More States To Expand Medicaid Now That Obamacare Remains Law

Oh i have no doubt of that. Seeing as there's no drawback to them doing so at all, the only reason they didn't until now was some republican governors waging a huge gamble with their citizens' lives in hopes it would help defeat obamacare

Maybe kansas can begin to climb out of 3rd world status now and north carolina can stop being the hater's paradise

ocean515 said:

The thread is about Medicaid. The thread is your invention.

Healthcare, as currently being practiced in the United States, was created by the left, of which Progressives occupy space.

While it's precious you're desperate to climb out from under the mess Progressive endorsed, the fact remains, it's unworkable and is collapsing.

As the KFF pointed out, in almost half the states, more than half the babies born were paid for by Medicaid. And you are championing expansion.

The Republicans are attempting to clean up this disaster, something the left apparently has no interest in, given their refusal to offer anything tangible to correct their disaster.

So, I would recommend the left, and certainly the alt-left Progressives, stop pointing fingers at the rescuers and perhaps take ownership of the problem they created and take some action to resolve it.

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lol the only reason you don't put a bill to vote is because it failed. It's admitting defeat and combine with Ryan's statement "Obamacare is the law of the land and will be for the foreseeable future"

Add to that by 2019 the republicans will have fewer seats and the *end* result is this has been several years of whining with nothing to show for it. You should be ashamed of them

ocean515 said:

If ever Thatcher's axiom “The trouble with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people’s money” holds true, it certainly does with this entitlement the left embraces.

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To be fair, the word "socialism" had a different, more specific meaning in Maggie's day than it does today.

In Maggie's day, the ACA wouldn't count as socialism.
Nowadays, funding the highway system, and funding military could be construed as socialism.

ocean515 said:

Cool. Republicans don't have to do anything with health care then.

If more people approve of ACA than not, why are so many on the left loosing their minds over the fact Republicans weren't able to put enough votes together to change Obamacare?

Will there come a point when the left can make up their minds about what they want to scream about?

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If laughing their ass off looks like loosing their minds ... well

polgara said:

Good morning, ocean515. :2wave:

:agree: Fascinating how some minds work, isn't it, since the Dems had the same seven years to fix their mistake called Obamacare and didn't, which makes me wonder how they will attempt to claim credit - and they will try - when the GOP finds a way to get a good health care plan in effect that the public can live with! If the Dems can stomach trying to find a solution that requires *gasp* compromise with the GOP - I know that sounds extremely radical - everyone can claim credit! Time will tell if that's even possible.....

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good ole Polgara, still with "good post and don't forget about this other false conservative narrative" replies. Your posts are so folksy and sweet I almost don't see the dishonesty. The dems didn't have seven years to fix it. Because of the non stop lies from the right they were not in a position to fix it. And the fact that dems compromised on the republican plan of mandates shows they are more than capable of working with republicans. *gasp* indeed. But of course you must have missed that baking pies or something.

And your deflection conveniently ignores that republicans didn't come up with "a good health care plan in effect that the public can live with!" after 7 years. And I'll let you in on a little secret. They cant come up with "a good health care plan in effect that the public can live with!" because cheaper and better will cost the govt more money. Cant do that and cut taxes on the rich. the only way to get rid of the pre-existing condition is mandates or single payer. Mandates are cheaper. That's why republicans came up with idea in the first place. Its why the putrid last minute attempt by republicans to come up a plan screwed over practically everybody. I'll take a real plan that can tweaked over an unicorn plan anyday.

Vern said:

good ole Polgara, still with "good post and don't forget about this other false conservative narrative" replies. Your posts are so folksy and sweet I almost don't see the dishonesty. The dems didn't have seven years to fix it. Because of the non stop lies from the right they were not in a position to fix it. And the fact that dems compromised on the republican plan of mandates shows they are more than capable of working with republicans. *gasp* indeed. But of course you must have missed that baking pies or something.

And your deflection conveniently ignores that republicans didn't come up with "a good health care plan in effect that the public can live with!" after 7 years. And I'll let you in on a little secret. They cant come up with "a good health care plan in effect that the public can live with!" because cheaper and better will cost the govt more money. Cant do that and cut taxes on the rich. the only way to get rid of the pre-existing condition is mandates or single payer. Mandates are cheaper. That's why republicans came up with idea in the first place. Its why the putrid last minute attempt by republicans to come up a plan screwed over practically everybody. I'll take a real plan that can tweaked over an unicorn plan anyday.

