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Insurer LYING about profit/lloss reasons for leaving ACA

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U.S. judge finds that Aetna misled the public about its reasons for quitting Obamacare

by Michael HiltzikContact Reporter

Aetna claimed this summer that it was pulling out of all but four of the 15 states where it was providing Obamacare individual insurance because of a business decision — it was simply losing too much money on the Obamacare exchanges.
Now a federal judge has ruled that that was a rank falsehood. In fact, says Judge John D. Bates, Aetna made its decision at least partially in response to a federal antitrust lawsuit blocking its proposed $37-billion merger with Humana. Aetna threatened federal officials with the pullout before the lawsuit was filed, and followed through on its threat once it was filed. Bates made the observations in the course of a ruling he issued Monday blocking the merger.
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Among the locations where Aetna withdrew were 17 counties in three states where the Department of Justice asserted that the merger would produce unlawfully low levels of competition. By pulling out, Aetna could say that it wasn’t competing in those counties anyway, rendering the government’s point moot: “The evidence provides persuasive support for the conclusion that Aetna withdrew from the on-exchange markets in the 17 complaint counties to improve its litigation position,” Bates wrote. “The Court does not credit the minimal efforts of Aetna executives to claim otherwise.”
Indeed, he wrote, Aetna’s decision to pull out of the exchange business in Florida was “so far outside of normal business practice” that it perplexed the company’s top executive in Florida, who was not in the decision loop.

U.S. judge finds that Aetna misled the public about its reasons for quitting Obamacare - LA Times


If we want lower cost to healthcare we need to get insurance out of the middle of it.
 
...or get the government out of insurance.

"Government out of it" is essentially what driven things to this level. We pay more for and and less access to healthcare than other developed nations.
 
U.S. judge finds that Aetna misled the public about its reasons for quitting Obamacare

at least the merger got blocked for now. we need a further consolidated for-profit health insurance industry like a hen needs an anvil.
 
at least the merger got blocked for now. we need a further consolidated for-profit health insurance industry like a hen needs an anvil.

I've always heard, "like a hen needs nipples" but I get your point.
 
"Government out of it" is essentially what driven things to this level. We pay more for and and less access to healthcare than other developed nations.

Did you know that there is no federal rule governing car insurance?
 
If we want lower cost to healthcare we need to get insurance out of the middle of it.

I agree. All third-party payers need to get out of the middle of it. Costs soar when the customer is insulated from the price.
 
I've always heard, "like a hen needs nipples" but I get your point.

i always heard "like a hen needs a flag." i like that one, too.
 
If we want lower cost to healthcare we need to get insurance out of the middle of it.

We've got to pool money to pay for care somehow.

Anyway, I'm glad the merger was blocked. And a lesson for those who saw the exchange machinations of the Big 5 as an indictment of the marketplace concept: look at the whole board.

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We've got to pool money to pay for care somehow.

Anyway, I'm glad the merger was blocked. And a lesson for those who saw the exchange machinations of the Big 5 as an indictment of the marketplace concept: look at the whole board.

Surely this is another reason why insurers have backed out of some markets From the N.Y.Times: 2015

...."The attack stems from two years of effort by Senator Marco Rubio and others in Congress to undermine a key financing mechanism in the law. So for all the Republican talk about dismantling the Affordable Care Act, one Republican presidential hopeful has actually done something toward achieving that goal.

Mr. Rubio’s efforts against the so-called risk corridor provision of the health law have hardly risen to the forefront of the race for the Republican presidential nomination, but his plan limiting how much the government can spend to protect insurance companies against financial losses has shown the effectiveness of quiet legislative sabotage.

The risk corridors were intended to help some insurance companies if they ended up with too many new sick people on their rolls and too little cash from premiums to cover their medical bills in the first three years under the health law. But because of Mr. Rubio’s efforts, the administration says it will pay only 13 percent of what insurance companies were expecting to receive this year. The payments were supposed to help insurers cope with the risks they assumed when they decided to participate in the law’s new insurance marketplaces."....
 
Surely this is another reason why insurers have backed out of some markets From the N.Y.Times: 2015

No doubt that's played a critical role in what's happened; the GOP was successful in breaking some of the underlying design during the startup period.
 
Did you know that there is no federal rule governing car insurance?

