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This is why Obamacare has to die

Praxas said:
Tell that to oh....most of the GOP congress who are pro-lifers and see no problem with BIG GOVERNMENT getting in the way of abortions.
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I do.. It gives them fits when I point out that they aren't really conservative. Fits.
 
Jetboogieman said:
I know, the nerve of a guy with cancer to be so greedy.

What a jerk off.

:roll:
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Well.... he chose to be greedy.. and went without insurance.. when it sound like he could afford it.. and then ended up with cancer.

I think people should have some personal responsibility in their life.
 
calamity said:
Yeah, we should just let people die....I bet you oppose abortion. Don't ya?
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We let people die all the time, not only that but we let people do things that are solely harmful to thier health with no benefit and we are trying to make more things like that legal. Seems kinda at odds with funding healthcare and saving lives...
 
ObamacareFail said:
Read the 10th amendment to the US constitution.
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What about the requirement that all hospitals must help someone regardless of ability to pay in an emergency situation. Which basically every situation will turn out to be unless treatment is given? Does that comply with the US Constitution?
 
Crovax said:
He was greedy before he got the cancer. Just because someone who is a jerk gets cancer that doesn't make them not a jerk anymore.
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Greedy asshole.


"I was a Republican and I worked for the Reagan and Bush campaigns," Jeff Jeans of Sedona, Arizona, told Speaker Ryan. "Just like you, I was opposed to the Affordable Care Act."

"When it was passed, I told my wife we would close our business before I complied with this law. Then, at 49, I was given six weeks to live with a very curable type of cancer. We offered three times the cost of my treatments, which was rejected. They required an insurance card. Thanks to the Affordable Care Act, I'm standing here today alive," Jeans shared with the Speaker and the audience.

"Being both a small business person and someone with pre-existing conditions, I rely on the Affordable Care Act to be able to purchase my own insurance. Why would you repeal the Affordable Care Act without a replacement?" he asked.
 
Crovax said:
We let people die all the time, not only that but we let people do things that are solely harmful to thier health with no benefit and we are trying to make more things like that legal. Seems kinda at odds with funding healthcare and saving lives...
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No we don't and that's the point. Even its an uninsured motorist with no health insurance.
 
Hari Seldon said:
No we don't and that's the point. Even its an uninsured motorist with no health insurance.
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Actually we do. what about if a 70 year old needs a heart transplant? We let them die. Medicaid/medicare denines to cover life saving treatments all the time. We don't offer shelter to all the homeless and thousands die every year from the elements.
 
Crovax said:
Actually we do. what about if a 70 year old needs a heart transplant? We let them die. Medicaid/medicare denines to cover life saving treatments all the time. We don't offer shelter to all the homeless and thousands die every year from the elements.
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We decide that regardless of health insurance in many cases. You like to bring up the exceptions. How about the thousands in car accidents? Do we let any of them die? We offer shelter to anyone that needs it or at least try to. We have decided as a society that everyone deserves some form of healthcare even if it only the emergency room. Its just a matter of how we pay for it.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Yeah!

**** him!

Shoulda just died, what an asshole!

Amirite?

:roll:
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It is a weird story.
But a question.
You don't think that people should be responsible for their actions?
 
Crovax said:
We let people die all the time, not only that but we let people do things that are solely harmful to thier health with no benefit and we are trying to make more things like that legal. Seems kinda at odds with funding healthcare and saving lives...
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So, if some clown wrecks his car because he was driving too fast or had a few drinks, maybe we should just let him die by the side of the road. :roll:
 
No, Obamacare should die because it is a botched attempt at health care access in the United States, forged out of partisan bickering, corporate cronyism, filibusters and constant disagreements. We could come up with something much better.

Crovax said:
Actually we do. what about if a 70 year old needs a heart transplant? We let them die. Medicaid/medicare denines to cover life saving treatments all the time. We don't offer shelter to all the homeless and thousands die every year from the elements.
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It's true that there is cost/benefit analysis at all tiers of medicine because resources are limited, but that doesn't seem to be what you're griping about. You're upset because aggregate burden is being distributed among taxpayers rather than corporate clients.

In terms of ethics, we may not save all homeless people but at least there are humanitarian efforts that are trying. That's different than completely giving up because "oh well people will die anyway".
 
Crovax said:
No one is forced to get auto insurance, you are only required to get auto insurance if you want to drive on a govt road.
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LOL
How disingenuous.
 
Crovax said:
Actually we do. what about if a 70 year old needs a heart transplant? We let them die. Medicaid/medicare denines to cover life saving treatments all the time. We don't offer shelter to all the homeless and thousands die every year from the elements.
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How were you on Terri Schiavo?
 
Paperview said:
How were you on Terri Schiavo?
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On what? That was a dispute between parents and spouse and had nothing to do with whether or not the state should provide healthcare.
 
mbig said:
LOL
How disingenuous.
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No, no one is forced to get auto insurance. Plenty of people get by just fine without vehicles and for those who do use vehicles insurance is only required in the public domain and only to protect others from the damage you might cause. None of that is comparable to compulsory health insurance.
 
seems like the obvious answer is to change the model. for example, access to health care should have nothing to do with where you work, where you live, or how much you make. basically, how most of the rest of the first world has been handling it for decades.
 
jaeger19 said:
or he could have simply paid for healthcare insurance like most other businessman and when he got cancer.. he would have been covered. Even better.. it might have been discovered earlier and it would have cost the system less money.
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When I had employer health coverage, I was denied formulary exemption list medications (you probably don't know what those are because you don't need to) and I lost the ability to walk. I lost my ability to work full time. Then I couldn't afford housing. I had health insurance and for the meds I needed, I would have had to spend 50K more per year than I made.

