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Sanders: Public outcry helped derail GOP health care bill

NIMBY said:
"People began the process of fighting back. We have got to continue that", he added.

Sanders: Public outcry helped derail GOP health care bill - POLITICO

Sen. Sanders focuses on health care to all people as a RIGHT .

Bernie gave PEOPLE the credit, not Democrats, which is the correct approach .
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Do you really think all the money the left spent to encourage obnoxious people to attack Republicans at town halls caused the House to fail to muster sufficient votes? I don't think so. Those people in the town halls were just put there to make noise. It was all the different Republican factions in the House who couldn't find common ground that led to the result.

I get Sanders needs to spin the outcome. All the Dems are doing so.

Frankly, I think behind closed doors the Dems in the House are concerned the Republicans didn't pass something. I think they were counting on it so it could be an issue in the coming mid-terms.

Instead, they are faced with remaining owners of Obamacare. It's going to be really easy to counter any efforts to claim Republicans are to blame, by simply stating Obamacare is so complicated and screwed up, it's going to take more time than thought to dig it's tentacles out of peoples backs without causing more harm than it already has. I think voters will be quite sympathetic to that.
 
ocean515 said:
Do you really think all the money the left spent to encourage obnoxious people to attack Republicans at town halls caused the House to fail to muster sufficient votes? I don't think so. Those people in the town halls were just put there to make noise. It was all the different Republican factions in the House who couldn't find common ground that led to the result.

I get Sanders needs to spin the outcome. All the Dems are doing so.

Frankly, I think behind closed doors the Dems in the House are concerned the Republicans didn't pass something. I think they were counting on it so it could be an issue in the coming mid-terms.

Instead, they are faced with remaining owners of Obamacare. It's going to be really easy to counter any efforts to claim Republicans are to blame, by simply stating Obamacare is so complicated and screwed up, it's going to take more time than thought to dig it's tentacles out of peoples backs without causing more harm than it already has. I think voters will be quite sympathetic to that.
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Is Sanders talking about the public outcry from conservative republicans to their reps in the Freedom Caucus? Somehow I doubt it. :rolleyes:
 
We the people spoke. We put a face onto this disastrous bill.

We the people don't always come out on top but this time we did.

The obnoxious people ocean515 speaks of are his fellow citizens just as much as the Tea Party types. We all have a voice and this time the GOP heard it and many realized probably for the first time that they represent everyone in their districts.
 
countryboy said:
Is Sanders talking about the public outcry from conservative republicans to their reps in the Freedom Caucus? Somehow I doubt it. :rolleyes:
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I liked the simple RED and GEEEN cards folks on BOTH sides of Sen. Graham's town hall were using today for his answers.

The 50-member more mature GOP Tuesday group are far more concerned about trumpcare than the HFC, since Clinton won 23 of their CDs and 36 more were close .
 
Parrish said:
We the people spoke. We put a face onto this disastrous bill.

We the people don't always come out on top but this time we did.

The obnoxious people ocean515 speaks of are his fellow citizens just as much as the Tea Party types. We all have a voice and this time the GOP heard it and many realized probably for the first time that they represent everyone in their districts.
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"The GOP"? You realize they were only shy maybe 16 votes or so, right?
 
Bernie tried to warn us about the incompetence of the U.S. establishment. We didn't listen. And now we have a President who is such an incompetent of epic proportions that it might be a national security issue. WTF.
 
countryboy said:
"The GOP"? You realize they were only shy maybe 16 votes or so, right?
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With 3 GOP freedom caucus Senators and 12 Tuesday group Senators opposed . :peace

Too bad Ryan/McConnell/trump didn't go the bipartisan bicameral approach, after nuking the Hastert rule.

Lose the Hastert rule and you bring DEMs in .
 
Beaudreaux said:
Any outcry, public or private, had nothing to do with the circular firing squad the GOP submitted themselves to.
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Than you missed GOP lawmakers telling their phone call counts, not to mention the pressure from back home .
 
NIMBY said:
"People began the process of fighting back. We have got to continue that", he added.

Sanders: Public outcry helped derail GOP health care bill - POLITICO

Sen. Sanders focuses on health care to all people as a RIGHT .

Bernie gave PEOPLE the credit, not Democrats, which is the correct approach .
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Sanders...Democrats...people...none of them had anything to do with the failure of the House to pass their bill. It was all the responsibility of those Congressmen who have been lying to their constituents about wanting to dump Obamacare...and then caving to their money-men and voting against it.

Koch Brothers Vow Re-Election Funds for Republicans Who Vote Against GOP Health Care Bill | KTLA - Linkis.com

Sanders, like the rest of the liberals, is spinning things.
 
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NIMBY said:
Than you missed GOP lawmakers telling their phone call counts, not to mention the pressure from back home .
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What I didn't miss was the $58,000.00 out of pocket per chemo treatment and the restrictions that the PPACA put on my wife's treatments that if not for her doctors lying about certain things would have prevented her from getting the treatment she needed to survive. Thank God I had the money to pay the difference.

I want the PPACA repealed or at the minimum changed to remove the harmful restrictions, and a long list of other things that need added or removed or changed.

Not for politics, but for the next person that's wife goes through what my wife did, but they don't the money to pay the difference or the personal friendships with the doctors to get them to modify the paperwork to get their wife to qualify.

The PPACA almost cost me my best friend, my reason for living... my wife.

This is not about Obama, or Democrats, or Republicans, or Trump, or Bernie Sanders, as far as I'm concerned. It's about lives.

