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Mitch McConnell Wants Two More Years

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Just heard McConnell on the tv, saying that now he wants to vote for a straight up repeal of the ACA (Obama-Care).
He states that there would be a two year implementation process, so that there can be "a smooth transition." I'm going to round the numbers down. Almost from the vote on the ACA, the GOP has been stating that as soon as they could manage it there would be "repeal and replace." They have had over 5 years to come up with an alternative and now they would have us believe that they can get it done in another two years. Really?
Why in the world would the Senate leadership think that they will get the necessary votes to repeal, when they cannot come to agreement on the bill presented by the House and partied over in the Rose Garden?
 
Rexedgar said:
Just heard McConnell on the tv, saying that now he wants to vote for a straight up repeal of the ACA (Obama-Care).
He states that there would be a two year implementation process, so that there can be "a smooth transition." I'm going to round the numbers down. Almost from the vote on the ACA, the GOP has been stating that as soon as they could manage it there would be "repeal and replace." They have had over 5 years to come up with an alternative and now they would have us believe that they can get it done in another two years. Really?
Why in the world would the Senate leadership think that they will get the necessary votes to repeal, when they cannot come to agreement on the bill presented by the House and partied over in the Rose Garden?
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They can't.

They are searching madly for a political solution to a political problem they've created for themselves.

This has nothing to do with policy.
 
Chomsky said:
They can't.

They are searching madly for a political solution to a political problem they've created for themselves.

This has nothing to do with policy.
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Precisely. The Republican party has become remarkably good at obstructing, but when it comes to actually getting things done, their effectiveness is far less.
 
Oh for the love of humanity, the bill is dead! Repeal and replace is dead! Repeal and run is dead!

Not even the creator of dawn of the dead,the late George Romero, can bring this bill back from the dead.

R.I.P. George.
 
The sad if not pathetic thing is how simple these Republicans have all shown themselves to be.

They've been railing against ACA / Obamacare from the start; as if they could do better.
And now Speaker Ryan and Majority Leader McConnell have proved they can not.

Candidate turned President Trump said so explicitly.
candidate Trump on healthcare: 3 transcripts verified by video / audio sound-bite
"I'm not gunna cut Social Security like every other Republican. I'm not gunna cut Medicare or Medicaid." Candidate Donald Trump 15/05/26

"I am going to take care of everybody. I don't care if it costs me votes or not. Everybody's gunna be taken care of much better than they're taken care of now." Candidate Trump 15/09/27 to CBS Scott Pelly

"You're going to have such great healthcare at a tiny fraction of the cost." candidate Trump 16/10/25 from campaign podium

"We're not gunna have like a 2 day period. And we're not gunna have a 2 year period, where there's nothing. It will be repealed and replaced." President Elect Trump CBS News 16/11/13

"It'll be repeal and replace. It will be essentially simultaneously. It will be various segments you understand but it will most likely be on the same day or the same week but probably the same day. Could be the same hour."
President Elect Trump 17/01/11 @NYC News Conference: source - FNS 17/07/02
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Then AFTER they emerged from their fantasy world, the cold light of reality has cut them to the quick.
“Nobody knew that healthcare could be so complicated.” President Trump
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And now of course they're talking about -repeal now, replace later -, something Trump explicitly ruled out before.

It all simply makes them look foolish.
They had 7 years to work on this.

Their political obstructionism may have been ruthless, but it's hardly time-consuming.
They concocted McConnell (R-KY) Care behind closed doors.
They could have taken a little longer at it than the few months they spent at it. They had most of a decade to do it right.

They look like buffoons!
 
I hope the Republicans decide to do something unheard of and try to work Bipatisan to make ACA work. The ACA isn't even close to being perfect. It is very flawed, but many of those flaws can be fixed if Republicans would just relent trying to be superior and work together. A lot of good can be done to amend ACA in 2 years than risk further embarrassment by promoting a bill you can't get your own people to want, and a potential risk of midterm elections within those 2 years that may put any hopes at all for an appeal out of reach for a long time.
 
MR #6

That's splendid, in a simple world.

But let's take an adult perspective here.

