See.. if you WERE a physician.. as you claim.. you would understand my point regarding the definition of critical care and Ludin's proposed plan.
LOL, "if I were a physician", huh? Well...I'm sorry, but fake, wannabe, anonymous message board "doctors" don't get to question real ones. You're just upset and embarrassed because I keep calling you out for the fake terms you're using in order to portray yourself as a "medical provider". Most recently, I just asked you to tell us all how you define "critical care", and what exactly is "Cancer Critical Care" term you just invented. But, true to form, you couldn't answer ANY simple question, so you responded with personal remarks directed at me, in order to change the subject. Dodge, Deflect and Dissemble. That's all you can do, I guess. You're a widget salesman, Jaeger. Accept it, and move on.
I have no need to defend or prove anything here. My veracity is well established. However.. I will answer you as its relevant to the discussion on this thread.
:lamo Isn't it funny that you keep talking about your "credibility". You have no credibility "here", for sure. You won't even answer simple questions based upon your own previous bloviations, Jaeger.
That's because what insurance/medical community.. defines as "critical care".. and the public (such as Ludin) defines as critical care are usually quite different.
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This might be your weakest dodge, yet. Only a widget salesman with no respect for science or the medical profession would say something this ridiculous. You've got it very much twisted. Medical terms and definition, like the term "critical care", are not defined by "the public". Medical professionals define medical terms, and it's the responsibility of "the public" (like you) to use them as defined. What separates you from Ludin doesn't PRETEND to be something he's not. I guess it must really suck for you that I happened to come along and read your fake-medical provider drivel, huh?
This is very important when discussing proposals for a government healthcare plan that covers "critical care".
...the actual definition of critical care is
Is providing immediate care and close monitoring and assessment of a patient that has an illness or injury that acutely impairs the function of one or more vital organ systems in a way that causes a life threatening condition or can cause a high likelihood of an imminent deterioration to a life threatening condition.
OMG!.....well, let me just say that, as a man who has spent the last 25+ years in emergency rooms and ICU's, it was very pleasing to me that you just quoted-almost VERBATIM-the CPT definition of "critical illness" which is quoted on the website of the American College of Emergency Physicians. Isn't that what "we" academic physicians call "plagiarism", Jaeger? Here's the direct quote from ACEP's FAQ page (which, you CLEARLY just Googled, :lamo):
...a critical illness or injury as an illness or injury that acutely impairs one or more vital organ systems such that there is a high probability of imminent or life threatening deterioration in the patient's condition. Critical care services are defined as a physician's direct delivery of medical care for a critically ill or critically injured patient.
So, basically, you just googled "critical illness" and then added "providing care for a patient that has..." as a prefix to that definition. That's too funny! But since you went to such lengths to protect your ego, let me help you out a bit. For us REAL doctors, Critical Care is defined much more succinctly as simply ANY thing requiring ICU care. THAT is what Critical Care is. That said, contrary to your previous remarks, there is NO such thing as "Cancer Critical Care". Critical care is critical care, regardless of the patient's medical diagnosis. If they require ICU care, of any kind, it's "Critical Care".
So.. as I pointed out to Ludin.. most of cancer care.. would not fit into this definition. Much less things like blowing an ACL, or your rotator cuff.. etc..
Oh, stop lying. You told Ludin that "Cancer critical care" is not the same as critical care.......which was pure nonsense. There is no such thing as "cancer critical care". Critical care is critical care. Period. And the examples you raised in responding to Ludin were equally ridiculous. You REALLY need to stop playing doctor on the internet. You've already made a fool of yourself several times over.