalty for homosexuals, among other “abominators.” He also opposed what he called “unequal yoking” — interracial marriage — and “enforced integration,” insisting that “[a]ll men are NOT created equal before God” (the Bible, he explained, “recognizes that some people are by nature slaves”). Rushdoony also denied the Holocaust, saying the murder of 6 million Jews was “false witness.”

Rushdoony’s Reconstruction is indeed radical, even including “incorrigible children” among those deserving death
If you're going to label any group that opposes homosexuality as being a "hate group," it would make sense to label these kinds of organizations as being the same thing.



The "1%."

Not a social or ethnic group.

In any case, you're missing my point.

I'm not saying that OWS should be labeled as a "hate group" for its beliefs. I'm saying that, keeping in line with the SPLC's given logic, there is really no good reason why most of the groups listed in the OP article should be considered to be "hate groups" while organizations like OWS and PETA are not.

These organizations are just as vicious and hateful in the rhetoric they churn out as any of the Christian organizations mentioned on that list.

Just about the only consistent thing about the Southern Poverty Law Center's proclamations is that they almost universally target Conservative organizations. I hardly think that this is a coincidence.

SO in addition to not knowing what a social group is, or an ethnic group is, or what a hate group is, you have to maintain your support for some of the most vile people in the US by pretending that the SPLC doesn't have a list of leftwing hate groups

Defending these disgusting POE's simply because of your hatred of the SPLC is a despicable example of partisanship.
 
What do I think?

I think that the Southern Poverty Law Center is a massively hypocritical quasi-fascist organization run by P.C. Left Wing control freaks. However, this is hardly news.

They are "fascists"? But they go after fascists via legal means! :doh
 
The 4th group:

The 5th

Fine. My mistake. However, that still does not excuse the presence of the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd entries on the list.

As a matter of fact, of the eighteen organizations listed, only a total of three actually directly support the killing of homosexuals. An additional two can simply be associated with groups that do.

This is hardly a convincing argument for classifying most of the organizations the SPLC listed as being "hate groups."

Not a social or ethnic group.

"Class" is the very definition of a "social group." :roll:

You might want to brush up on your humanities.

OWS has also engaged in high profile acts of deliberate violence against the groups it targets on numerous occasions. How many of the groups on the SPLC's list have done the same?

SO in addition to not knowing what a social group is, or an ethnic group is, or what a hate group is,

God I wish we were in the basement right now...

In any case, you're not only wrong, but stupidly wrong. I can't exactly say that I'm surprised given your posting history.

you have to maintain your support for some of the most vile people in the US by pretending that the SPLC doesn't have a list of leftwing hate groups

Feel free to provide that list.

In any case, the simple fact of the matter remains that the SPLC has a proven history of going out of its way to deliberately target Conservative and Traditionalist organizations while often turning a blind eye to Left Wing organizations which are guilty of the exact same things, if not worse.

While I'm sure that they have also labeled a few Left Wing organizations as being "hate groups" over the course of their history, there can be little doubt that the SPLC's overall modus operandi only really benefits the Far Left of the American political spectrum. This is by design.

Defending these disgusting POE's simply because of your hatred of the SPLC is a despicable example of partisanship.

A) It's pretty readily apparent that you don't even know what a "Poe" is.

B) I haven't been "defending" or "supporting" anyone. I am simply pointing out the fact that the SPLC's proclamations can be shown to lack a certain degree of credibility. The organization has a very bad habit of lumping non-violent groups which simply happen to disagree with its ideology or hold controversial opinions in with legitimate hate groups that can actually be shown to be dangerous to society at large.

The Westboro Baptist Church is a legitimate "hate group." The Family Research Council simply is not.

They are "fascists"? But they go after fascists via legal means! :doh

Attempting to suppress freedom of discourse and expression is a "fascistic" endeavor by its very nature.

I'm also not sure why you would bring "law" into the discussion at all. The crimes of most Fascist regimes tend to be perfectly "legal" within their own nations.
 
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Attempting to suppress freedom of discourse and expression is a "fascistic" endeavor by its very nature.
They arent suppressing anyone "freedom of discourse and expression"

I'm also not sure why you would bring "law" into the discussion at all. The crimes of most Fascist regimes tend to be perfectly "legal" within their own nations.
Its because what they do...
 
