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Trump's quest to kill Obamacare hurts the middle class

MTAtech said:
And 38% still support him. I find that the shocking part.
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Not shocking at all. Support the lesser of two evils. I am shocked the Hillary did as well in the elections as she did.
 
Lord of Planar said:
Not shocking at all. Support the lesser of two evils. I am shocked the Hillary did as well in the elections as she did.
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Hillary is history. The election is over, and now she's irrelevant.

Yet, 38% actually support the current administration? How can that be? And, most of that 38% are Republicans. What will the Trump administration do to the Republican Party? I'm guessing it won't be pretty.
 
Lord of Planar said:
Not shocking at all. Support the lesser of two evils. I am shocked the Hillary did as well in the elections as she did.
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It's shocking to me now that after we see that Trump's temperament, dishonesty and incompetence is everything the Democrats said he will be, there are still people who think that HRC was the worst of two evils. That takes an extra dose of delusion.

But that's all in the past. Now that we all see what Trump has done, 38% still support him. How can a middle-class person still support a guy who said he would make healthcare 'terrific' but is doing his best to destroy the entire insurance market out of spite? How can a middle-class American, who voted for Trump because he said he wasn't going to lower taxes on the rich but would lower them on the middle class, still support him when he completely reneged on that promise (just like the Dems said he would?)
 
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Dittohead not! said:
The premiums were going up before anyone even heard of Obama. Premiums have been going up faster than inflation for decades. Thanks to Trump "fixing" Obamacare, now they'll go up even faster. Thanks, Trump.
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Thanks Obama You sure screwed up our healthcare!
 
Kathleen Sebelius, HHS secretary under Obama pointed out some good benefits of ACA in 2012 to 2016, in a talk at AU.

" the decade before the law was passed, national health expenditures increased about 7 percent a year. But in the past two years, those increases have dropped to less than 4 percent per year, saving Americans more than $220 billion. And that trend is expected to continue, with health-care costs projected to stay level as a share of gross domestic product from 2009 all the way through 2013.


You can see the same trend with premiums. Between 2000 and 2009, the average family premium more than doubled, from $6,438 to $13,375, an annual increase of 8.1 percent. From 2009 to 2011, family premiums still rose — but at a rate 25 percent lower. That generated savings of more than $1,200 per family, a trend of lower premium increases that independent experts such as Mercer, the human resources consultant, and the nonprofit National Business Group on Health project will continue. And the law will provide even more relief in the years to come, including a tax cut averaging $4,000 for 18 million middle-class Americans — a tax break that repeal would eliminate.:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin.../gJQA1BOOZW_story.html?utm_term=.fe241fc2f079
 
Gladiator said:
Kathleen Sebelius, HHS secretary under Obama pointed out some good benefits of ACA in 2012 to 2016, in a talk at AU.

" the decade before the law was passed, national health expenditures increased about 7 percent a year. But in the past two years, those increases have dropped to less than 4 percent per year, saving Americans more than $220 billion. And that trend is expected to continue, with health-care costs projected to stay level as a share of gross domestic product from 2009 all the way through 2013.


You can see the same trend with premiums. Between 2000 and 2009, the average family premium more than doubled, from $6,438 to $13,375, an annual increase of 8.1 percent. From 2009 to 2011, family premiums still rose — but at a rate 25 percent lower. That generated savings of more than $1,200 per family, a trend of lower premium increases that independent experts such as Mercer, the human resources consultant, and the nonprofit National Business Group on Health project will continue. And the law will provide even more relief in the years to come, including a tax cut averaging $4,000 for 18 million middle-class Americans — a tax break that repeal would eliminate.:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin.../gJQA1BOOZW_story.html?utm_term=.fe241fc2f079
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Actually it was Sylvia Burwell who I heard on the radio today, talking about the benefits of ACA.


"My concerns are focused on the millions of people across the country who rely on the law for coverage and for the protections it provides. It’s important to note that “repeal and replace” is a campaign slogan. We need to separate this rhetoric from the reality of the Affordable Care Act. Today, more than 20 million people have health insurance who didn’t have it before; no one can be discriminated against based on a pre-existing condition, and restrictions like lifetime and annual coverage limits are a thing of the past. Americans don’t want to go backward, back to a world where women can be charged more for health insurance because of their gender or entrepreneurs have to choose between starting a business venture and staying in a job just to keep a health insurance plan. We can make fixes to the ACA without jeopardizing the health coverage of millions of Americans."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-its-uncertain-future/?utm_term=.0d9a1f8856bb






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Dittohead not! said:
Hillary is history. The election is over, and now she's irrelevant.

Yet, 38% actually support the current administration? How can that be? And, most of that 38% are Republicans. What will the Trump administration do to the Republican Party? I'm guessing it won't be pretty.
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As long as Trump continues to piss off liberals, and also continue to "erase" Obama's legacy, that 38%, mostly Republican voters, will NEVER Abandon him. On the other hand, watching Trump single handily causing the GOP to implode is rather...amusing. That political party deserves what's coming to them, because they created the environment that made a Donald Trump presidency possible.
 
Puigb said:
As long as Trump continues to piss off liberals, and also continue to "erase" Obama's legacy, that 38%, mostly Republican voters, will NEVER Abandon him. On the other hand, watching Trump single handily causing the GOP to implode is rather...amusing. That political party deserves what's coming to them, because they created the environment that made a Donald Trump presidency possible.
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Yes, I like to see both parties get their feathers ruffled...

We need serious change in DC.
 
Lord of Planar said:
Yes, I like to see both parties get their feathers ruffled...

We need serious change in DC.
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We do. Starting with less partisanship.

and less influence from well heeled lobbyists.

and less need for millions of dollars to run for office.

Money is the mother's mild of politics, but that mother's milk needs to be much better controlled.
 
Dittohead not! said:
The premiums were going up before anyone even heard of Obama. Premiums have been going up faster than inflation for decades. Thanks to Trump "fixing" Obamacare, now they'll go up even faster. Thanks, Trump.
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Common Sense 1 said:
Thanks Obama You sure screwed up our healthcare!
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Before last year, premiums under Obamacare were coming in lower than expectations. Since the GOP has been scaring insurance companies about repeal, insurance companies have been building that risk into higher premiums.

Yeah, the GOP's sabotage is all on Obama.
 
MTAtech said:
Before last year, premiums under Obamacare were coming in lower than expectations. Since the GOP has been scaring insurance companies about repeal, insurance companies have been building that risk into higher premiums.

Yeah, the GOP's sabotage is all on Obama.
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Yes, and it's not really even the GOP, which didn't pass the "repeal and replace" that the POTUS wanted. It's really all on one single individual.
 
Lord of Planar said:
Yes, I like to see both parties get their feathers ruffled...

We need serious change in DC.
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I won't argue that. But some wealthy Reality T.V. star isn't the right man to do that.
 
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