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Greetings, Vern. :2wave:

I'm pleased to see that I do provide comic relief for you by my posts! :shock: Of course, one must remember that I did not ever say that the Republicans came up with a "good health care plan that the public can live with," because if it were so good, they would have had the votes to try and fix it instead of dropping it like a hot potato, wouldn't they? In addition, since not a single republican voted for it in the first place years ago, who said that it should it be their responsibility now to fix it? That's a job for those who originated it!

I guess this means that it must be the Dem's turn to try again to fix Obamacare, since the public is still not happy with it, even with all the tweaks that the Obama administration tried over the past several years to try and make it workable. This may seem far out, but perhaps if both parties could manage to work together for the public's good for a change, a solution could be found. Otherwise, perhaps praying for a unicorn might be tried .....

chromium said:

lol the only reason you don't put a bill to vote is because it failed. It's admitting defeat and combine with Ryan's statement "Obamacare is the law of the land and will be for the foreseeable future"

Add to that by 2019 the republicans will have fewer seats and the *end* result is this has been several years of whining with nothing to show for it. You should be ashamed of them

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Well duh. You pull a bill because it's not going to pass. Do you want a happy face sticker put on your chart for getting that one right?

2019 fewer seats? Based on what, "Hope and Change"?

The trend doesn't bode well for the left. And their Obamacare debacle isn't going to fix itself, despite the lefts apparent belief it will.

Simon W. Moon said:

To be fair, the word "socialism" had a different, more specific meaning in Maggie's day than it does today.

In Maggie's day, the ACA wouldn't count as socialism.
Nowadays, funding the highway system, and funding military could be construed as socialism.

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Well, I don't know how much weight one should give the left's effort to redefine words in an effort to support their agenda. However, I'm sure we both agree the premise behind her statement holds true.

Cigar said:

If laughing their ass off looks like loosing their minds ... well

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Hey, if the left wants to laugh at the people struggling to pay for the mess they created, so be it.

ocean515 said:

Hey, if the left wants to laugh at the people struggling to pay for the mess they created, so be it.

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You have enough to worry about from your side ... deal with that first.

Cigar said:

You have enough to worry about from your side ... deal with that first.

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Well, if the snowflake/Indivisible groups mental breakdowns are any measure, the Republicans obviously are dealing with things.

If the Republicans weren't dealing with things, would these precious little groups be getting the funding and attention they are from their puppet masters?

I’m sorry pol, I find your posts dishonest. Its not just the false conservative narratives you continually post. It’s also when your posts are called out, you deflect, you address things nobody said and (this is key) ignore how what you posted was false and just go right to the next narrative. It’s an “obfuscate and run” tactic. Anyhoo, lets continue with your latest batch of false conservative narratives.

polgara said:

Of course, one must remember that I did not ever say that the Republicans came up with a "good health care plan that the public can live with,"

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I never said you did. You're simply deflecting from your prediction the GOP would come up with a better plan (and I didn't even address your vile opinion that dems would take credit for the "eventual" republican plan). and you're deflecting from my point that they never will come up with a better plan. You obviously know this. It's why you made the false claim "dems had 7 years" and its why you replied to something I didn't post. I consider that a dishonest deflection.

In addition, since not a single republican voted for it in the first place years ago, who said that it should it be their responsibility now to fix it? That's a job for those who originated it!

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Oh look you post tired narrative that Republicans didn’t vote for Obamacare. that narrative requires you to conveniently ignore they did that because of their partisan agenda to obstruct President Obama. They told you that was their plan. Pretending not to know that lets you falsely assert Dems didn't want to work with republicans. The republican agenda of obstruction was why they voted against their own version of health care reform. And you’re pretending not to know that republicans changed their official chant from “repeal” to “repeal and replace”. They promised you something better. And so did Trump. They asked for the responsibility and you gave it to them. Its their job now.

polgara said:

I guess this means that it must be the Dem's turn to try again to fix Obamacare, since the public is still not happy with it, even with all the tweaks that the Obama administration tried over the past several years to try and make it workable. This may seem far out, but perhaps if both parties could manage to work together for the public's good for a change, a solution could be found. Otherwise, perhaps praying for a unicorn might be tried .....

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No Pol, it’s not democrat's turn. People like you took that away from them. It's actually the republican's turn to govern. But it’s funny how you try to justify their childish “this is hard, I don’t wanna” mentality. The first thing republicans need to do is stop lying about Obamacare (and everything else too). And people like you need to stop covering for their lies. And yes, a large percentage of the public is not happy about Obamacare. Remember, republicans have been lying about it for 7 years. so instead of asking a group of people that includes the dumbasses that believed every conservative lie about Obamacare, ask the 20 million people who benefitted from Obamacare.