What the Republicans are up to has less to do with improving healthcare for the whole People than it has to do with cutting benefits to the poor, to provide tax cuts to the $rich.

Your observation is correct in principle.
The problem is; though the Democrats might be both willing and eager to do as you suggest,
the Republicans are more interested in benefiting their $wealthy cronies.

And they're willing to knock tens of millions of us out of healthcare coverage to accomplish it.
 
HHS Analysis Finds Cruz Amendment Lowers Premiums, Boosts Enrollment

Sen. Ted Cruz plans to unveil to Senators at a White House meeting on Wednesday an analysis from the Department of Health and Human Services showing his healthcare Consumer Freedom amendment would lower costs and raise individual enrollment, including those considered "high risk." . . . .
 
"HHS Analysis Finds Cruz Amendment Lowers Premiums, Boosts Enrollment" JH #8
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Magnificent!

But does it improve healthcare coverage for the nation? What I've read of it indicates it does not.

sear-care could cover every U.S. citizen, for a fraction of the cost of Cruz-care.

With sear-care, EVERY U.S. citizen is eligible.
Each citizen pays in half of what Cruz' plan requires.
And when healthcare is required. you get a free Band-aid, a self-adhering bandage.

There!

And EVERYone is covered!!

Fabulous!
"HHS Analysis Finds Cruz Amendment Lowers Premiums, Boosts Enrollment" JH #8
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Who is this going to fool?
 
sear said:
MR #6

That's splendid, in a simple world.

But let's take an adult perspective here.

What the Republicans are up to has less to do with improving healthcare for the whole People than it has to do with cutting benefits to the poor, to provide tax cuts to the $rich.

Your observation is correct in principle.
The problem is; though the Democrats might be both willing and eager to do as you suggest,
the Republicans are more interested in benefiting their $wealthy cronies.

And they're willing to knock tens of millions of us out of healthcare coverage to accomplish it.
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My adult perspective was to point out they are at very real risk of losing out their opportunity of doing anything about ACA. Asking for time they may not have, after midterm elections, should be a driving force to do something, and with the infighting, bipartisan support may be the only way to get to any magic number on health care.
 
Phys251 said:
Precisely. The Republican party has become remarkably good at obstructing, but when it comes to actually getting things done, their effectiveness is far less.
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There is really no way to argue with that statement. The criticism by the left of the countless congressional votes to repeal Obamacare was justified--they were nothing but show votes. Now that a president sits in the White House will actually sign the bill, they cant get one to his desk. This is a complete abdication of leadership on their part and it exposes that despite the fact that republicans have had 8 years to come up with an idea of their own, they have not done so.
 
" bipartisan support may be the only way to get to any magic number on health care. " MR #10
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A mathematical certitude, but a legislative absurdity.

You might as well boast that the secret to Israeli / Palestinian peace is to have BOTH sides vote on the referendum.

On the subject of healthcare:

- Democrats want healthcare

- Republicans want tax cuts
 
The " skinny " repeal bill just crashed and burned.
Thanks McCain, you POS
 
McCain votes no, funny how now he's now against even the 'skinny bill'. Just my opinion but this recent vote seems like it was predetermined. The guy who has brain cancer so doesn't have to worry about his Senate Seat casts the deciding 'no' vote. So he'll take the heat, not that it matters because again he's dying and has nothing to 'lose' politically.

If he was healthy he'd vote yes and then another Republican with little to lose political would vote no? Maybe?

IDK, it just seems pretty convenient that McCain, who voted yes before now votes no. I think the Republicans want to look like they want to repeal it, to throw meat to the hateful RW base, but really don't want to kill it.

Whatever the reason I am glad it failed.
 
Sen. McCain: "The president is heroically on the wrong side of history. I like presidents that are heroically on the right side of history."
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
McCain votes no, funny how now he's now against even the 'skinny bill'. Just my opinion but this recent vote seems like it was predetermined. The guy who has brain cancer so doesn't have to worry about his Senate Seat casts the deciding 'no' vote. So he'll take the heat, not that it matters because again he's dying and has nothing to 'lose' politically.

If he was healthy he'd vote yes and then another Republican with little to lose political would vote no? Maybe?

