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Senate won't vote on GOP health care bill, sources tell CNN

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Washington (CNN) The Senate will not vote on the Graham-Cassidy bill to repeal Obamacare, Majority Leader Mitch McConnell told Republicans in a closed-door meeting, three sources told CNN.

McConnell met with lawmakers Tuesday to take stock of where his members are on the proposal and make the call once and for all if Graham-Cassidy, the latest bill to repeal and replace Obamacare, will get a vote in the Senate.

On Monday, Sen. Susan Collins, a Republican from Maine, finally came out against the bill, a position she'd been teetering toward for days. Sens. John McCain of Arizona and Rand Paul of Kentucky also opposed to the measure.

The calculations for health care are agonizing for McConnell. Putting a controversial bill on the floor without the votes exposes members to political fallout and attack ads. Many Republicans haven't even taken a public position on Graham-Cassidy, a bill that the Congressional Budget Office said Monday would drastically cut Medicaid and lead to millions of people not having health insurance compared to the status quo.

Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/26/politics/health-care-republican-senate-vote/index.html


I don't trust them ... I bet they try something underhanded.
 
Judging by the fate of the last batch of congress critters that passed a major law which messed with the nation's medical care insurance system that was a very wise move.
 
I don't trust them ... I bet they try something underhanded.
My understanding is that they have until September 30th to pass something. After September 30th, it'll become much harder and will require the support of Democrats (which they obviously won't get). I'm not exactly sure what'll prevent them from trying the same tactic next year, but my understanding is that it gets much harder once the new fiscal year begins.
 
My understanding is that they have until September 30th to pass something. After September 30th, it'll become much harder and will require the support of Democrats (which they obviously won't get). I'm not exactly sure what'll prevent them from trying the same tactic next year, but my understanding is that it gets much harder once the new fiscal year begins.

That's because next year is an election year. Americans have short political memories, but even they will remember who got them kicked off their health insurance. The cutbacks in Medicaid that the Republicans have proposed would affect a lot of Trump voters.
 
My understanding is that they have until September 30th to pass something. After September 30th, it'll become much harder and will require the support of Democrats (which they obviously won't get). I'm not exactly sure what'll prevent them from trying the same tactic next year, but my understanding is that it gets much harder once the new fiscal year begins.

I still don't trust them
 
Judging by the fate of the last batch of congress critters that passed a major law which messed with the nation's medical care insurance system that was a very wise move.

The donor class always has it covered either way.
 
I still don't trust them


What's to trust?

A majority of the population favors single payer like the rest of the advanced post industrial world has; better outcomes, more efficient, less expensive.

The donor/"job creator" class and Wall Street do not favor it.

The people lose.

The end.
 
What's to trust?

A majority of the population favors single payer like the rest of the advanced post industrial world has; better outcomes, more efficient, less expensive.

The donor/"job creator" class and Wall Street do not favor it.

The people lose.

The end.

I'm not all in for Single Payer either ... I would like to see more data.

We've had over 60 years to see what doesn't work and we've only had The ACA for less than 10 and we already know what needs to be Fixed.
 
The donor class always has it covered either way.

Exactly, but many pretend that whether the party for a bigger federal government or the party for a huge federal government has the majority in DC at the moment matters more.
 
Its time for Republicans to stop playing games. Their actions on healthcare have been shameful. Its sad that they all know that these bills have been POS...but voted for them anyway in order to save political face. Politics over people should be the new slogan of the GOP. Maybe....just maybe....now they will get down to business and actually accomplish something for the American people....however that is doubtful. It is the GOP afterall.
 
I don't trust them ... I bet they try something underhanded.

Cassidy and Graham are floating the idea of attaching their bill to tax reform. Doing that would again allow the GOP to use reconciliation (51 votes) rules.

There's push back though from Republicans who don't want to risk tax reform due to a healthcare-bill albatross around its legislative neck.
 
My understanding is that they have until September 30th to pass something. After September 30th, it'll become much harder and will require the support of Democrats (which they obviously won't get). I'm not exactly sure what'll prevent them from trying the same tactic next year, but my understanding is that it gets much harder once the new fiscal year begins.
You can quickly tackle 2018 and 2019 budgets to use the same reconciliation process. 2019 budgets can start by early next year.

