Trump-backing congressman says GOP will use budget 'reconciliation' to repeal Obamaca

Jack Hays said:

So . . . humbolt posts facts and you reply with a complaint about a posting detail and your opinions about Repubs. Poor show.

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humbolt said:

I'm not gonna whine about your refusal to acknowledge the truth Vern. I realize it's foreign to you. By all means continue to dribble along with the inconsequential and the untruthful.

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Vern said:

Jack, I just cant believe you pretend not to know that he claimed "mean ole dems locked republicans out of meetings" but posted an unrelated story about not letting republican into empty meeting rooms. Why do you think he should be allowed to dishonestly dance around that instead of acknowledging it?

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MaggieD said:

Oh, I agree. The young and healthy are opting to pay the penalty for noncoverage. The rates are rising exponentially. Putting the entire burden of covering pre-existing conditions on those in the program rather than general revenue is too onerous.

My new motto is Put America First. Before illegal immigrants, before refugees, before foreign aid, before globalization. Let us work to put our own house in order. Obamacare is broken. Let's find a way to fix it.

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Jack Hays said:

Because it has nothing to do with the substance of the debate, on which he thrashed you.

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Vern said:

But humbolt, I've acknowledged you whined that "mean ole dems locked republicans out of meetings" but posted an unrelated story about not letting republican into empty meeting rooms. I've also acknowledged that republicans obstructed the townhalls to prevent any discussion of Obamacare. Oddly, you accuse me of that as you refuse to acknowledge those facts.

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Jack Hays said:

Because it has nothing to do with the substance of the debate, on which he thrashed you.

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Absentglare said:

That comment is dishonest.

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Vern said:

I know asking you to explain your point is a pointless exercise but what debate did he thrash me on? My post to him concerned the fact that he posted "mean ole dems locked republicans out of meetings" but posted an unrelated story about not letting republican into empty meeting rooms. He's going to cowardly avoid that point. You however have often demonstrated an inability to grasp a clear and simply point.

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humbolt said:

I pointed out the truth Vern. Democrats did change locks with the expressed intention of keeping republicans out. That's not whining Vern. It's the truth, and that's seemingly unknown to you.

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Jack Hays said:

His #31 is conclusive.

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humbolt said:

I pointed out the truth Vern. Democrats did change locks with the expressed intention of keeping republicans out. That's not whining Vern. It's the truth, and that's seemingly unknown to you. What we have here Vern, is a multi-post whine from because you can't acknowledge the truth. Not my fault, Vern. That's all on you.

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Vern said:

actually humbolt, its not the truth when you present it as "mean ole dems locked republicans out of meetings." It just tells me you didnt understand it when you first read it and lack the integrity to admit it. And it was pretty whiny.

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bubbabgone said:

You & jack have the patience of a saint.
It pisses trolls off to see their **** ain't working.

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humbolt said:

I dunno. I think I'm going to have a second drink of this fine bourbon here, and go watch football. I can't help it if Vern ate burnt hair and drank vinegar for Thanksgiving.

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humbolt said:

1. The democrats in congress made the ACA legislation without republican input and actively sought to prevent any input from republicans, including locking doors.

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Vern said:

and thats just another lie you believe. You believing that lie is why it was so easy for you to believe the lie you posted about "mean ole dems locked republicans out of meetings." You cant even admit your own link said no such thing.

Why do I need to address the other lies you believe when you cant even admit that?

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humbolt said:

Well here's another truth for you, Vern. When you read something, understand that if it's worth reading, it's worth understanding the meaning behind the words collectively.

1. The democrats in congress made the ACA legislation without republican input and actively sought to prevent any input from republicans, including locking doors. Pelosi herself admitted the process lacked transparency, but you have to understand the import of her words Vern, and not the absolutely literal. It requires thought. I offer that last bit as a reminder to you, since you seem challenged in that regard.

2. The ACA was passed without a single republican vote. The objection then was that the market the legislation created was unsustainable. The results have proved the republicans were correct.

3. The ACA will be repealed by budget reconciliation. Hey. Wasn't that how the ACA was passed in the first place? Yep. Kind of elegant, isn't it?

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humbolt said:

You don't Vern. You don't. I'd prefer that you didn't, but if you want to, go ahead. From my end, if you'll remember the time during one debate when Trump leaned over to the microphone and said "Wrong", you can take that as my response in advance.

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Absentglare said:

That's a bit of a contradiction. You're applauding its merits but declaring it broken without any explanation.

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Carleen said:

It's a shame that republicans refused to take part in the ACA at its inception. Instead they just all said no.

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Vern said:

no jack its not conclusive. Its just your usual attempt to cut and run from a conversation. again, what debate did he "thrash me on" because I've proven his dishonesty concerning the "mean ole dems locked republicans out of meetings"?

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Absentglare said:

1. The ACA was an ideologically republican plan.

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Jack Hays said:

His #38 provides the remedial help you seem to need. Humboldt's victory was comprehensive and final. You should try to show grace in defeat, and withdraw to fight another day. That day is coming. ACA will be repealed (or deeply amended) via reconciliation and that part of the Obama legacy will disappear.

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Vern said:

mmm, that's odd. You can be clear about your beliefs concerning the future of Obamacare but you cant be clear on what you consider I was "thrashed on". The reason its odd is because I didnt ask your opinion concerning the future of Obamacare. I asked about an opinion you expressed when I proved that Humbolt was less than honest when he said "mean ole dems locked republicans out of meetings" and posted a link that said no such thing. So jack, please dont post another deflecting post with random thoughts.

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