Great libertarian response Gonzo. But if auto insurance was in such a state that 50 million people didn’t have it and the cost of auto insurance went from 14% of GDP to 17.3 % of GDP and thousands of people were dying for lack of auto insurance and hospitals were suffering financially and auto insurance rates were increasing 10% a year, wouldn’t you want the federal govt to step in and bring order? Seems to me thats their job. Constitution says to “promote the general welfare”.

In 2001 NHE (National Health Expenditure) was 14% of GDP. In 2009, it was 17.3. wow, that's 3.4% of GDP jump. In 2015 its 17.8 %......
https://www.cms.gov/research-statis...enddata/nationalhealthaccountshistorical.html
 
Great libertarian response Gonzo. But if auto insurance was in such a state that 50 million people didn’t have it and the cost of auto insurance went from 14% of GDP to 17.3 % of GDP and thousands of people were dying for lack of auto insurance and hospitals were suffering financially and auto insurance rates were increasing 10% a year, wouldn’t you want the federal govt to step in and bring order? Seems to me thats their job. Constitution says to “promote the general welfare”.

If you subsidize something, one of two things are going to happen: you either get more of it, or it's going to cost more.

Since the government has been throwing money at healthcare, have we gotten more of it... or does it cost more?
 
If you subsidize something, one of two things are going to happen: you either get more of it, or it's going to cost more.

Since the government has been throwing money at healthcare, have we gotten more of it... or does it cost more?

Great question (If your point was to look like you were responding to my post as you deflected). I'm not sure what you are asking or why. I was addressing your "auto insurance analogy". Are we no longer discussing that?
 
Great question (If your point was to look like you were responding to my post as you deflected). I'm not sure what you are asking or why. I was addressing your "auto insurance analogy". Are we no longer discussing that?

Government isn't involved in auto insurance; auto insurance markets are stable.

Medical spending used to be stable.... I wonder what happened?
 
"Government out of it" is essentially what driven things to this level. We pay more for and and less access to healthcare than other developed nations.

ObamaCare was unprecented Govt intervention into Healthcare

No one fell for the nonsense that the ACA was a " free market " solution
 
If you subsidize something, one of two things are going to happen: you either get more of it, or it's going to cost more.

Since the government has been throwing money at healthcare, have we gotten more of it... or does it cost more?

The number one excuse for price gouging prior to the ACA was that health care providers needed to recoup losses incurred in the treatment of uninsured patients who couldnt pay out of pocket. The biggest failure of the ACA was that it contained no mechanism to follow up on that excuse and drive prices down through its elimination. Government just doesn't have the appetite to hold healthcare providers and pharmaceutical companies accountable for price gouging beyond the occasional tongue lashing in committee.
 
Government isn't involved in auto insurance; auto insurance markets are stable.

Medical spending used to be stable.... I wonder what happened?

When was medical spending ever stable in the past 25 years?
 
Government isn't involved in auto insurance; auto insurance markets are stable.

Medical spending used to be stable.... I wonder what happened?

I agree, the auto insurance market is stable so the federal govt didn't need to do anything. But for you to post "medical spending used to be stable" is totally ridiculous even if I hadn't posted the actual spending. But I did post it. Help me understand how you ignore that medical spending shot up 3.3% of GDP from 2001 to 2009 and call it stable. I call that a crisis or impending crisis (pick one).
 
When was medical spending ever stable in the past 25 years?

Why the last 25 years? Why is that your standard?

Why not look back to before 1965? Before government got involved and your doctor would come to your home, diagnose and give you the required medicine for the modern equivalent of $20
 
Why the last 25 years? Why is that your standard?

Why not look back to before 1965? Before government got involved and your doctor would come to your home, diagnose and give you the required medicine for the modern equivalent of $20

You cannot compare apples w oranges. Health care was a lot more primitive in 1965. A vast number of life saving drugs , diagnostic procedures, medical devices, specialized care- did not exist, then
 
You cannot compare apples w oranges. Health care was a lot more primitive in 1965. A vast number of life saving drugs , diagnostic procedures, medical devices, specialized care- did not exist, then

:roll:
 
"Government out of it" is essentially what driven things to this level. We pay more for and and less access to healthcare than other developed nations.

your historic awareness is laughable.

lodge practice - learn about it and stop being a useless tool of socialists
 
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