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An instant fix for Obamacare and national debt

What constitutes those different price levels. .

maybe bigger engines or leather seats. Do you have any idea at all where you are going with this??
 
. which makes it infinitely harder to give a price tag on a surgery.. than it does putting a headlight in a Ford Taurus.
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lost s of things are hard to price like consulting, creative products etc etc. Big companies have armies of cost accountants to try to figure out true cost and then price.

New Website Lets Californians Compare Surgery Prices At Hospitals
sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/.../california-healthcare-compare-surgery-prices- hospitals/‎
Sep 21, 2015 ... California is trying to help patients avoid big medical bills. ... $20,000 for a surgery that would have only cost him a few hundred if he's chosen a ...

sorry to rock your world!!
 
maybe bigger engines or leather seats. Do you have any idea at all where you are going with this??

Bigger engines on a total knee? Do you have any idea at all of what you are talking about?
 
lost s of things are hard to price like consulting, creative products etc etc. Big companies have armies of cost accountants to try to figure out true cost and then price.

New Website Lets Californians Compare Surgery Prices At Hospitals
sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/.../california-healthcare-compare-surgery-prices- hospitals/‎
Sep 21, 2015 ... California is trying to help patients avoid big medical bills. ... $20,000 for a surgery that would have only cost him a few hundred if he's chosen a ...

sorry to rock your world!!

Nope..no rocking of world..

You don't have a clue what you are talking about. If you did.. you would define for me your three categories of total knees.

What you don't get.. is that how can I produce for a patient what a total knee is REALLY going to cost him.. when he has not decided to be seen by me and I have examined him? Even after the examination.. if I am in surgery and his bone is not stable enough. or a myriad of other problems.. I would have to use a different device.. have him longer in surgery.. So on and so forth.

I want you to explain exactly how you would be able to determine the costs to a patient without knowing that patient.!
 
One way is how Japan is going to wipe their deficit, at least theorized on what they will do.

First you make the entire banking system, including the central bank, owned by the government. Eventually only banks will be the only entities buying national bonds. Eventually, all the debt will be owed by the banking sector which is remember, owned by the government. (Because there are different lifetimes to national debt, that is fundamentally how debt owned shifts from investors to banks.)

Then they are going to refinance the debt if you will, to one big bond that is placed in the central bank. Now remember, a bond (the entire national debt) has a buyer and seller. In this case, the national debt is sold by the government and is bought by the government. Once the government pays itself, the bond is extinguished. And therefore, the national debt. There would be no national debt.

It isn't really necessary to do, however I think it provides a better perception of the public. But it could actually backfire. How could the entire debt be paid? When they don't realize that the buyer and seller of the national debt is the same entity, could it be fake? That's something Japan is going to have to deal with, and I am eager for it to happen. I just want to see on a systemic way what happens, I want to see how it will be received, because it could potentially be a solution to paying for all of these things, while negating our national debt at the same time. But it probably won't ever remotely happen in the US, because I don't think the private banking sector is eager to be owned by the government.

Point is it is very possible to have healthcare for everyone, free education, the works, and not have national debt. Probably won't happen though.
 
One way is how Japan is going to wipe their deficit, at least theorized on what they will do.

First you make the entire banking system, including the central bank, owned by the government. Eventually only banks will be the only entities buying national bonds. Eventually, all the debt will be owed by the banking sector which is remember, owned by the government. (Because there are different lifetimes to national debt, that is fundamentally how debt owned shifts from investors to banks.)

Then they are going to refinance the debt if you will, to one big bond that is placed in the central bank. Now remember, a bond (the entire national debt) has a buyer and seller. In this case, the national debt is sold by the government and is bought by the government. Once the government pays itself, the bond is extinguished. And therefore, the national debt. There would be no national debt.

It isn't really necessary to do, however I think it provides a better perception of the public. But it could actually backfire. How could the entire debt be paid? When they don't realize that the buyer and seller of the national debt is the same entity, could it be fake? That's something Japan is going to have to deal with, and I am eager for it to happen. I just want to see on a systemic way what happens, I want to see how it will be received, because it could potentially be a solution to paying for all of these things, while negating our national debt at the same time. But it probably won't ever remotely happen in the US, because I don't think the private banking sector is eager to be owned by the government.

Point is it is very possible to have healthcare for everyone, free education, the works, and not have national debt. Probably won't happen though.


Perhaps you want to call all these people up and tell them they are not comparing surgery prices even though they think they are?
Do you really want to be a liberal all your life? This is what will always happen

Finally, There's an Easy Way to Compare Hospital Costs - AOL.com
https://www.aol.com/.../hospital-pro...pscost/‎
May 28, 2013 ... A new online tool lets you easily compare the cost of procedures at ... Just punch in your city and the procedure you'd like to compare and the ... Vets Take A Lion In For Surgery - Then See A Lioness Doing This In Their Pen.
 