The decision is whether to bundle tax reform and healthcare into the same bill for any given year. That comes with many procedural issues, along with policy, and political problems.

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What's to trust?

A majority of the population favors single payer like the rest of the advanced post industrial world has; better outcomes, more efficient, less expensive.

The donor/"job creator" class and Wall Street do not favor it.

The people lose.

The end.
There is good reason to be skeptical of single payer, because the delivery method is merely a delivery method. The consequentail aspects are about funding and what is considered mandatory coverage. Sander's plan, for instance, was getting hammered by consumer groups for people with disabilities because it seemed to eliminate and not replace funding for Medicaid 1915c services, which account for about half of all funds that enable people with disabilities to use their 14th amendment right to live in the community (also in the ADA, per Olmstead ruling of 1999).

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The donor class always has it covered either way.

Our very expensive not very good medical system is a money tree for the donor class, they dont want better, and they long ago threw the best interest of America overboard.
 
Our very expensive not very good medical system is a money tree for the donor class, they dont want better, and they long ago threw the best interest of America overboard.
So, uh, how does that square with how you're feeling about Trump's endorsement, albeit nihilistic in nature, of the AHCA, the BCRA, and Graham-Cassidy?

Not even the insurance providers liked it. The political party donors, however, were pushing hard.

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So, uh, how does that square with how you're feeling about Trump's endorsement, albeit nihilistic in nature, of the AHCA, the BCRA, and Graham-Cassidy?

Not even the insurance providers liked it. The political party donors, however, were pushing hard.

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This is way beyond Trumps skill-set, but it does not even matter because Washington is too broken to get things like this done and also the people who own the town are not interested in fixing the problem so nothing productive is possible.

We need to fix Washington before we can do stuff like this, and almost no one is interested in that.

Trump just showed up, yes he is wrong, but I cant get excited about what does not matter.

I was raised to not be a chump.
 
Washington (CNN) The Senate will not vote on the Graham-Cassidy bill to repeal Obamacare, Majority Leader Mitch McConnell told Republicans in a closed-door meeting, three sources told CNN.

McConnell met with lawmakers Tuesday to take stock of where his members are on the proposal and make the call once and for all if Graham-Cassidy, the latest bill to repeal and replace Obamacare, will get a vote in the Senate.

On Monday, Sen. Susan Collins, a Republican from Maine, finally came out against the bill, a position she'd been teetering toward for days. Sens. John McCain of Arizona and Rand Paul of Kentucky also opposed to the measure.

The calculations for health care are agonizing for McConnell. Putting a controversial bill on the floor without the votes exposes members to political fallout and attack ads. Many Republicans haven't even taken a public position on Graham-Cassidy, a bill that the Congressional Budget Office said Monday would drastically cut Medicaid and lead to millions of people not having health insurance compared to the status quo.

Read more: Senate won't vote on GOP health care bill - CNNPolitics


I don't trust them ... I bet they try something underhanded.

This GOP repeal is like the zombie in the bad B movie that keeps coming back and back and back for more. I always suspected Rand Paul would vote for it in the end just like he has done before.
 
Exactly, but many pretend that whether the party for a bigger federal government or the party for a huge federal government has the majority in DC at the moment matters more.

Pfffffffffffffffffffft, you partisan****heads will never figure it out.
 
Our very expensive not very good medical system is a money tree for the donor class, they dont want better, and they long ago threw the best interest of America overboard.

Yup, intentionally.
 
I don't trust them ... I bet they try something underhanded.
They've run out of time to do anything "underhanded."

Even if they eliminated the filibuster, they don't have the votes, and these attempts are all deeply unpopular. I think they're going to give up for a few months.
 
Yup, intentionally.

And way too few Americans are bright enough anymore to understand what their betters are doing to them and their kids, right in front of our faces.

WE USED TO BE BETTER
 
That's because next year is an election year. Americans have short political memories, but even they will remember who got them kicked off their health insurance. The cutbacks in Medicaid that the Republicans have proposed would affect a lot of Trump voters.

So do the ever rising Obamacare premiums.
 
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