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Being that the SPLW classifies virtually anyone who doesn't march lock-step with those we refer to as ideological liberals these days, as a hate group, I don't put much stock in their classification of anything whatsoever.
I don't think we have ever seen an anti-Christian thread on here before, have we?
As we all know, the Southern Poverty Law Center has fallen into extreme disrepair in the past twenty years.
This is an anti hate group thread. AFA and other hate groups do not represent majority of christians.I don't think we have ever seen an anti-Christian thread on here before, have we?
As we all know, the Southern Poverty Law Center has fallen into extreme disrepair in the past twenty years.
What do I think?
I think that the Southern Poverty Law Center is a hypocritical quasi-fascist organization dominated by P.C. Left Wing control freaks. However, this is hardly news.
Did you read the report?
Yes. I didn't see anything that would cause me to label most of these organizations as being "hate groups."
If the mere act of distributing wildly absurd and factually incorrect propaganda aimed against particular social or ethnic groups was enough to grant a given organization that title, Moveon.org and PETA would just as easily qualify as any of the groups named in that list.
Hell! Occupy Wall Street would probably count as a "hate group" as well.
We have a different logic. I see presenting blatant falsehoods about a group of people as being grounds for being labeled a hate group. I do not follow peta and move on but if they do the same they should be on the same list. The military, and law enforcement respect SPLC's opinions. I say this is progress.Yes. I didn't see anything that would cause me to label most of these organizations as being "hate groups."
If the mere act of distributing wildly absurd and factually incorrect propaganda aimed against particular social or ethnic groups was enough to grant a given organization that title, Moveon.org and PETA would just as easily qualify as any of the groups named in that list.
Hell! Occupy Wall Street would probably count as a "hate group" as well.
So calling for gays to be killed doesn't qualify a group as a hate group, IYO?
Really? Which social or ethnic group did Moveon and PETA target?
Really? Which social or ethnic group did OWS target?
Which group in particular called for that? None of the first five groups listed were guilty of anything remotely in the same category as what you describe.
As a matter of fact, the worst they were responsible for was spewing a lot of silly rhetoric involving "gay" Nazism and alleged shorter homosexual lifespans
As a practical matter, that means American Vision, which describes its goal as “restor[ing] America’s Biblical foundation,” backs the death penalty for practicing homosexuals.
DeMar has modified that dictum slightly in the past, saying that homosexuals wouldn’t all be executed under a “reconstructed” government, but that he did believe that the occasional execution of “sodomites” would serve society well because “the law that requires the death penalty for homosexual acts effectively drives the perversion of homosexuality underground, back into the closet.” More recently, while hosting American Vision’s “The Gary DeMar Show” in December 2009, Joel McDurmon, the group’s research director, agreed that the Bible does call for killing homosexuals. And, he said, “when most of a society is Christian, is biblical, then it [execution of gays] is perfectly normal; it should definitely be in place.”
Rushdoony supported the death penalty for homosexuals, among other “abominators.” He also opposed what he called “unequal yoking” — interracial marriage — and “enforced integration,” insisting that “[a]ll men are NOT created equal before God” (the Bible, he explained, “recognizes that some people are by nature slaves”). Rushdoony also denied the Holocaust, saying the murder of 6 million Jews was “false witness.”
Rushdoony’s Reconstruction is indeed radical, even including “incorrigible children” among those deserving death
If you're going to label any group that opposes homosexuality as being a "hate group," it would make sense to label these kinds of organizations as being the same thing.
The "1%."
In any case, you're missing my point.
I'm not saying that OWS should be labeled as a "hate group" for its beliefs. I'm saying that, keeping in line with the SPLC's given logic, there is really no good reason why most of the groups listed in the OP article should be considered to be "hate groups" while organizations like OWS and PETA are not.
These organizations are just as vicious and hateful in the rhetoric they churn out as any of the Christian organizations mentioned on that list.