/soapbox speech
 
ocean515 said:
Do you really think all the money the left spent to encourage obnoxious people to attack Republicans at town halls caused the House to fail to muster sufficient votes? I don't think so. Those people in the town halls were just put there to make noise. It was all the different Republican factions in the House who couldn't find common ground that led to the result.
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You can post that fake news over and over but just remember, democrats and the actual news media didn't have to lie about what was in the republican "plan" the way the conservative media and republicans lied about about Obamacare for 7 years.

Frankly, I think behind closed doors the Dems in the House are concerned the Republicans didn't pass something. I think they were counting on it so it could be an issue in the coming mid-terms.
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sorry ocean, just because you've gotten used to republicans doing the opposite of what they tell you is no reason to assume democrats are the same. We're simply not fed non stop lies whose only purpose is to keep us in constant state of fear and hate. As a democrat, I don't have to make excuses as to why republicans brought up 60 bills to repeal Obamacare and then don't once they're in charge. You do. When you can accept the reality that you were lied and pandered to the last 7 years, your Obamacare related posts will improve dramatically.
 
NIMBY said:
"People began the process of fighting back. We have got to continue that", he added.

Sanders: Public outcry helped derail GOP health care bill - POLITICO

Sen. Sanders focuses on health care to all people as a RIGHT .

Bernie gave PEOPLE the credit, not Democrats, which is the correct approach .
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I think what doomed this poorly thought out and poorly written bill was the stupidity in it.

If you intend to correct a problem, the best first step is to define the problem. This was never done.

The next step is to examine impartially the steps to correct the defined problem. Since step 1 was never done, step 2 was impossible.

Step three is to implement the best fixes and predict outcomes.

Step 4 is to gauge actual improvement vs predicted outcomes and make adjustments to gain the desired results.

None of the actual process steps to improve a problem were employed and this was obvious.

They got the only result they could reasonably have expected.

The Dems got their abortion of a bill passed due to skullduggery, deception, threats and mind numbed allegiance to the leadership.

The Republicans do not have mind numbed loyalty and their leadership is not a talented group of political vote controllers. They never had a chance given the political process.
 
Beaudreaux said:
What I didn't miss was the $58,000.00 out of pocket per chemo treatment and the restrictions that the PPACA put on my wife's treatments that if not for her doctors lying about certain things would have prevented her from getting the treatment she needed to survive. Thank God I had the money to pay the difference....

Not for politics, but for the next person that's wife goes through what my wife did, but they don't the money to pay the difference or the personal friendships with the doctors to get them to modify the paperwork to get their wife to qualify.

The PPACA almost cost me my best friend, my reason for living... my wife.
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I'm sorry what your wife and you had to go through but I need more details to understand your point. What did your private insurance refuse to provide, how is it related to Obamacare and how was it different from your private insurance before Obamacare? And was it 58,000 per treatement or total?
 
Beaudreaux said:
Any outcry, public or private, had nothing to do with the circular firing squad the GOP submitted themselves to.
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No, it was, in part, because of the public outcry but not the one Bernie is referring to. There was a public outcry from the far right because the bill did not go far enough for them, and a public outcry from the repub center because the bill went too far
 
Beaudreaux said:
What I didn't miss was the $58,000.00 out of pocket per chemo treatment and the restrictions that the PPACA put on my wife's treatments that if not for her doctors lying about certain things would have prevented her from getting the treatment she needed to survive. Thank God I had the money to pay the difference.

I want the PPACA repealed or at the minimum changed to remove the harmful restrictions, and a long list of other things that need added or removed or changed.

Not for politics, but for the next person that's wife goes through what my wife did, but they don't the money to pay the difference or the personal friendships with the doctors to get them to modify the paperwork to get their wife to qualify.

The PPACA almost cost me my best friend, my reason for living... my wife.

This is not about Obama, or Democrats, or Republicans, or Trump, or Bernie Sanders, as far as I'm concerned. It's about lives.

/soapbox speech
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You just told us that the PPACA saved your wife. Yeah it was round-about, but still.
 
d0gbreath said:
You just told us that the PPACA saved your wife. Yeah it was round-about, but still.
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First, I shouldn't have even mentioned it at all in the open forum. That was my mistake.

Second, that's not even close to what I said.

Third, since I shouldn't have mentioned it in the first place, I prefer to not go any deeper in this part of the forum. However, out of respect for you, if you'd like to ask in a more private venue, I would be happy to explain. I've already done so in the Tavern a long while back, BTW, if you can find it. I could probably give you a link in a PM to that thread, if I can find it, which I'm more than wiling to look for it if you want.
 
sangha said:
No, it was, in part, because of the public outcry but not the one Bernie is referring to. There was a public outcry from the far right because the bill did not go far enough for them, and a public outcry from the repub center because the bill went too far
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Sorry for the delay in responding. I just saw this.

I think the outcry from the far right was exactly what you stated. However, the average GOP'er and the GOP moderates didn't raise their voices, that I heard, as being against the bill as much as being against the way they were going about it. Most were not happy with the process that was NOT used, like "Normal Order" of the House with committee hearings, and mark-up, like every other bill. I was one of those, BTW. The three step process that the GOP blamed on the House Parliamentarian was more than a little suspect to me. They tried to use Senate rules and procedures that have no legitimate place in the normal order process of the House, and it bit them big time in the ass - that's why the Parliamentarian was against the process, because it was not allowed with the parliamentary rules of the House, not because they couldn't do all three steps at once, but because procedurally they shouldn't have tried to do it that way at all.
 
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