They arent suppressing anyone "freedom of discourse and expression"

Of course they are. It's their whole purpose. The kinds of "anti-hate speech" laws the SPLC supports are always going to run contrary to the idea of "free speech".

The SPLC might not have the actual power to enforce the effective gag orders it supports, but it certainly lobbies in that general direction.
 
Fine. My mistake. However, that still does not excuse the presence of the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd entries on the list.

We've already established that you don't know what a "hate group" is, so there was no need for you to confirm this with additional silliness from you

As a matter of fact, of the eighteen organizations listed, only a total of three actually directly support the killing of homosexuals. An additional two can simply be associated with groups that do.

This is hardly a convincing argument for classifying most of these organizations as "hate groups."

So you think that hate groups must support the killing of people in order to be a hate group?

See my 1st comment


"Class" is the very definition of a "social group." :roll:

Actually it's not. It is an economic group (AKA "class"). But we have already established that you don't know what the term "social or ethnic group" means.

You might want to brush up on your humanities.

You should brush up on your humanity

OWS has also actually engaged in high profile acts of legitimate violence against the groups it targets. How many of the groups on that list have done the same?

LOL!!



Feel free to provide that list.

In any case, the simple fact of the matter remains that the SPLC has a proven history of going out of its way to deliberate target Conservative and Traditionalist organizations while often turning a blind eye to Left Wing organizations which are guilty of the exact same things, if not worse.

While I'm sure that they have also labeled a few Left Wing organizations as being "hate groups" over the course of their history, there can be little doubt that the SPLC's overall modus operandi only really benefits the Far Left of the American political spectrum. This is by design.

Black Separatist | Southern Poverty Law Center

And again, your support for hate groups is motivated by partisanship. You don't get more despicable than that.




A) It's pretty readily apparent that you don't even know what a "Poe" is.

B) I haven't been "defending" or "supporting" anyone. I am simply pointing out the fact that the SPLC's proclamations can be shown to lack a certain degree of credibility. The organization has a very bad habit of lumping non-violent groups which simply happen to disagree with its ideology or hold controversial opinions in with legitimate hate groups that can actually be shown to be dangerous to society at large.

The Westboro Baptist Church is a legitimate "hate group." The Family Research Council simply is not.

And there you go again, defending hate groups.

Here's what you're defending now
Perkins has his own unusual history. In 1996, while managing the U.S. Senate campaign of Republican State Rep. Louis “Woody” Jenkins of Louisiana, Perkins paid $82,500 to use the mailing list of former Klan chieftain David Duke. The campaign was fined $3,000 (reduced from $82,500) after Perkins and Jenkins filed false disclosure forms in a bid to hide the link to Duke. Five years later, on May 17, 2001, Perkins gave a speech to the Louisiana chapter of the Council of Conservative Citizens (CCC), a white supremacist group that has described black people as a “retrograde species of humanity.”

Perkins is a POE.



Attempting to suppress freedom of discourse and expression is a "fascistic" endeavor by its very nature.

I'm also not sure why you would bring "law" into the discussion at all. The crimes of most Fascist regimes tend to be perfectly "legal" within their own nations.

At least you recognize that your desire to suppress the SPLC's discourse is fascistic in nature.
 
Of course they are. It's their whole purpose. The kinds of "anti-hate speech" laws the SPLC supports are always going to run contrary to the idea of "free speech".

The SPLC might not have the actual power to enforce the effective gag orders it supports, but it certainly lobbies in that general direction.
No they dont. They label certain groups hate groups, they track their activity, monitor what they are doing, who they are. They are currently going after a lot of "conversion therapy" anti gay groups and going after for ethical law suits.
Whats interesting about this is that ill actually being working the SPLC this summer
 

It's not "hate" until a group uses politics and law to deny a group rights given to everyone else in America.

Christians can not condone gay marriage. But that doesn't mean they can use LAW to prevent gay marriage. And LAW can not force a Christian to marry a gay couple.

The Bible teaches "free will" not forced religion. In fact the people in the Bible that tried to force religion got confronted, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone". It's "Do not judge or be judged". EVERYONE sins. What makes this sin more important than my sins? How would you feel if someone made a law to prevent you from your particular sins?

I'm a Christian and I can't condone gay marriage. But I won't use LAW to stop it. I will use good example.
 
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