Just about the only consistent thing about the Southern Poverty Law Center's proclamations is that they almost universally target Conservative organizations. I hardly think that this is a coincidence.
What do I think?
I think that the Southern Poverty Law Center is a massively hypocritical quasi-fascist organization run by P.C. Left Wing control freaks. However, this is hardly news.
The 4th group:
The 5th
Not a social or ethnic group.
SO in addition to not knowing what a social group is, or an ethnic group is, or what a hate group is,
you have to maintain your support for some of the most vile people in the US by pretending that the SPLC doesn't have a list of leftwing hate groups
Defending these disgusting POE's simply because of your hatred of the SPLC is a despicable example of partisanship.
They are "fascists"? But they go after fascists via legal means! :doh
They arent suppressing anyone "freedom of discourse and expression"Attempting to suppress freedom of discourse and expression is a "fascistic" endeavor by its very nature.
Its because what they do...I'm also not sure why you would bring "law" into the discussion at all. The crimes of most Fascist regimes tend to be perfectly "legal" within their own nations.
They arent suppressing anyone "freedom of discourse and expression"
Fine. My mistake. However, that still does not excuse the presence of the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd entries on the list.
As a matter of fact, of the eighteen organizations listed, only a total of three actually directly support the killing of homosexuals. An additional two can simply be associated with groups that do.
This is hardly a convincing argument for classifying most of these organizations as "hate groups."
"Class" is the very definition of a "social group." :roll:
You might want to brush up on your humanities.
OWS has also actually engaged in high profile acts of legitimate violence against the groups it targets. How many of the groups on that list have done the same?
Feel free to provide that list.
In any case, the simple fact of the matter remains that the SPLC has a proven history of going out of its way to deliberate target Conservative and Traditionalist organizations while often turning a blind eye to Left Wing organizations which are guilty of the exact same things, if not worse.
While I'm sure that they have also labeled a few Left Wing organizations as being "hate groups" over the course of their history, there can be little doubt that the SPLC's overall modus operandi only really benefits the Far Left of the American political spectrum. This is by design.
A) It's pretty readily apparent that you don't even know what a "Poe" is.
B) I haven't been "defending" or "supporting" anyone. I am simply pointing out the fact that the SPLC's proclamations can be shown to lack a certain degree of credibility. The organization has a very bad habit of lumping non-violent groups which simply happen to disagree with its ideology or hold controversial opinions in with legitimate hate groups that can actually be shown to be dangerous to society at large.
The Westboro Baptist Church is a legitimate "hate group." The Family Research Council simply is not.
Perkins has his own unusual history. In 1996, while managing the U.S. Senate campaign of Republican State Rep. Louis “Woody” Jenkins of Louisiana, Perkins paid $82,500 to use the mailing list of former Klan chieftain David Duke. The campaign was fined $3,000 (reduced from $82,500) after Perkins and Jenkins filed false disclosure forms in a bid to hide the link to Duke. Five years later, on May 17, 2001, Perkins gave a speech to the Louisiana chapter of the Council of Conservative Citizens (CCC), a white supremacist group that has described black people as a “retrograde species of humanity.”
Attempting to suppress freedom of discourse and expression is a "fascistic" endeavor by its very nature.
I'm also not sure why you would bring "law" into the discussion at all. The crimes of most Fascist regimes tend to be perfectly "legal" within their own nations.
Of course they are. It's their whole purpose. The kinds of "anti-hate speech" laws the SPLC supports
No they dont. They label certain groups hate groups, they track their activity, monitor what they are doing, who they are. They are currently going after a lot of "conversion therapy" anti gay groups and going after for ethical law suits.Of course they are. It's their whole purpose. The kinds of "anti-hate speech" laws the SPLC supports are always going to run contrary to the idea of "free speech".
The SPLC might not have the actual power to enforce the effective gag orders it supports, but it certainly lobbies in that general direction.