Nearly three-quarters of adults who received health insurance through ObamaCare say they are satisfied with their plans, according to a new survey.
Poll: Vast majority of ObamaCare customers satisfied with coverage | TheHill

if you were truly a generous, kind hearted, pie baking, flag loving American from the heartland, you’d be happy for the 20 million people who gained coverage and happy they’re happy. But you're not.

ocean515 said:

Well, I don't know how much weight one should give the left's effort to redefine words in an effort to support their agenda. However, I'm sure we both agree the premise behind her statement holds true.

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It seemed to be the conservative market segment and associating marketing which liberalized the definition of the word "socialism" to include things like Obamacare.
If you think Obamacare is socialism, you've already bought into the redefinition.

Simon W. Moon said:

It seemed to be the conservative market segment and associating marketing which liberalized the definition of the word "socialism" to include things like Obamacare.
If you think Obamacare is socialism, you've already bought into the redefinition.

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I don't endorse the left's effort to redefine socialism. They are the ones who claim public education, public roads, etc., demonstrate socialism exists in the US.

They do so in order to counter anyone who complains about their socialist agenda.

ocean515 said:

I don't endorse the left's effort to redefine socialism. They are the ones who claim public education, public roads, etc., demonstrate socialism exists in the US.
They do so in order to counter anyone who complains about their socialist agenda.

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Cite, please.
I'll be glad to provide citations for people on this very board calling Obamacare socialism if you like.

nvm

too far off-topic

probably needs its own thread.

SenorXm/Sirius said:

Funny how now that there's an (R) in the WH the GOP cares about poor people.

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Those states have been shooting themselves in the foot financially by refusing the expansion; now that Obama's gone they can finally stop.

ocean515 said:

It appears the first effort was not acceptable. Best to pull back and spend more time working through the issues that came up during the effort so something acceptable can be passed.

YOU guys created Obamacare. Rather lame to complain about the effort to fix it after washing your hands of it.

The fact the left is demanding Republicans do something proves they agree Obamacare is as bad as people were saying, despite all the denials in the past.

Interesting how they don't even realize they are doing that.

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It's the right who is demanding that the GOP do something. I really don't understand why.

ocean515 said:

Cool. Republicans don't have to do anything with health care then.

If more people approve of ACA than not, why are so many on the left loosing their minds over the fact Republicans weren't able to put enough votes together to change Obamacare?

Will there come a point when the left can make up their minds about what they want to scream about?

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We all scream for ice cream!

d0gbreath said:

It's the right who is demanding that the GOP do something. I really don't understand why.

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Only the right? I'd like to see proof of that. There are people on both side of the political spectrum who recognize the problems with Obamacare.

SenorXm/Sirius said:

No, I mean that now that Obama is gone these Red States all of a sudden want to expand medicaid.

ACA has a BUNCH of problems, but 1 of the biggest was the GOP did everything they could to sabotage it. Especially in the Red States. Now they're going to play nice?!?!

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Not entirely.

This year the biggest consideration for red states, who have previously expanded or not, was whether the 95-5 and 90-10 match will even exist in 2018 or 2019.

They don't want to contribute state funds to more government healthcare. They certainly don't want to do so if there is no advantageous federal match involved. Therefore the national situation this last few months added a hell of a lot of mystery to the process.

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Fiddytree said:

Not entirely.

This year the biggest consideration for states, who have expanded or not, was whether the 95-5 and 90-10 match will even exist in 2018 or 2019.

They don't want to contribute state funds to more government healthcare. They certainly don't want to do so if there is no advantageous federal match involved.

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A number of states that expanded Medicaid did so conditionally in their authorizing legislation; if the enhanced match goes away, so does the state's authorization. Disruptive and cruel if it were to come to pass (that goes primarily for the federal policy change that would precipitate those "backsies" provisions) but those states are protected financially, if not politically, from abrupt federal policy shifts.

Greenbeard said:

A number of states that expanded Medicaid did so conditionally in their authorizing legislation; if the enhanced match goes away, so does the state's authorization. Disruptive and cruel if it were to come to pass (that goes primarily for the federal policy change that would precipitate those "backsies" provisions) but those states are protected financially, if not politically, from abrupt federal policy shifts.

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You have a sunset provision and when states had to take up the issue again, they were worried about the desirability of fussing with their current structure of expansion, if they needed to scale back the qualifications from the current poverty rate, and even if this was all for naught if the program was going to die in 2018-2019 anyway.

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