IDK, it just seems pretty convenient that McCain, who voted yes before now votes no. I think the Republicans want to look like they want to repeal it, to throw meat to the hateful RW base, but really don't want to kill it.

Whatever the reason I am glad it failed.
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McCain stated his reasons in a Tweet: "Skinny repeal fell short because it fell short of our promise to repeal & replace Obamacare w/ meaningful reform."
 
MTAtech said:
McCain stated his reasons in a Tweet: "Skinny repeal fell short because it fell short of our promise to repeal & replace Obamacare w/ meaningful reform."
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Yeah, I know what is being said. It just seems funny how this all went down. If McCain wanted to 'reform' ACA, he and others have had plenty of time to do it, or even mention it and make a case for doing it.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
Yeah, I know what is being said. It just seems funny how this all went down. If McCain wanted to 'reform' ACA, he and others have had plenty of time to do it, or even mention it and make a case for doing it.
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That's all true. The GOP had 7 years to write a plan. Instead, they spent those 7 years voting dozens of times to repeal and an afternoon by the pool drafting a bill that took HC away from millions. Fixing the ACA really isn't hard as they are making this. Keep everything pretty much the same; increase subsidies and allow people in underserved markets to buy into Medicare.
 
For those looking for a bipartisan plan that both parties can get behind. There is a plan devised by the Heritage Foundation that has merit. It's called the Affordable Care Act.
 
Fletch said:
There is really no way to argue with that statement. The criticism by the left of the countless congressional votes to repeal Obamacare was justified--they were nothing but show votes. Now that a president sits in the White House will actually sign the bill, they cant get one to his desk. This is a complete abdication of leadership on their part and it exposes that despite the fact that republicans have had 8 years to come up with an idea of their own, they have not done so.
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Fletch, now that you admit that republicans and the conservative media were lying to you about Obamacare, isn’t it possible that they were lying about other things too?
 
Jack Hays said:
HHS Analysis Finds Cruz Amendment Lowers Premiums, Boosts Enrollment

Sen. Ted Cruz plans to unveil to Senators at a White House meeting on Wednesday an analysis from the Department of Health and Human Services showing his healthcare Consumer Freedom amendment would lower costs and raise individual enrollment, including those considered "high risk." . . . .
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Er uh jack, its been two weeks since Cruz was going to present it. So where’s this magic plan? And fyi, there is nothing magic about raising the deductible to lower the premium. If somehow Cruz’s plan becomes law, conservatives will magically realize that you don’t have to pay the deductible up front to see a doctor. That’s some magic I’d like to see.
 
Jack Hays said:
HHS Analysis Finds Cruz Amendment Lowers Premiums, Boosts Enrollment

Sen. Ted Cruz plans to unveil to Senators at a White House meeting on Wednesday an analysis from the Department of Health and Human Services showing his healthcare Consumer Freedom amendment would lower costs and raise individual enrollment, including those considered "high risk." . . . .
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300 votes in the House and 70 votes in the senate will render trump meaningless until he and his advisors become presidential .
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
McCain votes no, funny how now he's now against even the 'skinny bill'. Just my opinion but this recent vote seems like it was predetermined. The guy who has brain cancer so doesn't have to worry about his Senate Seat casts the deciding 'no' vote. So he'll take the heat, not that it matters because again he's dying and has nothing to 'lose' politically.

If he was healthy he'd vote yes and then another Republican with little to lose political would vote no? Maybe?

IDK, it just seems pretty convenient that McCain, who voted yes before now votes no. I think the Republicans want to look like they want to repeal it, to throw meat to the hateful RW base, but really don't want to kill it.

Whatever the reason I am glad it failed.
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McCain certainly saved his GOP from electoral destruction the next 4 election cycles, though American memories of what the GOP house actually voted on will come back to haunt the GOP.

The spinoff effect on GOPs in 2018 will hurt their 27 governors up for reelection, as well as their strong hold on state legislatures the next two cycles before 2021 redistricting .
 
Chomsky said:
They can't.

They are searching madly for a political solution to a political problem they've created for themselves.

This has nothing to do with policy.
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He problem is they are trying to turn a pile of crap into something else.
They simply can't do it.
 
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