ACA came along, I was granted formulary exemption meds, regained the ability to walk, got a full time job, just won employee of the month, have been promoted twice and only pay about 3K a year on health insurance. I'm 32 by the way.

Who should our health care laws be made for? People who need them or people who don't need them? I didn't read the article and I don't care if Obamacare is repealed. But if my life is ruined because people are too selfish to help people who need help, I will burn with rage for a long, long time. Note to everybody: your money is nothing and your health and happiness is everything. And when you have your low tier employer insurance and get in a car accident, I will forgive your former stupidity and selfishness.
 
Crovax said:
Population growth is all immigration. The fertility rate is below replacement level and dropping
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We've added 30 million people in the last 10 years.

We'll hit 400,000,000 by 2036 at this rate.

We're already the 3rd most populated country in the world. We're headed for a fate similar to India and China. Great for the 1%, too bad for the 99%.
 
truthatallcost said:
We've added 30 million people in the last 10 years.

We'll hit 400,000,000 by 2036 at this rate.

We're already the 3rd most populated country in the world. We're headed for a fate similar to India and China. Great for the 1%, too bad for the 99%.
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I'm not disputing that we are growing, I'm just pointing out that it's all due to immigration.
 
Helix said:
seems like the obvious answer is to change the model. for example, access to health care should have nothing to do with where you work, where you live, or how much you make. basically, how most of the rest of the first world has been handling it for decades.
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A substandard beurocratic nightmare
 
Praxas said:
Why? You guys don't when it comes to the war on drugs.
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Nothing we advocate or conservatives have legislated conflicts with any amendment or for that matter anything in the US Constitution. However the Obamacare mandate is in clear violation of the 10th amendment.
 
Winchester said:
I'm torn on the issue. If a person can afford coverage, refuses to buy said coverage, then has consequences... maybe they ought to bear em. Tuff love and all. I'm kinda tired of the freeloaders (not to be confused with those that truly can't afford HI) that take advantage of our health care system. I have a BIL that falls into this category.
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If a person is wealthy enough to afford to pay for their own healthcare out of pocket and self insure or go without health insurance, that's fine with me. I do not see that as freeloading. In regards to those who cannot afford to pay for all their own healthcare yet can afford health insurance but choose not to buy coverage. I am okay with that as well as it is no longer cost effective to purchase health insurance. When Obamacare regulations cancelled my policy and the rates for an Obamacare qualified policy skyrocketed, I could not see any value in signing up. Not only would my premiums have cost three times what they cost before Obamacare, the annual deductible is roughly three times what I would normally spend in on healthcare in a given year, with or without health insurance. It would have amounted to nothing more then a prohibitively costly catastrophic policy. What's the point?
 
Hari Seldon said:
What about the requirement that all hospitals must help someone regardless of ability to pay in an emergency situation. Which basically every situation will turn out to be unless treatment is given? Does that comply with the US Constitution?
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If you think the requirement that hospitals with emergency rooms treat anyone who walks in the door is in violation of the constution, by all means post the statute or amendment. I know of no conflicts. However the mandate to purchase healthcare insurance is in clear violation of the 10th amendment.
 
Paperview said:
Greedy asshole.


"I was a Republican and I worked for the Reagan and Bush campaigns," Jeff Jeans of Sedona, Arizona, told Speaker Ryan. "Just like you, I was opposed to the Affordable Care Act."

"When it was passed, I told my wife we would close our business before I complied with this law. Then, at 49, I was given six weeks to live with a very curable type of cancer. We offered three times the cost of my treatments, which was rejected. They required an insurance card. Thanks to the Affordable Care Act, I'm standing here today alive," Jeans shared with the Speaker and the audience.

"Being both a small business person and someone with pre-existing conditions, I rely on the Affordable Care Act to be able to purchase my own insurance. Why would you repeal the Affordable Care Act without a replacement?" he asked.
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Sorry. I just do not buy all of the man's story. Do I believe he was a republican? Yes. Do I believe he had cancer? Yes. Do I believe he was given 6 weeks to live? I am doubtful. Do I believe Obamacare saved his life? Absolutely not. Do I believe that he was refused treatment despite offering up to three times the cost of the treatments? Absolutely not. Too many details were left out of his story....such as the type of cancer, stage, etc. His story is just too fantastic to take entirely seriously.
 
ObamacareFail said:
If a person is wealthy enough to afford to pay for their own healthcare out of pocket and self insure or go without health insurance, that's fine with me. I do not see that as freeloading. In regards to those who cannot afford to pay for all their own healthcare yet can afford health insurance but choose not to buy coverage. I am okay with that as well as it is no longer cost effective to purchase health insurance. When Obamacare regulations cancelled my policy and the rates for an Obamacare qualified policy skyrocketed, I could not see any value in signing up. Not only would my premiums have cost three times what they cost before Obamacare, the annual deductible is roughly three times what I would normally spend in on healthcare in a given year, with or without health insurance. It would have amounted to nothing more then a prohibitively costly catastrophic policy. What's the point?
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I'm okay as long as hospitals/doctors can say, too bad so sad to an individual when a catastrophic medical event occurs and they can not pay for it because they chose to go w/o coverage.
 
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