Nope..no rocking of world..

You don't have a clue what you are talking about. If you did.. you would define for me your three categories of total knees.

What you don't get.. is that how can I produce for a patient what a total knee is REALLY going to cost him.. when he has not decided to be seen by me and I have examined him? Even after the examination.. if I am in surgery and his bone is not stable enough. or a myriad of other problems.. I would have to use a different device.. have him longer in surgery.. So on and so forth.

I want you to explain exactly how you would be able to determine the costs to a patient without knowing that patient.!
Perhaps you want to call all these people up and tell them they are not comparing surgery prices even though they think they are?
Do you really want to be a liberal all your life? This is what will always happen

Finally, There's an Easy Way to Compare Hospital Costs - AOL.com
https://www.aol.com/.../hospital-pro...pscost/‎
May 28, 2013 ... A new online tool lets you easily compare the cost of procedures at ... Just punch in your city and the procedure you'd like to compare and the ... Vets Take A Lion In For Surgery - Then See A Lioness Doing This In Their Pen.
 
Point is it is very possible to have healthcare for everyone, free education, the works, and not have national debt. Probably won't happen though.
it is possible??? how???
 
it is possible??? how???

I explained how with my original post. You basically enact what you want, and then wipe the national debt. But in order for that procedure to work, the banking sector has to be owned by the government and the entire national debt has to be bought and sold by the government. Then you can wipe the debt whenever you want to.
 
and then wipe the national debt.

of course its illegal to borrow money and then not pay it back and if you fail to pay it back you cant borrow again
 
Healthcare is a large percentage of the economy.

Insurance companies have been are making a profit, by creating escape clauses to limit actual services paid for.


This is why middle class health insurance premiums have gone up, a lot, because many policy exclusions were eliminated by the ACA, so the real cost of real health insurance is coming out.

"Health spending in 2013 accounted for 17.4 percent of GDP. But by 2024, it is projected to make up 19.6 percent of GDP.

The forecast expects that spending from 2016 to 2018 will be grow by an average of 5.3 percent, but will speed up in following years, to 6.2 percent annually through 2024. The increase in later years is attributed to expected stronger economic growth, which usually is followed by increased use of health-care goods and services."

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/07/28/1-of-every-5-spent-in-us-will-be-on-health-care.html



Trump complains about terrorist attacks but many attacks are perpetrated by individuals who have serious mental problems. So it is stupid for Trump to reduce Mental Health benefits in his ACA reform.

"House GOP leaders have agreed to change an Obamacare provision that guarantees all health insurers cover services such as maternity, mental health and prescription drugs.The dramatic shift would strike a blow at the heart of Obamacare, even while the GOP legislation says it protects coverage for pre-existing conditions."

Essential Health Benefits and why they matter - CNNPolitics.com






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I suggest you dig a little deeper in investigating why medical care costs are skyrocketing in the US. They are rising all over the world due to inflation, but not nearly as fast or as much as the US.

I am sure you will find the reading interesting and see why the US is unlikely to EVER have universal coverage. Hint, read about the 2008 crash and who were the benefactors, then look at who runs insurance companies is step one. Then look at the over all down time over the most costly procedures...
 
Perhaps you want to call all these people up and tell them they are not comparing surgery prices even though they think they are?
Do you really want to be a liberal all your life? This is what will always happen

Finally, There's an Easy Way to Compare Hospital Costs - AOL.com
https://www.aol.com/.../hospital-pro...pscost/‎
May 28, 2013 ... A new online tool lets you easily compare the cost of procedures at ... Just punch in your city and the procedure you'd like to compare and the ... Vets Take A Lion In For Surgery - Then See A Lioness Doing This In Their Pen.

Yawn.. i have never been a liberal. so that's that.

And yes.. if you want to give me their numbers I can explain to them that they are not really comparing surgery prices.. even though they think they are. In fact.. I suggest you call all of them up and find out exactly how accurate those estimates were. And be sure to find out and compare the levels of care and what they received.
I know you will find out a bit more about how difficult comparing REALLY is. not to mention the other costs that you might not be told about.

I strongly suggest it.. because again.. you really don't know what you are talking about.
 
of course its illegal to borrow money and then not pay it back and if you fail to pay it back you cant borrow again

If the entire national debt is both issued and owned by the government writing those bonds, then you can conceivably get rid of the entire national debt by just changing numbers on a spreadsheet.
 
If the entire national debt is both issued and owned by the government writing those bonds, then you can conceivably get rid of the entire national debt by just changing numbers on a spreadsheet.

so you're saying liberal govt should print $20 trillion and buy back all the debt????
 
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